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[OH-UP-THIS!]

[quote]Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

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Then why not use TIM? If they need an indoctrinated thrall, they've already got one in position.

And Javik certainly isn't canon in my game. No one's aware of his existance.

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Because..............TIM is PART of the hallucination!

Illusions CANNOT become real/do real influences, just mind manipulations.

Do not bring up other movie/story tripe, as that's not part of ME.

[UrgentArchengel]

In addition. Arrival was considered canon. Comics and novels are canon, and in Conviction, it was the reason Shepard was arrested. The only reason it isn't canon anymore is because too many people whined about there Shepard blowing up a Batarian system. Did you ever think that was the point? It's not about what you want. You (Shepard) are dropped into a situation where the ultimate evil is on our door step and the minutes are quite literally counting down. It's not Renegade, your Shepard can try to get the systems to evacuate, but of course that doesn't happen. It's Shepard's greatest failure, after failing to save Kaiden/Ashley. Your not supposed to like it. Your supposed to deal with it, cope with inadvertently killing millions. That's why your on Earth, and the whining is probably why there was no trial.

[hoodaticus]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

In addition. Arrival was considered canon. Comics and novels are canon, and in Conviction, it was the reason Shepard was arrested. The only reason it isn't canon anymore is because too many people whined about there Shepard blowing up a Batarian system. Did you ever think that was the point? It's not about what you want. You (Shepard) are dropped into a situation where the ultimate evil is on our door step and the minutes are quite literally counting down. It's not Renegade, your Shepard can try to get the systems to evacuate, but of course that doesn't happen. It's Shepard's greatest failure, after failing to save Kaiden/Ashley. Your not supposed to like it. Your supposed to deal with it, cope with inadvertently killing millions. That's why your on Earth, and the whining is probably why there was no trial.

All of this.

[jijeebo]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

In addition. Arrival was considered canon. Comics and novels are canon, and in Conviction, it was the reason Shepard was arrested. The only reason it isn't canon anymore is because too many people whined about there Shepard blowing up a Batarian system. Did you ever think that was the point? It's not about what you want. You (Shepard) are dropped into a situation where the ultimate evil is on our door step and the minutes are quite literally counting down. It's not Renegade, your Shepard can try to get the systems to evacuate, but of course that doesn't happen. It's Shepard's greatest failure, after failing to save Kaiden/Ashley. Your not supposed to like it. Your supposed to deal with it, cope with inadvertently killing millions. That's why your on Earth, and the whining is probably why there was no trial.

I enjoyed Arrival when I played it. I wasn't an active forumer then though so I am unaware of any whining that occured.

If said whining was the reason behind the trial being removed and Arrival being de-canonised, then it's a shame Bioware didn't find their artistic integrity sooner.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Vapaä wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The course of ME3 is takes place over a couple months at least, he was in the vicinity of the reapers in just about every cluster you go to.

All cases of indoctrination have been done with immediate proximity of reaper tech, "ranged indoctrination" have yet to be seen

balance5050 wrote...

And considering that Harbinger can "assume direct control" over the collector's from dark space, distance isn't THAT much of an issue.

Collector are slave mooks specifically designed to be possessed by their "master", breaking into an human mind (especially as strong as the IT suggests) requires a lot more ressources

hardly, just being in the vicinity of reaper tech, causes individuals to fall under the indoctrination "spell".

Scientists on the 'dead' reaper, were indoc'd in a few hours, starting with the first few hours, having suspicions of being watched.

It's all subjective anyhow, the individuals' own perceptions are suspect because, nobody has been able to study the effects, without themselves being influenced by the TECH.

MAKING SENSE??

[OH-UP-THIS!]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

If you don't play Arrival the game creates an alternative scenario and storyline where Shepard was NOTHING to do with it.

If Arrival was canon the devs would just write it in that Shep did it between ME2 and ME3. But they didn't so it ain't canon.

So then the alternate scenario for people that did play everything is that Shepard recognizes he was indoctrinated, your SHepard goes and dance with the reapers or some such nonsense.

I don't see why Shepard interacting with Object Rho not being canon is so hard to understand.

Simply because it is Canon.

Irregardless of your personal opinion on the matter, IT IS CANON!!

[LadySayuri]

Vapaä wrote...

Why would she be indoctrinated ? It takes days worth of continuous contact with reaper tech to even START loosing sanity.....

In Arrival, Shepard was asleep in the Project Base for two whole days, very near the artifact that indoctrinated Kenson.

From Dr. Amanda Kenson wiki: "There is just over two days until the Reapers arrive, and then takes Shepard to the artifact, they called Object Rho...Kenson's eyes are seen glowing, implying that she was implanted with
Reaper technology, enabling her to act as their emissary. Kenson orders
Shepard to be sedated until the Reapers' arrival, but about an hour and a
half before they arrive Shepard manages to wake up"

[TheDeadGodsDream]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

You were hit with a Reaper device out in the open in The Arrival.

That isn't canon

You've been around countless indoctrinated people, you've been inside a Reaper.

Indoctrinated people dont indoctrinate other people

Shepard has spent an awful lot of time being around Reaper tech/devices.

Just 1 hour, split between the derelict reaper and the human reaper, that's it

1. Yes it is

2. Yes they can, go back and play ME1

3. [Citation Needed]

Wait, are you talking about Benezia, because that is certainly not valid evidence at all. We can infer that because Benezia has been in Sovereign (cutscene after eden prime) that she has probably spent a lot of time in Sovereign, just as much as Saren probably. The game directly states that it was Sovereign doing the indoc, not Saren.

[KingZayd]

hoodaticus wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

In addition. Arrival was considered canon. Comics and novels are canon, and in Conviction, it was the reason Shepard was arrested. The only reason it isn't canon anymore is because too many people whined about there Shepard blowing up a Batarian system. Did you ever think that was the point? It's not about what you want. You (Shepard) are dropped into a situation where the ultimate evil is on our door step and the minutes are quite literally counting down. It's not Renegade, your Shepard can try to get the systems to evacuate, but of course that doesn't happen. It's Shepard's greatest failure, after failing to save Kaiden/Ashley. Your not supposed to like it. Your supposed to deal with it, cope with inadvertently killing millions. That's why your on Earth, and the whining is probably why there was no trial.

All of this.

 brilliant post.

also, there's no explanation for those Shepards that have done Arrival to be mysteriously immune to indoctrination. ALL of the other people knocked unconscious by those artifacts have ended up indoctrinated. 

[jijeebo]

ohupthis wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

If you don't play Arrival the game creates an alternative scenario and storyline where Shepard was NOTHING to do with it.

If Arrival was canon the devs would just write it in that Shep did it between ME2 and ME3. But they didn't so it ain't canon.

So then the alternate scenario for people that did play everything is that Shepard recognizes he was indoctrinated, your SHepard goes and dance with the reapers or some such nonsense.

I don't see why Shepard interacting with Object Rho not being canon is so hard to understand.

Simply because it is Canon.

Irregardless of your personal opinion on the matter, IT IS CANON!!

EDIT: Soz for image being all codey.

But it was a facepalm... An EPIC facepalm.

Modifié par jijeebo, 20 mai 2012 - 11:37 .

[Rockstarblunt]

Anti-IT people can't explain this: even if IT is true or not.

Simply put,

When Shepard was shot in his side, bleeding profusely and passes out dead (who knows) on that magical elevator platform, he wakes up, stands up as if nothing happens and begins having a full conversation and walking around.

If you just passed out from bleeding out, you DON'T get better, you only get worse.

So what are Anti-IT using for this? Because No one can explain this most important event. Only dream/IT could, just saying.

[jijeebo]

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Anti-IT people can't explain this: even if IT is true or not.

Simply put,

When Shepard was shot in his side, bleeding profusely and passes out dead (who knows) on that magical elevator platform, he wakes up, stands up as if nothing happens and begins having a full conversation and walking around.

If you just passed out from bleeding out, you DON'T get better, you only get worse.

So what are Anti-IT using for this? Because No one can explain this most important event. Only dream/IT could, just saying.

A deadly combination of bad writing and adrenaline.

[Rockstarblunt]

jijeebo wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Anti-IT people can't explain this: even if IT is true or not.

Simply put,

When Shepard was shot in his side, bleeding profusely and passes out dead (who knows) on that magical elevator platform, he wakes up, stands up as if nothing happens and begins having a full conversation and walking around.

If you just passed out from bleeding out, you DON'T get better, you only get worse.

So what are Anti-IT using for this? Because No one can explain this most important event. Only dream/IT could, just saying.

A deadly combination of bad writing and adrenaline.

Thats a big leap. Even Bioware knows not to create a plot hole that big

[OH-UP-THIS!]

jijeebo wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Anti-IT people can't explain this: even if IT is true or not.

Simply put,

When Shepard was shot in his side, bleeding profusely and passes out dead (who knows) on that magical elevator platform, he wakes up, stands up as if nothing happens and begins having a full conversation and walking around.

If you just passed out from bleeding out, you DON'T get better, you only get worse.

So what are Anti-IT using for this? Because No one can explain this most important event. Only dream/IT could, just saying.

A deadly combination of bad writing and adrenaline.

uh huh, whatever.

[Peytl]

Anti-IT don't need to explain BW sloppy writing, do they?

[Clayless]

Pretty sure with IT Shepard would have to be super ultra special, not the other way around.

[Aaleel]

Rockstarblunt wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Anti-IT people can't explain this: even if IT is true or not.

Simply put,

When Shepard was shot in his side, bleeding profusely and passes out dead (who knows) on that magical elevator platform, he wakes up, stands up as if nothing happens and begins having a full conversation and walking around.

If you just passed out from bleeding out, you DON'T get better, you only get worse.

So what are Anti-IT using for this? Because No one can explain this most important event. Only dream/IT could, just saying.

A deadly combination of bad writing and adrenaline.

Thats a big leap. Even Bioware knows not to create a plot hole that big

These are the same people who allowed a dead character to come back in an expansion and told gamers if you don't mind hand waving the story we don't either.

[Vapaa]

ohupthis wrote...

Scientists on the 'dead' reaper, were indoc'd in a few hours, starting with the first few hours, having suspicions of being watched.

Few hours ? One of the scientists start having hallucinations after three days with headache

LadySayuri wrote...

In Arrival, Shepard was asleep in the Project Base for two whole days, very near the artifact that indoctrinated Kenson.

Arrival is not canon

[jijeebo]

Rockstarblunt wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Anti-IT people can't explain this: even if IT is true or not.

Simply put,

When Shepard was shot in his side, bleeding profusely and passes out dead (who knows) on that magical elevator platform, he wakes up, stands up as if nothing happens and begins having a full conversation and walking around.

If you just passed out from bleeding out, you DON'T get better, you only get worse.

So what are Anti-IT using for this? Because No one can explain this most important event. Only dream/IT could, just saying.

A deadly combination of bad writing and adrenaline.

Thats a big leap. Even Bioware knows not to create a plot hole that big

Not as a big a leap as saying he must have dreamt it all.

[Atakuma]

Rockstarblunt wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Anti-IT people can't explain this: even if IT is true or not.

Simply put,

When Shepard was shot in his side, bleeding profusely and passes out dead (who knows) on that magical elevator platform, he wakes up, stands up as if nothing happens and begins having a full conversation and walking around.

If you just passed out from bleeding out, you DON'T get better, you only get worse.

So what are Anti-IT using for this? Because No one can explain this most important event. Only dream/IT could, just saying.

A deadly combination of bad writing and adrenaline.

Thats a big leap. Even Bioware knows not to create a plot hole that big

You mean like having every single combat capable person leave the normandy in a small shuttle at the same time, for absolutely no reason? Yeah Bioware would never let something like that slide.

Modifié par Atakuma, 20 mai 2012 - 11:47 .

[KingZayd]

Vapaä wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

Scientists on the 'dead' reaper, were indoc'd in a few hours, starting with the first few hours, having suspicions of being watched.

Few hours ? One of the scientists start having hallucinations after three days with headache

LadySayuri wrote...

In Arrival, Shepard was asleep in the Project Base for two whole days, very near the artifact that indoctrinated Kenson.

Arrival is not canon

And why would Shepards not doing Arrival be more canon than Shepards doing Arrival?

[KingZayd]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Pretty sure with IT Shepard would have to be super ultra special, not the other way around.

not really.

[Seboist]

Atakuma wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Anti-IT people can't explain this: even if IT is true or not.

Simply put,

When Shepard was shot in his side, bleeding profusely and passes out dead (who knows) on that magical elevator platform, he wakes up, stands up as if nothing happens and begins having a full conversation and walking around.

If you just passed out from bleeding out, you DON'T get better, you only get worse.

So what are Anti-IT using for this? Because No one can explain this most important event. Only dream/IT could, just saying.

A deadly combination of bad writing and adrenaline.

Thats a big leap. Even Bioware knows not to create a plot hole that big

You mean like having every single combat capable person leave the normandy in a small shuttle at the same time, for absolutely no reason? Yeah Bioware would never let something like that slide.

Or turn a small organization of 150 people that was financially set back by what they did in ME2 and later crippled in Retribution only to turn into a Galactic Sith Empire capable of invading the citadel and salarian homeworld.

[Aaleel]

KingZayd wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

Scientists on the 'dead' reaper, were indoc'd in a few hours, starting with the first few hours, having suspicions of being watched.

Few hours ? One of the scientists start having hallucinations after three days with headache

LadySayuri wrote...

In Arrival, Shepard was asleep in the Project Base for two whole days, very near the artifact that indoctrinated Kenson.

Arrival is not canon

And why would Shepards not doing Arrival be more canon than Shepards doing Arrival?

Well neither is canon.  What happened in your game happened in your game.  If someone wants to use Arrival as proof of why their Shepard may have been indoctrinated, fine.  But no one should use it as proof as to why someone elses Shepard may be indoctrinated.

[Clayless]

KingZayd wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Pretty sure with IT Shepard would have to be super ultra special, not the other way around.

not really.

Well he breaks free of indoctrination, something that no one is able to do. That makes him super ultra special.