LadySayuri wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Shepard has never had to justify being able to resist indoctrination because Shepard has never been under the effects of indoctrination. Shepard has never had waking-visions and halucinations, voices in the head while awake, professed empathy or understanding/admiration for Reaper ideals, or seen the resolution waver.
Shepard has never been under prolonged exposure to Reaper indoctrination either: the only opportunity was at Arrival, but for their own (plot) reasons the Reapers wanted Shepard's mind and body intact.
Indoctrination has degrees, just because Shepard's halucinations were in dreams instead of while awake doesn't mean they aren't proof of indoctrination. Look at TIM. In the very beginning of ME2, before Shepard dies, we see that TIM has the glowing blue eyes that are a sign of indoctrination.
Blue eyes aren't a sign of indoctrination, they are a sign of implants. TIM's are from the Turians,
Two years later, even though his motives are unclear, he is still trying to stop the Reapers by stopping the Collectors. It wasn't until ME3 that TIM wanted to control the Reapers instead of destroying him. My point is that just because Shepard wasn't willing to surrender to the Reapers doesn't mean they did not have some hold on her.
There is no place in the game where the Reapers are shown to have any hold on Shepard at all,
As for the resolution wavering, isn't that exactly what happens in the Crucible? Were there not some conflict in Shepard's mind, the Destroy option would have been the only option.
Bioware has always offered multiple choices, and estblished control across the game: Shepard might not have believed it possible, but it is.
And it certainly wouldn't have been presented as the Renegade choice. Now that I think about it, didn't Shepard see Anderson and TIM making those decisions in, wait, a halucination? Of course that could have just been a cinematic choice or the Catalyst's doing, but it's something to think about.
It was a cinematic. It also wasn't presenting any choice as Paragon or Renegade: the ending deliberatly crossed themes to blur that distinction.
Now about Shepard never being exposed to Reaper indoctrination. I really don't feel like repeating myself since I already said Shep spent two days in close contact with Rho. Arguing whether Arrival is canon or not is a moot point since Casey has said on record there is no 'canon', that every playthrough is valid. But since Arrival was a bridge to ME3, and putting Shepard under arrest for his work with Cerberus would have set up things just as well, I'm led to believe that there was SOMETHING important about Shep spending so much time near a force of indoctrination.
Being near a potential force is not enough: the souce has to be on and working as well. Shepard never showed characteristics of indoctrinated thought patterns, intentions, or decreases in capability.
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