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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Luc0s wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

I heard somewhere that No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. They may use extreme methods, but they are pretty much incorruptable, like the Emperor himself.

That's what the records say. But don't believe a worth of it. Not a single space marine is perfect and every single space marine can eventually fall ot Chaos, even the Grey Knights.

The difference is, that the Grey Knights are very keen on corruption. If a Grey Knight brother even shows the slightest likelyhood of falling to Chaos, he'll be terminated. His gene-seed won't even be harvested, it will also be terminated because it's tainted. That's how the Grey Knights operate.

The guy in the middle 'Captain Titus' is incorruptible! The irony is he was in the custody the last time I got the news, for not falling to chaos...

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

I heard somewhere that No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. They may use extreme methods, but they are pretty much incorruptable, like the Emperor himself.

That's what the records say. But don't believe a worth of it. Not a single space marine is perfect and every single space marine can eventually fall ot Chaos, even the Grey Knights.

The difference is, that the Grey Knights are very keen on corruption. If a Grey Knight brother even shows the slightest likelyhood of falling to Chaos, he'll be terminated. His gene-seed won't even be harvested, it will also be terminated because it's tainted. That's how the Grey Knights operate.

The guy in the middle 'Captain Titus' is incorruptible! The irony is he was in the custody the last time I got the news, for not falling to chaos...

That is a bit of a phalacy. True that he walked through hell during his exile, forgot the warhammer terminology, and later survived the grey Knights inquision, it doesn't mean he cant be corrupted only that he is resistance to it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I don't recall any of that, ever.
But with some of the crap form the new books/codexes, I can't say it would surprise me.

Not a single Grey Knight has ever fallen. They do not even use normal gene-seed or training procedures.
IIRC, they go trough 666 (or was it 999) mind rapes of the Emperor.
Every source I know pretty much lists them as uncorruptable.

Them "dealing with it themsleves" makes little sense, since that's what EVERY chapter tries to do. If detecting corruption was that easy, no space mariens would ever fall.

And unless I'm mistaken, the lastest retcons made it so that not all of htem are psykers..or something.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 22 mai 2012 - 05:46 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Luc0s wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I don't recall any of that, ever.
But with some of the crap form the new books/codexes, I can't say it would surprise me.

Not a single Grey Knight has ever fallen. They do not even use normal gene-seed or training procedures.
IIRC, they go trough 666 (or was it 999) mind rapes of the Emperor.
Every source I know pretty much lists them as uncorruptable.

666 trails.

And yes, there is no known case of a corrupted Grey Knight. This is true. But behind the scenes (without anyone knowing it) it does happen, just not very often. Or at least that's what I've read in one of the novels.

cite the specific source and passage, then.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Luc0s wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

I heard somewhere that No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. They may use extreme methods, but they are pretty much incorruptable, like the Emperor himself.

That's what the records say. But don't believe a worth of it. Not a single space marine is perfect and every single space marine can eventually fall ot Chaos, even the Grey Knights.

The difference is, that the Grey Knights are very keen on corruption. If a Grey Knight brother even shows the slightest likelyhood of falling to Chaos, he'll be terminated. His gene-seed won't even be harvested, it will also be terminated because it's tainted. That's how the Grey Knights operate.

And what is your source for this assumption?

It's not an assumption. I know this for a fact. I've read it in one of the many many many many novels of Warhammer 40k. I've ready so many of them that I can't point you to the exact novel and the exact page, so you have to take my word on it (or not, your choice). Maybe you can find something about this on the Lexicanum or the Warhammer wiki?

"The Grey Knights hold a unique honour among the chapters of the Adeptus
Astartes - in over ten thousand years of service, not a single one of
their number has ever defected to Chaos."(from the Grey Knights page on Lexicanum)

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I don't recall any of that, ever.
But with some of the crap form the new books/codexes, I can't say it would surprise me.

Not a single Grey Knight has ever fallen. They do not even use normal gene-seed or training procedures.
IIRC, they go trough 666 (or was it 999) mind rapes of the Emperor.
Every source I know pretty much lists them as uncorruptable.

Them "dealing with it themsleves" makes little sense, since that's what EVERY chapter tries to do. If detecting corruption was that easy, no space mariens would ever fall.

And unless I'm mistaken, the lastest retcons made it so that not all of htem are psykers..or something.

"One of the main criteria for selection is that the recruit must show
great psychic potential, as the entire Chapter is made up of psykers.
Once accepted into the chapter and undergoing the standard process to
transform into a member of the Adeptus Astartes, the new Grey Knight is
also implanted with silver purity wards under his skin which cover his
entire body.
" (again from Lexicanum)

[wafflez]

I would totally play necron or eldar if I got the chance.

[xsdob]

This is going to be really dumb, but I just have to know ever since I read about the waaagh! It's not a serious question but more a humorous thought experiment.

Say you have an ork, an oddboyz or warboss or whatever, who ends up bashing his head really hard and ends up by some unknown act of the god emperor thinking he's a space marine. Would the waaagh make his armor and weapons into space marine equipment and let him use that equipment because he now believes he's a space marine or would he just be normal and running around like a more crazier than normal ork?

Also, picture an ork in the blue gold armor charging into a horde screaming "For Da Emporah!!!"

[AtreiyaN7]

I rather like the DH setting (am currently playing a DH game), so I would actually go for this idea.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I rather like the DH setting (am currently playing a DH game), so I would actually go for this idea.

Yeah I know. My group normally does Rogue Trader since you get your own ship and its more forgiving statline wise.

Confess a Bear

I get what you're saying but theres a difference between assessing the verse in the codex/rulebooks and more character driven stories like what produced in Black Library. These tend to give a much less bleak and merciless view, since the heroes normally win and if you look at Eisenhorn, whilst he does struggle he does seem genuinely affectionate to that null woman and the savant who is with him. Whilst ME3 if you take a distanced approach, take the codex for example, the death toll is as high as the 40k verse. They tell you that most of Earths population is going to get gooped in less than a decade. You also have reapers annialating whole fleet sand turning whole worlds into molten slag. That is apocalyptic slaughter on a par with, say, some of the battles for the Horus Heresy in the book mechanicum and eventually on Terra.

[RedArmyShogun]

It still won't work, and its not going to happen reguardless. BW wants the COD crowd. I can tell you upfront WH40k would be the small niche groups that EA hates.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

It still won't work, and its not going to happen reguardless. BW wants the COD crowd. I can tell you upfront WH40k would be the small niche groups that EA hates.

The COD crowd want modern warfare where you fight communists and play with CODs acrade style FPS mechanics. I really doubt they have interest in playing science fiction related video games in general. Also, that would require fully fledged multiplayer with versus and the RPG element starts to disintegrate since you need balance and level progression is anathema to that. What Bioware wants is to have an RPG that actually has half-decent mechanics so that its actually fun to fight as a shooter. Plus the COD thing is more about gameplay mechanics and getting continuous involvement and satisfaction from playing game. ie you can go on COD multiplayer for twenty minutes and are dying every five seconds. This creates an intensity of experience but doesn't take a huge chunk of time. An RPG, needs a lot of time. Most Bioware games have eye-watering amounts of dialogue and moving around HUBs which add to immersion and story but which detract from excitement and require more investment. What I'am trying to say is that it doesn't matter if its 40k or Mass Effect when it comes to attracting the casual crowd its more how you set the game up.

40k isn't really a niche among gamers. Its alot easier to go with a known sci-fi franchise (ie Star Wars) than to make a completely unknown one like they did with Mass Effect. There've also been popular games like Dawn of War which grant a fair amount of knowledge. I mean in my own country I once read a metro newspaper article on 40k and they have stores in most major towns in the UK.

Also, I heard on Dakka Dakka that Casey Hudson is a Space Wolf player; so logically they can't all hate 40k

Modifié par Mass effect 2 forever, 23 mai 2012 - 12:30 .

[Xewaka]

I have Dark Heresy for that.

Luc0s wrote...
There is nothing cooler than playing a space marine and killing f*cking 'nids and chaos deamons. You're so goddamn overpowered as a space marine (Rank 1 space marine = Rank 8 rogue trader character) but it's so nice because you fight more and bigger enemies. As a deathwatch space marine squad you sometimes have to slay hordes of Orks on your own. It's bloody awesome.

 
This is precisely why Dark Heresy is better. I much rather run a plot about investigation, infiltration, and guile, than "kick the door, kill the aliens" plots.

Modifié par Xewaka, 23 mai 2012 - 07:20 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

xsdob wrote...

This is going to be really dumb, but I just have to know ever since I read about the waaagh! It's not a serious question but more a humorous thought experiment.

Say you have an ork, an oddboyz or warboss or whatever, who ends up bashing his head really hard and ends up by some unknown act of the god emperor thinking he's a space marine. Would the waaagh make his armor and weapons into space marine equipment and let him use that equipment because he now believes he's a space marine or would he just be normal and running around like a more crazier than normal ork?

Also, picture an ork in the blue gold armor charging into a horde screaming "For Da Emporah!!!"

That would actually be comedy gold.

[Xewaka]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

xsdob wrote...
This is going to be really dumb, but I just have to know ever since I read about the waaagh! It's not a serious question but more a humorous thought experiment.
Say you have an ork, an oddboyz or warboss or whatever, who ends up bashing his head really hard and ends up by some unknown act of the god emperor thinking he's a space marine. Would the waaagh make his armor and weapons into space marine equipment and let him use that equipment because he now believes he's a space marine or would he just be normal and running around like a more crazier than normal ork?
Also, picture an ork in the blue gold armor charging into a horde screaming "For Da Emporah!!!"

That would actually be comedy gold.

Sadly, the gestalt physic field generated by the concentration of Orks wouldn't work in that case, as it is a single Ork that believes himself a SPEESH MEHREEN.
Now, if you had a whole Ork Mob believing they're SPEESH MEHREENS, that's 'nother whole history.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

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[Mass effect 2 forever]

Luc0s wrote...

Oh and 'Mass effect 2 forever', you must really hate Warhammer 40k if you want to see BioWare butchering it. I find your desire of BioWare to butcher this series sickening.


Of course I'm being over-dramatic, but I'm quite serious though, why the f*ck would you want w40k to be BiowEAre's next victim?

ME2 was a very entertaining game. A few minor issues about the 'relevence' of the main plot hardly detract from that. In fact I think it was one of the best games I played for that reason. The same goes for ME3 and its ending. I've written more than most about that ending but it doesn't mean the rest of the game wasn't a joy to play. True, they did butcher the ending, and made a blatent moral contradiction which basically said Paragon Shephards decisions were all nieve.

So I don't hate Bioware or EA as much as u.

[xsdob]

Xewaka wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

xsdob wrote...
This is going to be really dumb, but I just have to know ever since I read about the waaagh! It's not a serious question but more a humorous thought experiment.
Say you have an ork, an oddboyz or warboss or whatever, who ends up bashing his head really hard and ends up by some unknown act of the god emperor thinking he's a space marine. Would the waaagh make his armor and weapons into space marine equipment and let him use that equipment because he now believes he's a space marine or would he just be normal and running around like a more crazier than normal ork?
Also, picture an ork in the blue gold armor charging into a horde screaming "For Da Emporah!!!"

That would actually be comedy gold.

Sadly, the gestalt physic field generated by the concentration of Orks wouldn't work in that case, as it is a single Ork that believes himself a SPEESH MEHREEN.
Now, if you had a whole Ork Mob believing they're SPEESH MEHREENS, that's 'nother whole history.

I'm in favor of a delusional ork clan as an expanison. A horrbile experiment to understand the orks powers gone wrong.

Scientist: "WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE!!!"

Crazy Ork: "Stan' back, 'uman. I'll protek ch'ya."

Modifié par xsdob, 23 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

xsdob wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

xsdob wrote...
This is going to be really dumb, but I just have to know ever since I read about the waaagh! It's not a serious question but more a humorous thought experiment.
Say you have an ork, an oddboyz or warboss or whatever, who ends up bashing his head really hard and ends up by some unknown act of the god emperor thinking he's a space marine. Would the waaagh make his armor and weapons into space marine equipment and let him use that equipment because he now believes he's a space marine or would he just be normal and running around like a more crazier than normal ork?
Also, picture an ork in the blue gold armor charging into a horde screaming "For Da Emporah!!!"

That would actually be comedy gold.

Sadly, the gestalt physic field generated by the concentration of Orks wouldn't work in that case, as it is a single Ork that believes himself a SPEESH MEHREEN.
Now, if you had a whole Ork Mob believing they're SPEESH MEHREENS, that's 'nother whole history.

I'm in favor of a delusional ork clan as an expanison. A horrbile experiment to understand the orks powers gone wrong.

Scientist: "WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE!!!"

Crazy Ork: "Stan' back, 'uman. I'll protek ch'ya."

"Boss, we'z gonna fight for da emprah, cuz we'z da spess mahreenz! Boyz, letz zog 'em good for da chapta!"
"in da emprah'z name, we fight an' win! dese Chaos boyz  are gitz an fehled da emprah!"

It would unimagineable heresy, but amusing heresy nonetheless.