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[Lotion Soronarr]

Luc0s wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I really don't see the rationale of judging an entire company based off a single 10 minutes, it is very hard for me to see reason in this.

It's more than 10 minutes. It's basically the whole of DA2 and ME3 (minus the multiplayer, the mp in ME3 is awesome). And the whole of ME2.

Fixed it for you.

[Lotion Soronarr]

xsdob wrote...

Luc0s@ Wow. Thats...rather a depressing thought actually. Not a single alien among the stars to ally with or even have a co-existence relation with?

Eldar and Tau are the only ones with whom that is possible. The forces of the Imperium have engaged in temporary cease-fires/alliances with the Eldar occasionaly. But they never lasted long.

Also, despite what you might hear, most space marines to not venerate the God-Emperor as a god, but as the greatest of all men.


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Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 22 mai 2012 - 11:21 .

[Melra]

No, I wouldn't want to play BW kind of RPG in WH universe. Too much pointless bloodshed and nothing to be happy about.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

xsdob wrote...

I liked dragonage 2.

I'm not certain my brain is the same as that of a bsn poster or rpg hardcore fan.

How many here liked the space marine video game?

It's a good game around 8.2/10. The Orks are kinda hilarious in this universe.

I'm looking for future games in WH 40K universe.

[ObserverStatus]

I'm not that knowledgeable on 40k lore, but aren't Inquisistors supposed to be dangerously xenophobic? I don't think that Bioware's writers have it in them not to let the player have sex with the geeky/awkward virginal Tyranid.

[TheBlackBaron]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Luc0s@ Wow. Thats...rather a depressing thought actually. Not a single alien among the stars to ally with or even have a co-existence relation with?

Eldar and Tau are the only ones with whom that is possible. The forces of the Imperium have engaged in temporary cease-fires/alliances with the Eldar occasionaly. But they never lasted long.

Also, despite what you might hear, most space marines to not venerate the God-Emperor as a god, but as the greatest of all men.

IIRC, in the new Necron fluff one of the Tomb Lords worked with a SPESS MEHREEN chapter in some battle or other. 

But that's written by Matt Ward, he of the Khornate Grey Knights, so take that as you will. 

EDIT: Nope, my mistake, that was in the Blood Angels codex, not the Necrons 5th edition. Still. Bit noobish of them to do that. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 22 mai 2012 - 10:05 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
IIRC, in the new Necron fluff one of the Tomb Lords worked with a SPESS MEHREEN chapter in some battle or other. 

But that's written by Matt Ward, he of the Khornate Grey Knights, so take that as you will. 

EDIT: Nope, my mistake, that was in the Blood Angels codex, not the Necrons 5th edition. Still. Bit noobish of them to do that. 

Matt Ward screws up everything he touches. Don't accept him as your Spiritual Liege.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

bobobo878 wrote...

I'm not that knowledgeable on 40k lore, but aren't Inquisistors supposed to be dangerously xenophobic? I don't think that Bioware's writers have it in them not to let the player have sex with the geeky/awkward virginal Tyranid.

 You can only do an Eldar... or a Slannesh Daemon I suppose but you'd have more chance of surviving with the Tyranid.

Actually Inquisitors can be tolerant, they do use alien technology if they believe it fulfills the greater good of aiding the Imperium and even allow aliens into their retinues. What you have to remember about 40k is that, to a large extent, the Imperiums xenophobic views are justified. Most races like the Nids, Orks and Necrons are anethema to human life. Eldar and Tau can be reasoned with; but they are pretty exceptional. They have to be very cloak and dagger about using xenos or chaos technology. But you could probably get away with an Eldar walking down the street if you covered the ears. The untrained eye won't be able to tell the difference since Eldar are shockingly rare. 

Plus, Bioware have done games where the factions are quite genocidal (how many can Shephard kill?) such as the genophage and the rachni. The justifcation for keeping those factions down much the same as why orks n nids couldn't be dealt with. Also, THQ has done 40k games and presented the themes without much trouble so its not as if presenting the 40k verse is controversial in any way. Just because Bioware has always made you, or at least given you the option of being the unavowed good guy without any shades of grey doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

Melrache wrote...

No, I wouldn't want to play BW kind of RPG in WH universe. Too much pointless bloodshed and nothing to be happy about.

Mass Effect 3 was pretty depressing throughout IMO. The only bits that were happy were with your party members, even then touched with melancholy and when you won in each of the arcs.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

ReconTeam wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...
IIRC, in the new Necron fluff one of the Tomb Lords worked with a SPESS MEHREEN chapter in some battle or other. 

But that's written by Matt Ward, he of the Khornate Grey Knights, so take that as you will. 

EDIT: Nope, my mistake, that was in the Blood Angels codex, not the Necrons 5th edition. Still. Bit noobish of them to do that. 

Matt Ward screws up everything he touches. Don't accept him as your Spiritual Liege.

I heard somewhere that No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. They may use extreme methods, but they are pretty much incorruptable, like the Emperor himself.

[RedArmyShogun]

Luc0s wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

The God Emperor however was a bit more open minded. Its funny how far the Current Imperium is from his vision. I mean Sanguine for example, while beloved by the Emperor, a commander of a Legion, and loyal, was a mutant.

ALL primarchs are mutants. In fact, ALL space marines are mutans. Every single chapter has at least 1 mutation in their gene seed. Not a single space marine is perfect, not even the Ultramarines, who like to believe they are the perfect space marines, but really aren't.

Correct. But Human looking mutants. Plus the average civvie I don't think knows that. But Sanquine had freak'n angel wings growing out of his back. I'm sure that would be a "no no" and as you stated the Sapce Marines are ignorant of themselves. Dogma without the Emperor at hand has really swept away the Empire. I don't know if, say when his chair kicks out and he's possiblly reborn, that even he can salvage it..

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

Mass Effect 3 was pretty depressing throughout IMO. The only bits that were happy were with your party members, even then touched with melancholy and when you won in each of the arcs.

Okay see, your way the hell off base here. BW, honestly they failed in capturing that, I mean in seeing a world die, in seeing, well the battles. It was more of watching D-Day from the German View.

But Warhammer?

Imagine you've grown up on either a ****** poor farm world, and overcrowded Hive world that makes Corusanct from starwars look tame, or your from a nobel house thats taught from day one, how to fight, and the dogma's of the Imperium. Where the greatest, gift you may ever have is to honestly die in combat. In Mass Effect the worst thing that happend was Earth can be burned or blown up. In Warhammer, when faced with the Tyrnads or an Ork WAAGHH, IF you can get away with blowing up on systems, or sending a few million imperial guardsmen to die, thats a great victory. People will SMILE about that.

Heck some worlds the Imerpium basically let out all sorts of WMD weapons to poison the world, in fact you have whole worlds and Regiments, such as the Death Korps of Krieg, who grow up on these horrible worlds, stuck in these envirosuits, and the sole goal they have in life is to kill as many of the enemies of the Empire as they can. Its not worry for there worlds, its not fear for themselves. They see themselves as shamed to the Imperium, its like the Quarians minus, rather than move about in ships they stay on that horrible world, breed via artifically assisted natural means, and then go out not in small bands but in the millions, to conduct siege warfare and massed infantry attacks, in the millions.

The world is DEAD to them, no future, no hope, no better tomorrow, only service and death and the forgiveness of the Emperor.  And the Cadian they live right where Chaos always comes rolling out. I mean a whole civilian population whos system provides a large number of IG units and stays fortified right there, teaching kids in youth to be soldiers, nothing more, nothing less, and the Squats and other human like spinoffs they have even worse stories.

Bioware has never came close to writing anything of that level. If you think ME is depressing, well lets put it this way in WH 40k.

Whiping out a star system with a fleet, thats home to billions if not trillions of people. This isn't some great event, this isn't the reapers coming to town. Its just a bad Tuesday afternoon. Shep and his group worried about a war that lasted at best a year?  Yeah The Soldiers and people of Armageddon might have something to say. Having fought for nearly 36 years and going from 500 billion to 100 billion people in that time, and still after having "won" having to bring in more and more troops to keep the world in Imperial hands.

BW could not do justice to that. No Way.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 22 mai 2012 - 03:30 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Luc0s wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

The God Emperor however was a bit more open minded. Its funny how far the Current Imperium is from his vision. I mean Sanguine for example, while beloved by the Emperor, a commander of a Legion, and loyal, was a mutant.

ALL primarchs are mutants. In fact, ALL space marines are mutans. Every single chapter has at least 1 mutation in their gene seed. Not a single space marine is perfect, not even the Ultramarines, who like to believe they are the perfect space marines, but really aren't.

actually, not all of the chapters have mutation in their Geneseed. an example would be the Ultramarines, who have all 19 implants functioning as intended. You could also look at the Grey Knights as well. if you are refering to chapter specific specialty tactics, each chapter does have a tactical or strategic specialty. The Blood Ravens, for example, are heavily Psyker-dominated, and have been known to field entire combat squads of psychic infantry on the battlefield. The Traitor Legions actually have more problems with mutation in their Geneseed, given that they dwell, for the most part, within the Eye of Terror. The exceptions being the fallen, and the Alpha Legion, and possibly the Night Lords. 

[RedArmyShogun]

Thantos I think he means given they are modified from base humans, that makes them mutants in a manner.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 22 mai 2012 - 03:31 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Melrache wrote...

No, I wouldn't want to play BW kind of RPG in WH universe. Too much pointless bloodshed and nothing to be happy about.

NEEDS MOAR DAKKA! YOU CAN NEVA 'AVE ENUFF DAKKA! Its a dystopian setting, of course you are not going to get ****ing roses and parades! the Whole point is that Humanity is in a Eternal War for Survival!

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Thantos I think he means given they are modified from base humans, that makes them mutants in a manner.

Ah. It does, but the Astartes are still human enough to know their duty and value to the imperium. They Are my Space Marines...

[RedArmyShogun]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Melrache wrote...

No, I wouldn't want to play BW kind of RPG in WH universe. Too much pointless bloodshed and nothing to be happy about.

NEEDS MOAR DAKKA! YOU CAN NEVA 'AVE ENUFF DAKKA! Its a dystopian setting, of course you are not going to get ****ing roses and parades! the Whole point is that Humanity is in a Eternal War for Survival!

And thats what I mean right here.

See this isn't just earth and a few small worlds fighting some machine race every 50,000 years.

This is Million of worlds, under attack from several species that make the reapers look nice, where, your fighting extinction level events year after year, on a thousand differing worlds, where your army is only in the high billions, as thats the replacement rate for war losses. Regiments are born and die every day, replaced everyday. Its like fighting Stalingrad as the Russians, only lets make it spread out over a thousand worlds, and fight it 100 times a day. And yet you are being pushed back.

Short of the Emperor or some of his good sons returning humanity is screwed.

Also true on the spacemarines all I'm saying is if they started busting out wings or lizard tails they would have been killed on the spot, in fact the legions that have bad "modifications" or the IG regiments that do, they never remove there armor and clothing openly in the general public out of fear.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 22 mai 2012 - 03:42 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Melrache wrote...

No, I wouldn't want to play BW kind of RPG in WH universe. Too much pointless bloodshed and nothing to be happy about.

NEEDS MOAR DAKKA! YOU CAN NEVA 'AVE ENUFF DAKKA! Its a dystopian setting, of course you are not going to get ****ing roses and parades! the Whole point is that Humanity is in a Eternal War for Survival!

And thats what I mean right here.

See this isn't just earth and a few small worlds fighting some machine race every 50,000 years.

This is Million of worlds, under attack from several species that make the reapers look nice, where, your fighting extinction level events year after year, on a thousand differing worlds, where your army is only in the high billions, as thats the replacement rate for war losses. Regiments are born and die every day, replaced everyday. Its like fighting Stalingrad as the Russians, only lets make it spread out over a thousand worlds, and fight it 100 times a day. And yet you are being pushed back.

Short of the Emperor or some of his good sons returning humanity is screwed.

Also true on the spacemarines all I'm saying is if they started busting out wings or lizard tails they would have been killed on the spot, in fact the legions that have bad "modifications" or the IG regiments that do, they never remove there armor and clothing openly in the general public out of fear.

What's really funny is when some self-righteous inquisitor interferes with the Astartes chapters. look no further than this.http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sons_of_Malice

[RedArmyShogun]

lol see this is an example of why BW can't do it, from that link.

"Every warband attends at the correct time, regardless of their current status or who they are fighting. Slaves from every race encountered are then brought to the Labyrinth; each battle brother then retreats to a cell, where they eat the slave assigned to them alive."

See thats just nuts. And not strange at all in WH40k to read about lol.

[snfonseka]

Please don't. Given the current trend, I prefer if they can leave that franchise alone.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

lol see this is an example of why BW can't do it, from that link.

"Every warband attends at the correct time, regardless of their current status or who they are fighting. Slaves from every race encountered are then brought to the Labyrinth; each battle brother then retreats to a cell, where they eat the slave assigned to them alive."

See thats just nuts. And not strange at all in WH40k to read about lol.

even worse, you can't match this http://wh40k.lexican.../wiki/Golia_VII

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Luc0s wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

I heard somewhere that No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. They may use extreme methods, but they are pretty much incorruptable, like the Emperor himself.

That's what the records say. But don't believe a worth of it. Not a single space marine is perfect and every single space marine can eventually fall ot Chaos, even the Grey Knights.

The difference is, that the Grey Knights are very keen on corruption. If a Grey Knight brother even shows the slightest likelyhood of falling to Chaos, he'll be terminated. His gene-seed won't even be harvested, it will also be terminated because it's tainted. That's how the Grey Knights operate.

And what is your source for this assumption?