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[balance5050]

Vapaä wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You obviously haven't played "The Arrival" which is meant to bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

Also, it says right in the CODEX that "rapid indoctrination" is possible. So please stop speading false hoods.

That "rapid indoctrination" still took days of continous exposure, here I'm talking about HOURS

The course of ME3 is takes place over a couple months at least, he was in the vicinity of the reapers in just about every cluster you go to.

And considering that Harbinger can "assume direct control" over the collector's from dark space, distance isn't THAT much of an issue.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Orange Tee wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

ffs people there was Reaper tech on the Normandy, quit arguing.

It could've been the very reason the Normandy was effected by the Crucible blast at all.

The FFS was software, was it not? And there's not a single example of Reaper software being able to indoc. organics.

Yes, Reaper technology was installed into the Normandy.

I really don't see how that goes over anyones head.<_<

It wasn't tech, it was a piece of code with a virus on it.

Uhh, is software not apart of technology? And was this piece of technology not made by the Reapers?

Anything that gives off a Reaper signal can be used for indoc, this is known, their technology/"artifacts" is what gives of this signal. Saying software is any different is rediculous because their "artifacts" give off a signal, where do you think the signal is made of? Magic? No, stfu, it's tech, easy to assume it's in fact software that creates the signal. Which is why the scientists working on the derilict Reaper were still indoctrinated on a supposedly dead Reaper, it's software was still functioning, giving off a signal.

Their tech/artifacts are hardware, not software. The Reaper is hardware, not software. Software cannot emit a signal by itself. It needs Reaper hardware to emit this signal. Do you see any Reaper hardware on the Normandy? Lastly, there is not a single example of Reaper software indoctrinating organics. Seriously, are you being intentionally obtuse?

Modifié par Leonardo the Magnificent, 20 mai 2012 - 10:25 .

[balance5050]

 

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

You obviously haven't played "The Arrival" which is meant to bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

Also, it says right in the CODEX that "rapid indoctrination" is possible. So please stop speading false hoods.

Rapid indoc. turns your victim into a mindless thrall, which would really be a lot of effort for nothing if Harby could simply blast Shep to ash. And please stop bringing up Arrival. It's not canon in the majority of games.

Rapid indoc would be perfect because they only need him to misuse the Crucible, rapid indoc would still allow for a few hours of usefulness atleast.

Sorry DLC is canon... Just like Javik and Kasumi and Zaeed.

[jijeebo]

/facepalm

A lot of the optional content isn't canon... This includes Kasumi and Zaeed.

EDIT: Poor wording.

Modifié par jijeebo, 20 mai 2012 - 10:26 .

[Aaleel]

balance5050 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Pieces of Sovereign were on the Citadel for a large amount of time but yet no reports of people being indoctrinated, no one betraying the council, nothing. No squadmates have been indoctrinated, no Normandy crew, no one on Earth, no one on the Citadel.

Obviously indoctrination from reaper tech/exposure is not as easy as it's being made out to be.

Actually, Cerberus swooped in and collected Sovereigns remains pretty instantly, this is back when it was just a branch of the Alliance mind you.

Uh no.  The Council said they studied Sovereign and it was nothing to suggest that it wasn't a Geth creation.  And Anderson said they gathered what they could but they couldn't account for half of it.  Which means they had a good amount of it.

[BigGuy28]

It doesn't have to make sense! Indoctrination!

Modifié par BigGuy28, 20 mai 2012 - 10:27 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

balance5050 wrote...

 

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But Shepard isn't just a random organic.

He has proven they can be stopped, and goes on to kill a few himself.

So why wouldn't they do what they can to try indoctrination attempts at him/her? Harbinger said it himself, he has interest in Shepard.

And it only takes one attempt of indoctrination for it to start recurring off and on, and we are saying there have been numerous times where you have been in a situation where this could take place. So why not?

Other than plot-armor, I don't see what makes Shepard so special.

Why isn't Shepard indoctrinated  ? because he hasn't been exposed by more than a few hours in 3 years, where it requires days of continuous exposure, that's why

You obviously haven't played "The Arrival" which is meant to bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

Also, it says right in the CODEX that "rapid indoctrination" is possible. So please stop speading false hoods.

Rapid indoc. turns your victim into a mindless thrall, which would really be a lot of effort for nothing if Harby could simply blast Shep to ash. And please stop bringing up Arrival. It's not canon in the majority of games.

Rapid indoc would be perfect because they only need him to misuse the Crucible, rapid indoc would still allow for a few hours of usefulness atleast.

Sorry DLC is canon... Just like Javik and Kasumi and Zaeed.

Then why not use TIM? If they need an indoctrinated thrall, they've already got one in position.

And Javik certainly isn't canon in my game. No one's aware of his existance.

[Wabajakka]

jijeebo wrote...

/facepalm

Optional content isn't canon... This includes Kasumi and Zaeed.

You honestly need to go see what BW said about Arrival being canon then my friend. It's a segway between ME2 and ME3, they said it themselves.

[balance5050]

Sorry, the air suddenly got real stupid so I'm off.

[estebanus]

If the goddamn lead writer, project director and countless other people who worked on ME3 say that Arrival happened, then it happened. No matter if there is an EMS update or not, Shepard did it.

If you didn't play arrival, then you technically aren't playing a canon playthrough.

Modifié par estebanus, 20 mai 2012 - 10:28 .

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

Sorry, the air suddenly got real stupid so I'm off.

How incredibly mature. <_<

[Lookout1390]

Vapaä wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You obviously haven't played "The Arrival" which is meant to bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

Also, it says right in the CODEX that "rapid indoctrination" is possible. So please stop speading false hoods.

That "rapid indoctrination" still took days of continous exposure, here I'm talking about HOURS, scattered within 3 years

Lookout1390 wrote...

It only takes 1 instance of an indoctrination attempt for it to start.

Every indoctrinated person Shepard met has been CONTINOUSLY exposed for days

Lookout1390 wrote...

The cerberus team on the derelict reaper fell to indoctrination incredibly fast, because they were just bathing in it.

Still in days, and Shepard isn't bathing in any reaper tech

Exactly...since they were around it much longer, they fell it to even faster. The fact that the indoctrination attempt isn't near as potent as theres, is because Shepard isn't completely submerged in reaper tech, but still has spent a great deal of time around it.

Object Rho sent out a shockwave and hitting him wide out in the open, so he got a full dose of it, he wasn't going to get indoctrinated there and then or in a little while, he is more resistant to it, not completely immune to it.

A few Cerberus lackies don't share the same willpower as a battle-hardened soldier like Shepard, so yeah it makes sense why they fell so quickly.

And you know, being the only real hope at 'stopping' the reapers and doing a desperate charge at a beam while everyone is slaughtered around you, and then eventually getting hit yourself, is a pretty good way to dampen spirits.

The perfect time to make another attempt.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Orange Tee wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

/facepalm

Optional content isn't canon... This includes Kasumi and Zaeed.

You honestly need to go see what BW said about Arrival being canon then my friend. It's a segway between ME2 and ME3, they said it themselves.

It doesn't matter what they say, it's not always canon in the game. Which means they deliberately went out of their way to design a scenario where Shep was never exposed to object Rho.

[Vapaa]

balance5050 wrote...

The course of ME3 is takes place over a couple months at least, he was in the vicinity of the reapers in just about every cluster you go to.

All cases of indoctrination have been done with immediate proximity of reaper tech, "ranged indoctrination" have yet to be seen

balance5050 wrote...

And considering that Harbinger can "assume direct control" over the collector's from dark space, distance isn't THAT much of an issue.

Collector are slave mooks specifically designed to be possessed by their "master", breaking into an human mind (especially as strong as the IT suggests) requires a lot more ressources

[jijeebo]

If you don't play Arrival the game creates an alternative scenario and storyline where Shepard was NOTHING to do with it.

If Arrival was canon the devs would just write it in that Shep did it between ME2 and ME3. But they didn't so it ain't canon.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

estebanus wrote...

If the goddamn lead writer, project director and countless other people who worked on ME3 say that Arrival happened, then it happened. No matter if there is an EMS update or not, Shepard did it.

If you didn't play arrival, then you technically aren't playing a canon playthrough.

Arrival sure as heck happened, but it's not canon that Shep makes it happen. Is it that hard to understand?

[Aaleel]

Orange Tee wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

/facepalm

Optional content isn't canon... This includes Kasumi and Zaeed.

You honestly need to go see what BW said about Arrival being canon then my friend. It's a segway between ME2 and ME3, they said it themselves.

Arrival happening is canon.  Shepard being the one sending the asteroid into the relay is not.  If Shepard didn't do it, Hackett sent in Commandos to do it. 

[Xellith]

alec1898 wrote...

Riddle me this.

Why give Shepard the ability to destroy the reapers if he in turn breaks their hold on him?

The crucible supposedly gave the catalyst new possibilities. Its possible that the crucible made it so that all options had to be presented.  It doesnt mean that the catalyst isnt able to influence which option you pick.  Its also possible that all 3 are traps though I dont believe this to be the case. 

Speculation

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

If you don't play Arrival the game creates an alternative scenario and storyline where Shepard was NOTHING to do with it.

If Arrival was canon the devs would just write it in that Shep did it between ME2 and ME3. But they didn't so it ain't canon.

So then the alternate scenario for people that did play everything is that Shepard recognizes he was indoctrinated, your SHepard goes and dance with the reapers or some such nonsense.

[estebanus]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If the goddamn lead writer, project director and countless other people who worked on ME3 say that Arrival happened, then it happened. No matter if there is an EMS update or not, Shepard did it.

If you didn't play arrival, then you technically aren't playing a canon playthrough.

Arrival sure as heck happened, but it's not canon that Shep makes it happen. Is it that hard to understand?

*facepalm*

It is canon that Shepard blew up the alpha relay! The lead writer, project director and several other people already said this! Regardless if you did it or not, it is ABSOLUTE canon that Shepard did it!

[balance5050]

Aaleel wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

/facepalm

Optional content isn't canon... This includes Kasumi and Zaeed.

You honestly need to go see what BW said about Arrival being canon then my friend. It's a segway between ME2 and ME3, they said it themselves.

Arrival happening is canon.  Shepard being the one sending the asteroid into the relay is not.  If Shepard didn't do it, Hackett sent in Commandos to do it. 

Which actually lowers your EMS if you don't do arrival, holding you farther back from the "Shepard Alive" ultimate ending.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

If you don't play Arrival the game creates an alternative scenario and storyline where Shepard was NOTHING to do with it.

If Arrival was canon the devs would just write it in that Shep did it between ME2 and ME3. But they didn't so it ain't canon.

So then the alternate scenario for people that did play everything is that Shepard recognizes he was indoctrinated, your SHepard goes and dance with the reapers or some such nonsense.

I thought you were leaving. <_<


I don't see why Shepard interacting with Object Rho not being canon is so hard to understand.

[Wabajakka]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

/facepalm

Optional content isn't canon... This includes Kasumi and Zaeed.

You honestly need to go see what BW said about Arrival being canon then my friend. It's a segway between ME2 and ME3, they said it themselves.

It doesn't matter what they say, it's not always canon in the game. Which means they deliberately went out of their way to design a scenario where Shep was never exposed to object Rho.

It doesn't matter the creators of the game say what is truly canon to the story? I'm sorry. No. Someone creates a story, then creates a new chapter to that story and says it's what happens next. That's that.

They did not go out of their way to create a scenario where Shepard didn't do Arrival, it's not difficult to do, but due to the nature of Mass Effects story telling they did need to make an excuse if the player didn't buy the DLC, it wouldn't be fair to to do that to the player.

They also have other reasons for Sheps indoc even if the player didn't do it, they have a way around it. (the IFF is a perfect example, you still haven't been able to deny that in my post earlier)

In fact here was the ****ing slogan for the DLC, honestly, stfu. I'm out.

Don’t miss out on the final chapter of Mass Effect 2!

Arrival hits March 29th!

Modifié par Orange Tee, 20 mai 2012 - 10:37 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

estebanus wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If the goddamn lead writer, project director and countless other people who worked on ME3 say that Arrival happened, then it happened. No matter if there is an EMS update or not, Shepard did it.

If you didn't play arrival, then you technically aren't playing a canon playthrough.

Arrival sure as heck happened, but it's not canon that Shep makes it happen. Is it that hard to understand?

*facepalm*

It is canon that Shepard blew up the alpha relay! The lead writer, project director and several other people already said this! Regardless if you did it or not, it is ABSOLUTE canon that Shepard did it!

My god, there's an instance in-game where it's not canon. That's as definitive as it getes! I don't care what all of those people said out-of-game, it contradicts what happened in-game, which is the deciding factor for the lore.

[balance5050]

Just because you didn't play something that I did doesn't mean it wasn't Canon.

Bioware themselves say it was because "THEY DESIGNED IT".

It was your choice to not play Arrival just like it was your choice to recruit Wrex in ME1.