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[llbountyhunter]

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

because 7hrs is more than enough. thanks.

No, known indoctrination victims needed DAYS of CONTINUOUS exposure to start loosing their minds

where did you get than from? some have fallen after mere hours. in the comic book introducing TIM, his friend was indoctrinated nearly instantaniously, after touching a reaper artifact.

http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 22 mai 2012 - 03:19 .

[dreman9999]

Vapaä wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Arrial is cannon. and it was decided  the moment Shepard was going to be put on trial that arrival is cannon.

No it's not canon

llbountyhunter wrote...

because 7hrs is more than enough. thanks.

No, known indoctrination victims needed DAYS of CONTINUOUS exposure to start loosing their minds

That's to loss their minds.....Not from reapers to start indoctrination... Remeber the theory is the Shepard is in the prosses of indoctination.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
Kai Lang and Kalheen Sanders in ME3 say otherwize. They use Paul Greysons experiance in ME:retrubution in ME3's plot as well as the books explains how Saren found Sovergin...
The books are cannon because they are mentions in the main plot.

EITHER. 

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Kai Lang and Kalheen Sanders in ME3 say otherwize. They use Paul Greysons experiance in ME:retrubution in ME3's plot as well as the books explains how Saren found Sovergin...
The books are cannon because they are mentions in the main plot.

EITHER. 

What?

[macrocarl]

2 things I'd like to point out: Even sans Arrival, Shep's been around Reaper tech. Some posts have mentioned that yes, he was around Reaper tech but not for very long. I don't recall any evidence/ codex saying that exposure has to be a certain amount for indoctrination to set in.
I also don't recall any mention of any documented indoc gestation periods. Meaning, if Shep was walking around the inside of a Reaper and chillin' at the Collector Base (which is Reaper tech) then what's to say indoc had not set in back in ME2 and was festering while events led up to ME3?

[Vapaa]

llbountyhunter wrote...

where did you get than from? some have fallen after mere hours. in the comic book introducing TIM, his friend was indoctrinated nearly instantaniously, after touching a reaper artifact.

http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination 

That's not indoctrination, that's DNA rewritting, indoctrination is the process of mind controlling someone, not forcing reaper tech into his body

Besides, your link cleary mentions "days perhaps a week"

dreman9999 wrote...

That's to loss their minds.....Not
from reapers to start indoctrination... Remeber the theory is the
Shepard is in the prosses of indoctination.

I know the theory, but the first symptoms of indoctrination came after days of continuous exposure

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Kai Lang and Kalheen Sanders in ME3 say otherwize. They use Paul Greysons experiance in ME:retrubution in ME3's plot as well as the books explains how Saren found Sovergin...
The books are cannon because they are mentions in the main plot.

EITHER. 

What?

You haven't been following what I'm saying, so you failed to register the significance of the word either in that post. 

[draken-heart]

did i mention that THERE ARE MULTIPLE REAPERS=PERHAPS A STRONG ENOUGH SIGNAL TO START INDOCTRINATION IN AM HOUR OR LESS.

though i believe ME2-3 is nothing but a dream of a Shepard on the operating table or dying in space after the normandy destruction.

Modifié par draken-heart, 22 mai 2012 - 03:34 .

[llbountyhunter]

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

where did you get than from? some have fallen after mere hours. in the comic book introducing TIM, his friend was indoctrinated nearly instantaniously, after touching a reaper artifact.

http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination 

That's not indoctrination, that's DNA rewritting, indoctrination is the process of mind controlling someone, not forcing reaper tech into his body

Besides, your link cleary mentions "days perhaps a week"

nope thats rapid indoctrination.

[llbountyhunter]

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

where did you get than from? some have fallen after mere hours. in the comic book introducing TIM, his friend was indoctrinated nearly instantaniously, after touching a reaper artifact.

http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination 

That's not indoctrination, that's DNA rewritting, indoctrination is the process of mind controlling someone, not forcing reaper tech into his body

Besides, your link cleary mentions "days perhaps a week"

dreman9999 wrote...

That's to loss their minds.....Not
from reapers to start indoctrination... Remeber the theory is the
Shepard is in the prosses of indoctination.

I know the theory, but the first symptoms of indoctrination came after days of continuous exposure

*cough* TIM *cough*

also shepards strong will has been mentioned since me1, which held indoctrination at bay (similar to grayson)

[Vapaa]

llbountyhunter wrote...

nope thats rapid indoctrination.

No it's not; indoctrination is brainwasching", not physical alteration

llbountyhunter wrote...

*cough*TIM *cough*

TIM what ?

llbountyhunter wrote...

also shepards strong will has been mentioned since me1, which held indoctrination at bay (similar to grayson)

If Shepard's will is so strong, how could he fall into indoctrination after just hours of exposure, where others took days to fell into it ?

Modifié par Vapaä, 22 mai 2012 - 03:35 .

[dreman9999]

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

nope thats rapid indoctrination.

No it's not; indoctrination is brainwasching", not physical alteration

http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 

Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. 

[macrocarl]

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

where did you get than from? some have fallen after mere hours. in the comic book introducing TIM, his friend was indoctrinated nearly instantaniously, after touching a reaper artifact.

http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination 

That's not indoctrination, that's DNA rewritting, indoctrination is the process of mind controlling someone, not forcing reaper tech into his body

Besides, your link cleary mentions "days perhaps a week"

dreman9999 wrote...

That's to loss their minds.....Not
from reapers to start indoctrination... Remeber the theory is the
Shepard is in the prosses of indoctination.

I know the theory, but the first symptoms of indoctrination came after days of continuous exposure

Ah so there's a mention of time for exposure! Cool! 

'Over days, perhaps a week of exposure to Sovereign's signal' is the
quote. Taht was documented for Sovy not all Reapers.
And Harby is believed to be the oldest of the Reapers so maybe
days is more appropriate if he's stronger? That's speculation, I know, but any
way you cut it, the amount of time it takes to get Shep indoctrinated is
kind of up in the air.

As for TIM's friend getting his DNA rewritten, where was that stated?

[llbountyhunter]

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

nope thats rapid indoctrination.

No it's not; indoctrination is brainwasching", not physical alteration

physical alteration IS considerd indoctrination.

[The Night Mammoth]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

nope thats rapid indoctrination.

No it's not; indoctrination is brainwasching", not physical alteration

physical alteration IS considerd indoctrination.

By? 

[Vapaa]

dreman9999 wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 

Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. 

Yup, does that inclue physical implants inside the victim's body ? no

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Kai Lang and Kalheen Sanders in ME3 say otherwize. They use Paul Greysons experiance in ME:retrubution in ME3's plot as well as the books explains how Saren found Sovergin...
The books are cannon because they are mentions in the main plot.

EITHER. 

What?

You haven't been following what I'm saying, so you failed to register the significance of the word either in that post. 

You just wrote ether. Whatis that sappost to mean. We have book character in ME3 and some how, the books are not cannon?

[llbountyhunter]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

nope thats rapid indoctrination.

No it's not; indoctrination is brainwasching", not physical alteration

physical alteration IS considerd indoctrination.

By? 

me1,2,3.... the me books and comics..... mass effect wiki...... the codex..... 

edit: if you meant "by?" as in "by whom?" then its physical alteration by the reapers.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 22 mai 2012 - 03:40 .

[llbountyhunter]

Vapaä wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 

Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. 

Yup, does that inclue physical implants inside the victim's body ? no

so according to you grayson was not indoctrinated? LOL

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Kai Lang and Kalheen Sanders in ME3 say otherwize. They use Paul Greysons experiance in ME:retrubution in ME3's plot as well as the books explains how Saren found Sovergin...
The books are cannon because they are mentions in the main plot.

EITHER. 

What?

You haven't been following what I'm saying, so you failed to register the significance of the word either in that post. 

You just wrote ether. Whatis that sappost to mean. We have book character in ME3 and some how, the books are not cannon?

You haven't been following what I'm saying, so you failed to register the significance of the word either in the first post you quoted. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 22 mai 2012 - 03:40 .

[dreman9999]

Vapaä wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 

Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. 

Yup, does that inclue physical implants inside the victim's body ? no

That's rapid indovtriantion. Also, note it's not physical or psychological. It's 
physical and psychological...That means both.

[The Night Mammoth]

llbountyhunter wrote...

me1,2,3.... the me books and comics..... mass effect wiki...... the codex..... 

I guess context doesn't matter a jiffy, right? 

Physical alteration in what terms?

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Kai Lang and Kalheen Sanders in ME3 say otherwize. They use Paul Greysons experiance in ME:retrubution in ME3's plot as well as the books explains how Saren found Sovergin...
The books are cannon because they are mentions in the main plot.

EITHER. 

What?

You haven't been following what I'm saying, so you failed to register the significance of the word either in that post. 

You just wrote ether. Whatis that sappost to mean. We have book character in ME3 and some how, the books are not cannon?

You haven't been following what I'm saying, so you failed to register the significance of the word either in the post you quoted. 

How can it be ether when it just is? How can you have book character in the story that refer to the books and the books not be cannon?

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

me1,2,3.... the me books and comics..... mass effect wiki...... the codex..... 

I guess context doesn't matter a jiffy, right? 

Physical alteration in what terms?

http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 
The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions. 

And if you knew what the limbic system does.....The fact that the reapers can control it would scare you. It you entire behavior.
 

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 mai 2012 - 03:43 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Kai Lang and Kalheen Sanders in ME3 say otherwize. They use Paul Greysons experiance in ME:retrubution in ME3's plot as well as the books explains how Saren found Sovergin...
The books are cannon because they are mentions in the main plot.

EITHER. 

What?

You haven't been following what I'm saying, so you failed to register the significance of the word either in that post. 

You just wrote ether. Whatis that sappost to mean. We have book character in ME3 and some how, the books are not cannon?

You haven't been following what I'm saying, so you failed to register the significance of the word either in the post you quoted. 

How can it be ether when it just is? How can you have book character in the story that refer to the books and the books not be cannon?

That's what I'm getting at. You haven't been following what I've been saying before you jumped in without context. 

There is no canon in Mass Effect. There's no one official storyline. All of them have certain fixed events, plot points that remain constant, but that's different from having canon and non-canon. The number of variables prohibit that.