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[estebanus]

I'm out. This is absolutely useless.

[Vapaa]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Exactly...since they were around it much longer, they fell it to even faster. The fact that the indoctrination attempt isn't near as potent as theres, is because Shepard isn't completely submerged in reaper tech, but still has spent a great deal of time around it.

No, a mere hours in 3 years as I said

Lookout1390 wrote...

Object Rho sent out a shockwave and hitting him wide out in the open, so he got a full dose of it, he wasn't going to get indoctrinated there and then or in a little while, he is more resistant to it, not completely immune to it.

Arrival. is. not. canon.

Lookout1390 wrote...
A few Cerberus lackies don't share the same willpower as a battle-hardened soldier like Shepard, so yeah it makes sense why they fell so quickly.

They also have raw reaper tech inside their bodies

Lookout1390 wrote...

And you know, being the only real hope at 'stopping' the reapers and doing a desperate charge at a beam while everyone is slaughtered around you, and then eventually getting hit yourself, is a pretty good way to dampen spirits.

Yes, this is the only time I'd buy Shepard's indoctrination: mental defenses down+immediate priximity of Harbinger
Otherwise, no

[balance5050]

Your Shepard was being a ppuss while mine halted the reapers further and was making the tough calls.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Orange Tee wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

/facepalm

Optional content isn't canon... This includes Kasumi and Zaeed.

You honestly need to go see what BW said about Arrival being canon then my friend. It's a segway between ME2 and ME3, they said it themselves.

It doesn't matter what they say, it's not always canon in the game. Which means they deliberately went out of their way to design a scenario where Shep was never exposed to object Rho.

It doesn't matter the creators of the game say what is truly canon to the story? I'm sorry. No. Someone creates a story, then creates a new chapter to that story and says it's what happens next. That's that.

They did not go out of their way to create a scenario where Shepard didn't do Arrival, it's not difficult to do, but due to the nature of Mass Effects story telling they did need to make an excuse if the player didn't buy the DLC, it wouldn't be fair to to do that to the player.

They also have other reasons for Sheps indoc even if the player didn't do it, they have a way around it. (the IFF is a perfect example, you still haven't been able to deny that in my post earlier)

In fact here was the ****ing slogan for the DLC, honestly, stfu. I'm out.

Don’t miss out on the final chapter of Mass Effect 2!

Arrival hits March 29th!

I believe you missed my refute, then:

Their tech/artifacts are hardware, not software. The Reaper is
hardware, not software. Software cannot emit a signal by itself. It
needs Reaper hardware to emit this signal. Do you see any Reaper
hardware on the Normandy? Lastly, there is not a single example of
Reaper software indoctrinating organics. Seriously, are you being
intentionally obtuse?

[Aaleel]

balance5050 wrote...

Just because you didn't play something that I did doesn't mean it wasn't Canon.

Bioware themselves say it was because "THEY DESIGNED IT".

It was your choice to not play Arrival just like it was your choice to recruit Wrex in ME1.

When the game makes up and alternate series of events that you didn't do it, it's not canon.  Just like Liara becoming SB is canon, but Shepard helping her do it not.  If you didn't help her she finds a way on her own.

Bioware could have easily made Arrival canon in the game since 300,000 Batarians die no matter what.  They could have just said you you killed 300,000 Batarians and never went into whether you tried to warn them or not, but they didn't.  They chose to write another set of events, so Shepard being around Rho is not canon, only the relay being taken out by an asteroid.

Modifié par Aaleel, 20 mai 2012 - 10:40 .

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

Just because you didn't play something that I did doesn't mean it wasn't Canon.

Bioware themselves say it was because "THEY DESIGNED IT".

It was your choice to not play Arrival just like it was your choice to recruit Wrex in ME1.

/facepalm

[balance5050]

My Shepard saved everyone while you left Zaeed to fend for himself, Wrex died long ago for you, You don't even know Kasumi!! Javik lays unconscious never to awake.

Your "canon" Shepard is a pitiful shell of a man, my Shepard is a hero.

[Dean_the_Young]

Jawsomebob wrote...

Explain to me this?

In 3 games Bioware never even gets into the topic of "Shepard" being indoctornated. People around him go to the reaper side but the game never even goes in a direction where it even CONSIDERS shepard even ebing partially indoctrianated.

Why is that?

Why is shepard excluded from indoctronation. He isn't. Do you really think Bioware would end the series without Shepard and why he is able to resist indoctronation being addressed.

Liara, the doctor, joker, anderson...no one ever goes "hey shepard I have been thinking. I am suprised you are unable to be indoctronated. Are you that strong willed? That's amazing!"

The ending addresses this.

Shepard has never had to justify being able to resist indoctrination because Shepard has never been under the effects of indoctrination. Shepard has never had waking-visions and halucinations, voices in the head while awake, professed empathy or understanding/admiration for Reaper ideals, or seen the resolution waver.

Shepard has never been under prolonged exposure to Reaper indoctrination either: the only opportunity was at Arrival, but for their own (plot) reasons the Reapers wanted Shepard's mind and body intact.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Just because you didn't play something that I did doesn't mean it wasn't Canon.

Bioware themselves say it was because "THEY DESIGNED IT".

It was your choice to not play Arrival just like it was your choice to recruit Wrex in ME1.

/facepalm

That thread I made awhile back was absolutely pointless, wasn't it?

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

balance5050 wrote...

My Shepard saved everyone while you left Zaeed to fend for himself, Wrex died long ago for you, You don't even know Kasumi!! Javik lays unconscious never to awake.

Your "canon" Shepard is a pitiful shell of a man, my Shepard is a hero.

Actually, my canon Shep saved Wrex, but that's aside the point.

[balance5050]

Aaleel wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Just because you didn't play something that I did doesn't mean it wasn't Canon.

Bioware themselves say it was because "THEY DESIGNED IT".

It was your choice to not play Arrival just like it was your choice to recruit Wrex in ME1.

When the game makes up and alternate series of events that you didn't do it, it's not canon.  Just like Liara becoming SB is canon, but Shepard helping her do it not.  If you didn't help her she finds a way on her own.

Bioware could have easily made Arrival canon in the game since 300,000 Batarians die no matter what.  They could have just said you you killed 300,000 Batarians and never went into whether you tried to warn them or not, but they didn't.  They chose to write another set of events, so Shepard being around Rho is not canon, only the relay being taken out by an asteroid.

You realize that you can go into ME3 with everyone dead from ME2 right, the "alternate" outcome is four squaddies and only the priority missions, that is pitiful. It's from a pitiful sour sad playthrough and it's not canon. 

[Xellith]

The player makes their own canon. But for the benifit of this discussion. The devs would have to be limited in their plot. Meaning it cant be true for some but not true for others that object Rho did something to shep causing his current mental decline.

It would have to be something else. More likely than not it was the accumilative effect of being around reaper tech.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

My Shepard saved everyone while you left Zaeed to fend for himself, Wrex died long ago for you, You don't even know Kasumi!! Javik lays unconscious never to awake.

Your "canon" Shepard is a pitiful shell of a man, my Shepard is a hero.

My Shepard did everything other than Arrival, so he is more of a hero than yours because he is less indoctrinated by your logic.

[balance5050]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My Shepard saved everyone while you left Zaeed to fend for himself, Wrex died long ago for you, You don't even know Kasumi!! Javik lays unconscious never to awake.

Your "canon" Shepard is a pitiful shell of a man, my Shepard is a hero.

Actually, my canon Shep saved Wrex, but that's aside the point.

DERP!

No it's not because the game makes up an alternate dialogue if he died, there is no canon, so its all fair game if it comes from bioware.

[Aaleel]

balance5050 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Just because you didn't play something that I did doesn't mean it wasn't Canon.

Bioware themselves say it was because "THEY DESIGNED IT".

It was your choice to not play Arrival just like it was your choice to recruit Wrex in ME1.

When the game makes up and alternate series of events that you didn't do it, it's not canon.  Just like Liara becoming SB is canon, but Shepard helping her do it not.  If you didn't help her she finds a way on her own.

Bioware could have easily made Arrival canon in the game since 300,000 Batarians die no matter what.  They could have just said you you killed 300,000 Batarians and never went into whether you tried to warn them or not, but they didn't.  They chose to write another set of events, so Shepard being around Rho is not canon, only the relay being taken out by an asteroid.

You realize that you can go into ME3 with everyone dead from ME2 right, the "alternate" outcome is four squaddies and only the priority missions, that is pitiful. It's from a pitiful sour sad playthrough and it's not canon. 

Well technically two people have to survive to be able to import into ME3.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Just because you didn't play something that I did doesn't mean it wasn't Canon.

Bioware themselves say it was because "THEY DESIGNED IT".

It was your choice to not play Arrival just like it was your choice to recruit Wrex in ME1.

When the game makes up and alternate series of events that you didn't do it, it's not canon.  Just like Liara becoming SB is canon, but Shepard helping her do it not.  If you didn't help her she finds a way on her own.

Bioware could have easily made Arrival canon in the game since 300,000 Batarians die no matter what.  They could have just said you you killed 300,000 Batarians and never went into whether you tried to warn them or not, but they didn't.  They chose to write another set of events, so Shepard being around Rho is not canon, only the relay being taken out by an asteroid.

You realize that you can go into ME3 with everyone dead from ME2 right, the "alternate" outcome is four squaddies and only the priority missions, that is pitiful. It's from a pitiful sour sad playthrough and it's not canon. 

There is no such thing as a canon playthrough, and a lot of the N7 missions still happen with different people taking the place of the dead squaddies.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My Shepard saved everyone while you left Zaeed to fend for himself, Wrex died long ago for you, You don't even know Kasumi!! Javik lays unconscious never to awake.

Your "canon" Shepard is a pitiful shell of a man, my Shepard is a hero.

Actually, my canon Shep saved Wrex, but that's aside the point.

DERP!

No it's not because the game makes up an alternate dialogue if he died, there is no canon, so its all fair game if it comes from bioware.

Key word: my. IT, however, is everyone's canon, so it must be based off of events that happen in every possible playthrough.

[jtav]

Arrival is *not* canon. I loaded up an action mode default. Shepard had nothing to do with Arrival there. If it was canon, it would have been mentioned in that scenario for the benefit of new players. The relay blowing up is canon. Shepard doing so is not. Game trumps months-old dev statement.

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

There is no such thing as a canon playthrough, and a lot of the N7 missions still happen with different people taking the place of the dead squaddies.

Exactly, so if there is no such thing as canon, then all evidense should be accounted for, thank you and goodnight.

[balance5050]

jtav wrote...

Arrival is *not* canon. I loaded up an action mode default. Shepard had nothing to do with Arrival there. If it was canon, it would have been mentioned in that scenario for the benefit of new players. The relay blowing up is canon. Shepard doing so is not. Game trumps months-old dev statement.

Right, because noobs would be anaware of the indoctrination and should be easy to fool, just like you guys.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

There is no such thing as a canon playthrough, and a lot of the N7 missions still happen with different people taking the place of the dead squaddies.

Exactly, so if there is no such thing as canon, then all evidense should be accounted for, thank you and goodnight.

You're actually just trolling now... I've seen enough of your posts to know you're not this dense.

[Vapaa]

jijeebo wrote...

There is no such thing as a canon playthrough, and a lot of the N7 missions still happen with different people taking the place of the dead squaddies.

Yup, there are only canon evenements; Tali and Liara serving in the Normandy SR-1 are a given, Wrex and Garrus aren't

It's quite simple actually: if something can vary from one playthrough to an other, it isn't canon; so for Kasumi, Zaeed, and Javik; their existence is canon, their time aboard the Normandy isn't

Modifié par Vapaä, 20 mai 2012 - 10:52 .

[balance5050]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My Shepard saved everyone while you left Zaeed to fend for himself, Wrex died long ago for you, You don't even know Kasumi!! Javik lays unconscious never to awake.

Your "canon" Shepard is a pitiful shell of a man, my Shepard is a hero.

Actually, my canon Shep saved Wrex, but that's aside the point.

DERP!

No it's not because the game makes up an alternate dialogue if he died, there is no canon, so its all fair game if it comes from bioware.

Key word: my. IT, however, is everyone's canon, so it must be based off of events that happen in every possible playthrough.

Right, so don't interject when people say they played The Arrival. you just sound like you're trying to be ignorant of the game because you are addicted to hating Bioware.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My Shepard saved everyone while you left Zaeed to fend for himself, Wrex died long ago for you, You don't even know Kasumi!! Javik lays unconscious never to awake.

Your "canon" Shepard is a pitiful shell of a man, my Shepard is a hero.

Actually, my canon Shep saved Wrex, but that's aside the point.

DERP!

No it's not because the game makes up an alternate dialogue if he died, there is no canon, so its all fair game if it comes from bioware.

Key word: my. IT, however, is everyone's canon, so it must be based off of events that happen in every possible playthrough.

Right, so don't interject when people say they played The Arrival. you just sound like you're trying to be ignorant of the game because you are addicted to hating Bioware.

And you're being equally ignorant in your love for Bioware when you say Arrival is conclusively canon. Pot, meet kettle.

[UrgentArchengel]

Some of the Anti-IT's believe he is immune. And apperantly they forgot that the apperance of multiple Reapers boosts the Indoc. signal with every arrival. And Arrival, that's not canon. Believe what you want, but at least back yourself up with something accountable, instead of twisting things, and over analyzing things. You claim bioware just isn't that good at detail, and you want details; IT is a story mechanic, don't expect us to answer the oh so important "how long he was around reaper tech?" argument. The proof is in the pudding, and there's lots of pudding in the IT threads.