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[draken-heart]

my beef with both sides is that neither will SHUT UP. drop this issue and wait for EC, and if it does not fix it for you, complain.

[Vapaa]

Lookout1390 wrote...

No that isn't 'fact'.

That's a time amount on a person's play-through.

Once again, time passed through a player's perspective.

The problem is, the only relevant time is the minimum one, because for the IT being true, it has to come from a common ground wich is true for EVERY player. If it's variable depending of one player's experience, it's already a flawed argument for a canon-wannabe theory

[known_hero]

IT is just a great way to pass the time until the EC comes out. If it turns out to be true then awesome! If not, then we'll accept the ending for what it is and move on.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

So you're saying that since Shepard's indoc. was never foreshadowed, it gives IT more legitimacy?

[Wabajakka]

ffs people there was Reaper tech on the Normandy, quit arguing.

It could've been the very reason the Normandy was effected by the Crucible blast at all.

[Lookout1390]

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

No that isn't 'fact'.

That's a time amount on a person's play-through.

Once again, time passed through a player's perspective.

The problem is, the only relevant time is the minimum one, because for the IT being true, it has to come from a common ground wich is true for EVERY player. If it's variable depending of one player's experience, it's already a flawed argument for a canon-wannabe theory

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Orange Tee wrote...

ffs people there was Reaper tech on the Normandy, quit arguing.

It could've been the very reason the Normandy was effected by the Crucible blast at all.

The IFF was software, was it not? And there's not a single example of Reaper software being able to indoc. organics.

EDIT: Sorry, freudian slip.

Modifié par Leonardo the Magnificent, 20 mai 2012 - 10:07 .

[JasonSic]

alec1898 wrote...

Riddle me this.

Why give Shepard the ability to destroy the reapers if he in turn breaks their hold on him?

They have to because he isn't completely indoctrinated at that point.

[Wabajakka]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

ffs people there was Reaper tech on the Normandy, quit arguing.

It could've been the very reason the Normandy was effected by the Crucible blast at all.

The FFS was software, was it not? And there's not a single example of Reaper software being able to indoc. organics.

Yes, Reaper technology was installed into the Normandy's systems.

I really don't see how that goes over anyones head.<_<

Modifié par Orange Tee, 20 mai 2012 - 10:10 .

[balance5050]

Vapaä wrote...

Why would she be indoctrinated ? It takes days worth of continuous contact with reaper tech to even START loosing sanity.....

Actually it can happen in an instant.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Orange Tee wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

ffs people there was Reaper tech on the Normandy, quit arguing.

It could've been the very reason the Normandy was effected by the Crucible blast at all.

The FFS was software, was it not? And there's not a single example of Reaper software being able to indoc. organics.

Yes, Reaper technology was installed into the Normandy.

I really don't see how that goes over anyones head.<_<

It wasn't tech, it was a piece of code with a virus on it.

[Vapaa]

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

balance5050 wrote...

Actually it can happen in an instant.

How ?

Modifié par Vapaä, 20 mai 2012 - 10:12 .

[balance5050]

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

You obviously haven't played "The Arrival" which is meant to bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

Also, it says right in the CODEX that "rapid indoctrination" is possible. So please stop speading false hoods.

[Lookout1390]

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

balance5050 wrote...

Actually it can happen in an instant.

How ?

It only takes 1 instance of an indoctrination attempt for it to start.

The cerberus team on the derelict reaper fell to indoctrination incredibly fast, because they were just bathing in it.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

balance5050 wrote...

Actually it can happen in an instant.

How ?

It only takes 1 instance of an indoctrination attempt for it to start.

The cerberus team on the derelict reaper fell to indoctrination incredibly fast, because they were just bathing in it.

It took at least three days for one of them to even get headaches. Try again.

[Aaleel]

Pieces of Sovereign were on the Citadel for a large amount of time but yet no reports of people being indoctrinated, no one betraying the council, nothing. No squadmates have been indoctrinated, no Normandy crew, no one on the itadel outside the Hanar quest.

Obviously indoctrination from reaper tech/exposure is not as easy as it's being made out to be.

Modifié par Aaleel, 20 mai 2012 - 10:18 .

[balance5050]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

balance5050 wrote...

Actually it can happen in an instant.

How ?

It only takes 1 instance of an indoctrination attempt for it to start.

The cerberus team on the derelict reaper fell to indoctrination incredibly fast, because they were just bathing in it.

It took at least three days for one of them to even get headaches. Try again.

TIM's friend Ben...

Jeez am I the Only one that reads the comics written by Mac Walters?

[darkiddd]

alec1898 wrote...

Riddle me this.

Why give Shepard the ability to destroy the reapers if he in turn breaks their hold on him?

Because if they didn't give him a choice then he would realize something is not right. 

Besides this dream is not made by reapers and put into Shepard's head. It's more like the interpretation Shepard's subconscious is doing while he is dreaming and the part of his mind that still resists indoctrination is offering him an exit. Destroy.

[Lookout1390]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

balance5050 wrote...

Actually it can happen in an instant.

How ?

It only takes 1 instance of an indoctrination attempt for it to start.

The cerberus team on the derelict reaper fell to indoctrination incredibly fast, because they were just bathing in it.

It took at least three days for one of them to even get headaches. Try again.

3 days is actually pretty fast compared to others who have fallen to indoctrination.

Swing and a miss.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

balance5050 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

You obviously haven't played "The Arrival" which is meant to bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

Also, it says right in the CODEX that "rapid indoctrination" is possible. So please stop speading false hoods.

Rapid indoc. turns your victim into a mindless thrall, which would really be a lot of effort for nothing if Harby could simply blast Shep to ash. And please stop bringing up Arrival. It's not canon in the majority of games.

[Wabajakka]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

ffs people there was Reaper tech on the Normandy, quit arguing.

It could've been the very reason the Normandy was effected by the Crucible blast at all.

The FFS was software, was it not? And there's not a single example of Reaper software being able to indoc. organics.

Yes, Reaper technology was installed into the Normandy.

I really don't see how that goes over anyones head.<_<

It wasn't tech, it was a piece of code with a virus on it.

Uhh, is software not apart of technology? And was this piece of technology not made by the Reapers?

Anything that gives off a Reaper signal can be used for indoc, this is known, their technology/"artifacts" is what gives of this signal. Saying software is any different is rediculous because their "artifacts" give off a signal, where do you think the signal is made of? Magic? No, stfu, it's tech, easy to assume it's in fact software that creates the signal. Which is why the scientists working on the derilict Reaper were still indoctrinated on a supposedly dead Reaper, it's software was still functioning, giving off a signal.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 20 mai 2012 - 10:20 .

[balance5050]

Aaleel wrote...

Pieces of Sovereign were on the Citadel for a large amount of time but yet no reports of people being indoctrinated, no one betraying the council, nothing. No squadmates have been indoctrinated, no Normandy crew, no one on Earth, no one on the Citadel.

Obviously indoctrination from reaper tech/exposure is not as easy as it's being made out to be.

Actually, Cerberus swooped in and collected Sovereigns remains pretty instantly, this is back when it was just a branch of the Alliance mind you.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

balance5050 wrote...

Actually it can happen in an instant.

How ?

It only takes 1 instance of an indoctrination attempt for it to start.

The cerberus team on the derelict reaper fell to indoctrination incredibly fast, because they were just bathing in it.

It took at least three days for one of them to even get headaches. Try again.

TIM's friend Ben...

Jeez am I the Only one that reads the comics written by Mac Walters?

We're talking about the scientists on the derelict Reaper. And, although I haven't read the comic, wasn't Ben's indoc. the result of coming into contact with an anomolous huskification device?

[Vapaa]

balance5050 wrote...

You obviously haven't played "The Arrival" which is meant to bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

Also, it says right in the CODEX that "rapid indoctrination" is possible. So please stop speading false hoods.

That "rapid indoctrination" still took days of continous exposure, here I'm talking about HOURS, scattered within 3 years

Lookout1390 wrote...

It only takes 1 instance of an indoctrination attempt for it to start.

Every indoctrinated person Shepard met has been CONTINOUSLY exposed for days

Lookout1390 wrote...

The cerberus team on the derelict reaper fell to indoctrination incredibly fast, because they were just bathing in it.

Still in days, and Shepard isn't bathing in any reaper tech

Modifié par Vapaä, 20 mai 2012 - 10:23 .

[balance5050]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

You obviously haven't played "The Arrival" which is meant to bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

Also, it says right in the CODEX that "rapid indoctrination" is possible. So please stop speading false hoods.

Rapid indoc. turns your victim into a mindless thrall, which would really be a lot of effort for nothing if Harby could simply blast Shep to ash. And please stop bringing up Arrival. It's not canon in the majority of games.

Rapid indoc would be perfect because they only need him to misuse the Crucible, rapid indoc would still allow for a few hours of usefulness atleast.

Sorry DLC is canon... Just like Javik and Kasumi and Zaeed.