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[Mass effect 2 forever]

Um I have played Skyrim and Oblivion. Neither of those have any plot or characters worth mentioning. Even the Dark Brotherhood is largely comic relief and dark humour rather than anything of substance.

Never played Dues Ex or Witcher 2. Heard they were great but never cared to fork out the money and Dues isn't an RPG to my knowledge but a shooter.

I'am honestly not sure what you mean by mediocre. In terms of gameplay each game got progressively better and the graphics of the second were a huge improvement. You got to know your team much better and made them more individual than in ME1; Garrus and Tali especially. You got to explore much more of the verse in ME2 without it being visually uninspiring like in ME1 and it set up the main conflicts in ME3 with Krogan and Quarians. It then went on to resolve those things in a way that was hugely satisfying.

The ending is singled out because it is an abomination that slaps you in the face and was the single biggest mistake and blunder Bioware has ever done.

At the end of the day I can only merit a game on my own experience. Since I thoroughly enjoyed those games I feel vindicated in arguing they are great. Games like Skyrim, or Bad Company 2 are games I've spent hours on but its game like KoToR and Mass Effect that I remember the most and to me thats the distinction between great and simply entertaining.

Modifié par Mass effect 2 forever, 24 mai 2012 - 12:03 .

[Mass effect 2 forever]

Now I'am afraid you're just plain wrong. House Frey and Bolton off a Song of Ice and Fire, they're the ones who don't deserve to live. I personally hope Arya gets her vengence or Daenyrs burns every last one of them alive.

You say I haven't played a game with solid plot and depth? But you say in the line above that KoToR, which I have played, were great? Also, the point of any game or item is to produce a positive reaction among the audience. Thats the only qualitive marker that matters. Since I felt no great negatives playing the game I judge no fault with it. Suggesting I'am ignorant of better games isn't going to change my views.

Also, I understand that both of those games Dues Ex and Witcher are darker stories and I'am personally wary of people assuming that darker=more meaningful and complex. Plus, in my view the best stories are those which convey characters in plain and simple language effectively. Which is why I greatly prefer A Song of Ice and Fire which has a neat and clear style of writing to Wars of Light and Shadow which is just so tedious to read and not actually any better for it.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

Ask them why they thought COD was good. I'am going with my gut not with sales figures.
TBH I don't play any RPG where I have to play as a bloke.  Never cared for it and the only reason I played male shep was to do Tali and male Revan to do Bastilla. Call it purient interest or male fantasy if you must but it really is a stumbling block for me and those games. Yes you have NPCs which are female and you can interact with (ie the Dragon lass in witcher who sounds pretty awesome) but its not the same in my eyes.


edit-You better not be bad mouthing A Song of Ice and Fire on plot!

Modifié par Mass effect 2 forever, 24 mai 2012 - 01:33 .

[Mass effect 2 forever]

Luc0s wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

edit-You better not be bad mouthing A Song of Ice and Fire on plot!

Haven't played that game, so I wouldn't know. If it's really as good as you say it is I guess I'll have to add it to my "to try out" list.


Quick question: Are you a man or a women yourself? Just curious. If you're a women I can sort-of understand why you don't want to play as a male PC in an RPG. If you're a man... well, in that case I'm really curious why you as a man can't get into playing with a male character in an RPG. And how about other non-RPG games? For example: do you have any problem with playing as a boy/man in The Legend of Zelda?

A Song of Ice anf Fire is a book series.

I thought 'male fantasy' was quite a blunt hint myself. Its more ascetically pleasing to look at a female character shooting at things than a bloke. Non-RPG games, if I can, like on Gears of War, then I do. Some like Bad COmpany 2 have enough explosions in them that I may forgive this error. It goes back to when my Dad and family used to gather around the computer and play Tomb Raider. I thus consider the act of playing a video game to be a detached experienced. The person looking into a world like they might a character in a book or a picture than the player character being an extension of my own personal masculinity. So I don't really get the 'big man' vibe when I play a video game. So why not listen to Jennifer Hales husky voice and watch femshep shoot stuff.


Plus, RPGs offer more chance for this kind of thing where a woman is the main character. It wasn' what drew me to RPGs. Love of Star Wars did that. But most video games already have male protagonists so its kind of  a defining feature of RPGs IMO.

Modifié par Mass effect 2 forever, 24 mai 2012 - 01:58 .

[Mass effect 2 forever]

Last time I checked Inquisitors can be female and I'am living in hope that they release plastic sisters of battle with a proper codex. On Dakka Dakka I take Saint Sabbat as my avatar. That is my ansawr to that question.


Plus, you're not a meer man in that, you're a Space Mureen!!!.

Modifié par Mass effect 2 forever, 24 mai 2012 - 02:27 .

[Ninja Stan]

The WH40k universe might be a little too grimdark for BioWare. They've always injected even their darkest themes with elements of hope and optimism, or they were simply a means to a more heroic end. The grimdark-ness is one reason I have a love/hate relationship with 40k.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

Luc0s wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

Last time I checked Inquisitors can be female and I'am living in hope that they release plastic sisters of battle with a proper codex. On Dakka Dakka I take Saint Sabbat as my avatar. That is my ansawr to that question.


Plus, you're not a meer man in that, you're a Space Mureen!!!.

True, but female inquisitors are very rare. Females in the army are quite rare in general in the w40k lore. Sure, you have the Sisters of Battle, who are wannabe space marines (though they'd smash your head in if you'd say such a thing to them), but besides that, w40k is a pretty damn masculine universe.

Space marines = big ubermensch blokes, which is what I was talking about.

I hardly think it would be any less likely than an N7 operative being a woman? Plus, although you do get some characters expressing surprise or bemusement at female inquisitors ie Gaunt and Cain, they are actually very common in terms of appearing in the lore. Plus, how many gals does Eisenhorn pick up in his retinue? Ciaphus Cain says that about 10% of the Gurad are women. Which is a fair figure for a medieval society of religious fanatics.Eldar and Dark Eldar fight as men and women. Necrons, Nids and Orks are essentially asexual for obvious reasons. You then have an army of Daemon women, at least before GW decided to use the retro plastic version and butchered them. In the lore Tau do fight in mixed gender as part of their caste system but GW have never represented this on the Cadian or FW models because of cost and effort. Frankly, there a ton of books in Black Library where you have female characters cropping up as anything from Guardsmen to Imperial Assasians and Fleet Admirals. The only masculine element is that Space Marines can NEVER, EVER, be women. 

Sighs. Theres just something intimately satisfying about acting out all these battles you read about in Black Library and imagine your own toy soldiers doing to your friends army. If they weren't actually Space Marines from warhammer but generic super-soldier X I would have had no interest. Decent game mind you.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

Ninja Stan wrote...

The WH40k universe might be a little too grimdark for BioWare. They've always injected even their darkest themes with elements of hope and optimism, or they were simply a means to a more heroic end. The grimdark-ness is one reason I have a love/hate relationship with 40k.

Depends on the context. Usually Black Library takes a much more positive take on the verse, epsecially when mureens are involved. Also, you can make it much less grimdark ambiguous if you have them up against, say, a Tyranid Hive Fleet. An example of hope would be Flight of the Eisenstein in Horus Heresy, where they bring word to Rogal Dorn and Terra of Horus's betrayel at Istvaan after much hardship.

Haven't they also, I assume with it listed on this forum, done Warhammer Age of Reckoning. That would suggest there is a link and that they've been fine working with grimdark source material.

Modifié par Mass effect 2 forever, 24 mai 2012 - 08:38 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

I hardly think it would be any less likely than an N7 operative being a woman? Plus, although you do get some characters expressing surprise or bemusement at female inquisitors ie Gaunt and Cain, they are actually very common in terms of appearing in the lore. Plus, how many gals does Eisenhorn pick up in his retinue? Ciaphus Cain says that about 10% of the Gurad are women. Which is a fair figure for a medieval society of religious fanatics.

WARNING. WARNING.

This looks like a perfect place to start a "women in the army" discuission. And those NEVER end well.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The toughest women could be in military and 10% looks quite right, I can't find many strong women where I live and none can beat me! Warhammer has done this matter justly.

[Xewaka]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...
Haven't they also, I assume with it listed on this forum, done Warhammer Age of Reckoning. That would suggest there is a link and that they've been fine working with grimdark source material.

Actually, no, they didn't. Control over Warhammer Age of Reckoning fell under the Bioware Brand after the Mythic brand was dismantled, first fused into bioware-mythic, then dropped the Mythic part. The Mythic studio was taken under Bioware in part because of their expertise in MMOs for The Old Republic, but mostly because they had to recicle the part of the team that wasn't laid off after they managed to botch an MMO based on the Warhammer IP.

Modifié par Xewaka, 24 mai 2012 - 12:17 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Regarding the previosu discussion about love adn sex in 40K..


Some Space Wolf fluff suggest they do indeed roll in the hay.
And the Emperors Children certanly do. With all the rape they do and every kind of excess.

Alas, I can't recall anything that mentions any survivors....

[Xewaka]

The Salamanders Chapter keep contact with their old families in nocturne and establish new family units in Nocturne.

Then again, if we're talking an Inquisitor, then his/her servants will be regular human Acolytes. And considering humanity is the third most populous species in the galaxy (after two species genetically engineered for fast breeding), i think love and sex in 40K wouldn't be a problem for an Inquisitor.
After all, it is all but explicitly stated that Inquisitor Vael and Commisar Ciaphas Cain got in on.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

I hardly think it would be any less likely than an N7 operative being a woman? Plus, although you do get some characters expressing surprise or bemusement at female inquisitors ie Gaunt and Cain, they are actually very common in terms of appearing in the lore. Plus, how many gals does Eisenhorn pick up in his retinue? Ciaphus Cain says that about 10% of the Gurad are women. Which is a fair figure for a medieval society of religious fanatics.

WARNING. WARNING.

This looks like a perfect place to start a "women in the army" discuission. And those NEVER end well.

Its a fictional universe so real world parrallels aren't relevent. I was only drawing parrallels between two fictional universes. Plus, you shouldn't take Cain on his word, a lot of the Black Library stuff is the authors take on it. Now, I digress, but 'discussions' about female Space Marines; those are the things that NEVER go down well.  

Please...don't ruin my Space Mureens. They can't have sex, it makes no sense and why would you even be morbidly curious enough to think about that. Slanneshi makes sense, I've read Fulgrim, but that just reinforces how twisted and fatal the idea of a normal woman bedding a marine is.
So please, we are not having THAT conversation.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...
Its a fictional universe so real world parrallels aren't relevent.

They are always relevant.

Please...don't ruin my Space Mureens. They can't have sex, it makes no sense and why would you even be morbidly curious enough to think about that.

Ruin them? Meh.
Why wouldn't it make sense? They are still human at their core and they never were sterilized.

[HoonDing]

Love certainly did bloom between Captain Titus and Lt. Mira

[RedArmyShogun]

No it didn't. >>

[Mass effect 2 forever]

HoonDing wrote...

Love certainly did bloom between Captain Titus and Lt. Mira

....

Platonic. Completely platonic.

Plus, its just weird. I can stand doing aliens in a video game, but...Space Mureens.  Don't ruin my space mureens.

Also, in Horus Heresy its made clear that some women consider Space Marines to be appealing. But the feeling is not mutual, they don't think that way, they're focus and purpose is on war. Add to that they have biological augmentations that mean they can simply control their state of mind; hence why they know no fear. Presumably this includes turning of libido. If you look at Fulgrim, his marines had to be reduced to blood orgies, torture and witnessing Slannesh daemon summonings before one of them blinked at a woman singer and thought 'I quite like that actually'. Even then, most of the Emperors Children simply ended up swinging their chainswords to get rid of their angst and appease their god.

Modifié par Mass effect 2 forever, 24 mai 2012 - 07:07 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

HoonDing wrote...

Love certainly did bloom between Captain Titus and Lt. Mira

....

Platonic. Completely platonic.

Plus, its just weird. I can stand doing aliens in a video game, but...Space Mureens.  Don't ruin my space mureens.

Also, in Horus Heresy its made clear that some females consider Space Marines to be appealing. But the feeling is not mutual, they don't think that way, they're focus and purpose is on war. Add to that they have biological augmentations that mean they can simply control their state of mind; hence why they know no fear. Presumably this includes turning of libido. If you look at Fulgrim, his marines had to be reduced to blood orgies, torture and witnessing Slannesh daemon summonings before one of them blinked at a woman singer and thought 'I quite like that actually'. Even then, most of the Emperors Children simply ended up swinging their chainswords to get rid of their angst and appease their god.

Titus would have been executed or at the very least demoted by the chapter leadership if he messed around with any women. few space marines enter into such forbidden relationships because of the aforementioned potential to fall to chaos. think about it, if a Marine is in a sexual relationship with someone, that introduces a element or factor that draws their focus away from their duties to the Chapter and the Imperium, something which can blunt their ability to focus on the mission. it also weakens their loyalty to the Chapter, which most Astartes value more highly than their own lives.