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[Atakuma]

Really people? This was nothing more than marketing for the announcement at the VGA's. Can you really not fathom the Idea that Bioware makes mistakes?

[deathlord413]

eddieoctane wrote...

deathlord413 wrote...
This would make the Collectors something like the "Husks" of the Prothean cycle. 

Colelctors are the husks of the Prothean cycle. If you downloaded From Ashes, you would know this for a fact.

I said "something like" because the Collectors we fight in ME2 are probably a little different from the ones in back in the Prothean Cycle. The Husks made from Dragons Teeth appear to be much more tehcnology based than the Collectors did, not to mention much more intelligent, but that was after extensive gentic modification.  Eventually if we saw the war drag on long enough the Reapers may have created a version of the human Husk that resembled a living creature rather than a Techno-Zombie. 

[Rifneno]

Ugh. I don't know why some of you guys still try to convince the literalists. It just isn't worth it.   Most of them are like DukeofNukes, so dead set on their vitriol that it's impossible to have a civil conversation because if you try to point out that maybe, just MAYBE, there was a twist they didn't see, then they throw a tantrum because you're spoiling their hating party.  You can have a more intellectual conversation with starbrat and he tells you that jumping into a beam will cause all the leaves in the galaxy to have printed goddamn circuitry on them.
And then there's the "grasping at straws lulz" bit.  Jesus.  I'd compare it to trying to converse with a parrot, but parrots are actually very smart and some of them do understand what they're saying.  No, I guess it's more like having a conversation with a tape recorder on loop.

Really, I don't see the point in trying to discuss it out of the main IT thread.  There's already so much evidence that if people still don't think it's likely or even possible, then they either don't care enough to read the real evidence or they're one of the many that simply can't accept the hints were there and they failed to pick up on them.

Oh, and no, there's nothing solid to say Harbinger isn't the Prothean Reaper.  The only two points against it are ME3's codex on Harbinger and EDI's comment at the proto-Reaper in ME2.  Both of which are clearly worded as to not be concrete facts but assumptions.

[deathlord413]

Atakuma wrote...

Really people? This was nothing more than marketing for the announcement at the VGA's. Can you really not fathom the Idea that Bioware makes mistakes?

Can you not fathom the Idea that Bioware plans ahead? 

[Destructorlio]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

What's sad is that, no matter what, this cannot be verified at this point. If BioWare uses the IT, there's no way they can convince everyone that it's what they intended all along. Their silence, and the fact that they actually had to recall in the voice talent, suggests that the ending we saw is what they had intended all along.

Not really. I already believe IT was planned, and that's just from the in-game clues. If Bioware pipes up after the EC is released and admits it was planned all along, of course I'd believe them. Their silence totally supports IT- if they broke their silence it would destroy the illusion..

Recalling voice actors just means they planned to push out the EC for time (since they origainlly asked EA for a 6 month extension and only got 3- EC may have been their compromise to get 3 more months) and were tweaking the endings according to fan response (which they have said they wanted to do). So it's all pretty consistent with IT/EC being planned.

[TSA_383]

Gruntburner wrote...

Wait a minute... has all this
speculation actually brought something interesting to light? Is this
the Twilight Zone or something? This probably isn't true but if it
is... well OP, you deserve an internet cookie. You know what here have
one anyway .

*Hands over a cookie*

Karolus_V wrote...

KeyBane wrote...

While I agree with you here (Especially because I don't have a phone that does QR.  It really leaves me out of things) I really liked the Emily Wong death.  Maybe it sucked for people who weren't there, but I was refreshing every five minutes, on the edge of my seat.  It was really cool.

I dont doubt it, probably was very interesting. But this type of things, out of the game "framework" ...NO, please NO. Thing about it...next time , perhaps, they are going to kill some character like...uhm..Jack?Grunt?Samara?Jacob?(even with him, it isnt going to be ok, in my opinion). To injury to insult, they put Diana Allers instead...

I think I can begin to understand why:

Rifneno wrote...
I'd compare it to trying to converse with a
parrot, but parrots are actually very smart and some of them do
understand what they're saying.

You just reminded me of this video, which I'm now going to go and watch. For an hour.

Modifié par TSA_383, 21 mai 2012 - 01:51 .

[AntonioA9011]

Karolus_V wrote...

AntonioA9011 wrote...

How the hell does everyone keep running around with custum avatars? How the hell do I get one?

I think we have to speculate about that too.

LOL! SPECULATE

[Kusy]

Atakuma wrote...

All of that stuff was just viral marketing for the cgi announcement trailer at the VGA's. Don't read too much into it.

But please do, and when the time comes, I will drink your tears and laugh at your dissapointnemt.
Come on, seriously? Those bar codes could have linked to images of dildos in various colors and you'd find a way to connect it to IT. Slap yourself out of it people.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 21 mai 2012 - 01:54 .

[Destructorlio]

Alex Arterius wrote...

Eg "there were blue curtains on the wall", the blue represents the solemn, lonely mood of the character and curtains symbolism the fact that he's blocking things out, much like curtains block light out" ... But probably the writer literally just meant that the curtains happened to be blue color and there is actually no deeper meaning to be found.

Are you trying to say that works of fiction do not contain symbolism, metaphor and analogy, and that all 'deeper meaning' in literature is just made up by the reader? 

Karolus_V wrote...

Execution: Even counting IT, the actual ending of ME3 is bad and nonsensical. Seems some loselly conected (some parts even seems DISconected) video cuts hastily put togheter.

  

Actually, if you believe in IT, the ending kind of takes on a sort of brilliance. For one thing, the IT interpretation is the only one that makes sense. If it's all in Shepard's mind, then all of the odd narrative lapses are clues to the fact that what you are experincing is 'not right' somehow. And think about it, they are all SPECIFICALLY targeted towards proving IT true. The biggest continuity problem with the ending is the fact that your LI gets out of the Normandy when they were just with you on the planet. Yet you have a convo with you LI about running away to a garden planet. Coincidence? Same with the 'big three choices'. They make no sense if taken literally, but if they are choices in Shepard's mind, they suddenly make a lot of sense. This is the most important clue that IT is correct, because all other explanations have holes in them.

Karolus_V wrote... 

Explanation: No explanation. If IT is true, the damn "buy DLC " after the credits, can be very easily misinterpreted (DLC usually are moneythefts), Bioware behaviour after launch and fans reactions, laked a lot, and there is NO PLACE where you can see WITHOUT DOUBT Bioware is saying "there is going more than yours eyes are seeing". And that one was needed to be IN GAME. All that is so sloppy, than even if IT is true(I like it a lot more than what we actually see) I am not going to think good job with the deception Bioware*.

 

I disagree. If they had CLEARLY signposted that you were under indoctrination, the illusion would have been broken and the whole point of the exercise would have been lost. What they did was layer subtle clues (of which there are at least 20- see this blog for detail: http://masseffectind...logspot.com.au/ ) into the game, start to finish, to point the gamer towards the conclusion, not spell it out for them. The EC will be the 'reveal' (or 'prestige', if you like). This is the secret to every magic trick ever pulled. You make the observer think one thing that is not correct, then reveal that they have been fooled. If you clearly point out the trick before the reveal, then there is no trick. I say again: They could not clearly reveal indoctrination pre-EC for the reveal to work. That said, they put in so many clues that it's difficult to believe any other interpretation.

Modifié par Destructorlio, 21 mai 2012 - 02:03 .

[Enado]

Atakuma wrote...

Really people? This was nothing more than marketing for the announcement at the VGA's. Can you really not fathom the Idea that Bioware makes mistakes?

Easy there, dream crusher. Let's not try to be optimistic here.

[Darth_Trethon]

You know, I like this.....I sure hope their IT intentions are that far reaching but I doubt this....I don't doubt the IT and BioWare's intent to have it there but I doubt they were thinking IT when they dropped those clues.....I sure hope I'm wrong though.

[eddieoctane]

TSA_383 wrote...

I think I can begin to understand why:

I still don't understand what is supposed to be so hot about that picture. Part of me hopes she got shocked by licking electronics. The other part hopes she got dissentary from it. You know how many people take cell phones and such into bathrooms?

Modifié par eddieoctane, 21 mai 2012 - 02:04 .

[TSA_383]

To be honest, I think the last clue was the really interesting one, as I was suspicious even before I knew about all this IDT stuff that Shepard was being used to draw all of the galactic fleets to London and that the crucible isn't at all what it seems.

I mean really, a reaper-destroying super weapon just HAPPENS to be the only bit of technology to have survived thousands of cycles?
I think they wanted us to have it.

[Kusy]

It would be a genius marketing move if there was a first week update with the actual ending. Get your **** together and realize that the EA overlords wouldn't agree to incorporate a plan that bares any signs of being risky.

This ****storm was not planned. People don't plan ****storms.

[Fingertrip]

Atakuma wrote...

Really people? This was nothing more than marketing for the announcement at the VGA's. Can you really not fathom the Idea that Bioware makes mistakes?

Bad troll or new to franchise.

[Rifneno]

deathlord413 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Really people? This was nothing more than marketing for the announcement at the VGA's. Can you really not fathom the Idea that Bioware makes mistakes?

Can you not fathom the Idea that Bioware plans ahead? 

No, they can't.  I mean it's not like they planted the seeds for this back in ME1.  No, everything's because Bioware is Lazy™.  Coffee is cold?  BW's lazy.  Car won't start?  BW is lazy.

[Karolus_V]

Destructorlio wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...

Eg "there were blue curtains on the wall", the blue represents the solemn, lonely mood of the character and curtains symbolism the fact that he's blocking things out, much like curtains block light out" ... But probably the writer literally just meant that the curtains happened to be blue color and there is actually no deeper meaning to be found.

Are you trying to say that works of fiction do not contain symbolism, metaphor and analogy, and that all 'deeper meaning' in literature is just made up by the reader? 

Karolus_V wrote...

Execution: Even counting IT, the actual ending of ME3 is bad and nonsensical. Seems some loselly conected (some parts even seems DISconected) video cuts hastily put togheter.

  

Actually, if you believe in IT, the ending kind of takes on a sort of brilliance. For one thing, the IT interpretation is the only one that makes sense. If it's all in Shepard's mind, then all of the odd narrative lapses are clues to the fact that what you are experincing is 'not right' somehow. And think about it, they are all SPECIFICALLY targeted towards proving IT true. The biggest continuity problem with the ending is the fact that your LI gets out of the Normandy when they were just with you on the planet. Yet you have a convo with you LI about running away to a garden planet. Coincidence? Same with the 'big three choices'. They make no sense if taken literally, but if they are choices in 

Karolus_V wrote... 

Explanation: No explanation. If IT is true, the damn "buy DLC " after the credits, can be very easily misinterpreted (DLC usually are moneythefts), Bioware behaviour after launch and fans reactions, laked a lot, and there is NO PLACE where you can see WITHOUT DOUBT Bioware is saying "there is going more than yours eyes are seeing". And that one was needed to be IN GAME. All that is so sloppy, than even if IT is true(I like it a lot more than what we actually see) I am not going to think good job with the deception Bioware*.

 

My point is, all things considered, the ending is so plain bad, that simply seems rushed, and even if IT is true, they could have done a better job with the "red herring" ending. Is too poor now. As I said, nothing in videogames history shows this isnt  a rush job.

I add: You can't get the reception the final part of the game has got, and even if you were trying to be smart, think you delivered (even if the EC is going to be fantastic).

Modifié par Karolus_V, 21 mai 2012 - 02:07 .

[Atakuma]

Rifneno wrote...

deathlord413 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Really people? This was nothing more than marketing for the announcement at the VGA's. Can you really not fathom the Idea that Bioware makes mistakes?

Can you not fathom the Idea that Bioware plans ahead? 

No, they can't.  I mean it's not like they planted the seeds for this back in ME1.  No, everything's because Bioware is Lazy™.  Coffee is cold?  BW's lazy.  Car won't start?  BW is lazy.

How does that even relate to the I.T.? That makes more compelling evidence for the ending being real.

[Destructorlio]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

It would be a genius marketing move if there was a first week update with the actual ending. Get your **** together and realize that the EA overlords wouldn't agree to incorporate a plan that bares any signs of being risky.

This ****storm was not planned. People don't plan ****storms.

Uh, well they have actually said that they want to give time for everyone to play ME3 so that they can 'draw their own conclusions'. Releasing the EC a week after release would have, again, broken the illusion. Hell, I consider myself a fairly hardcore ME fan, and I didn't finish the game for the first time until 2 months after release- and it hadn't even been released in some markets until then.

Also, we're not saying, and never have said, that the EC was completed on release day and that they don't need more time to complete it. In fact, Bioware asked EA for 6 more months to complete the game and were only given 3- so it stands to reason they needed the additional 3 months to complete the EC. So it all kind of adds up.

Totes agree that the sh*tstorm is bigger than they anticipated. I guess this really is a new high-water mark of whiny, entitled fans over-expressing themselves online rather than figuring out sh!t for themselves.

[Wabajakka]

Interesting no doubt actually.

I was wondering why Aequitas was highlighted on my map and thought it was a bug. (it probably still is)

I also do remember that side mission in ME2. Actually quite a decent side quest.

I want to say you're stretching a bit with what you've found, but that's an immense coincidence.

[eddieoctane]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

It would be a genius marketing move if there was a first week update with the actual ending. Get your **** together and realize that the EA overlords wouldn't agree to incorporate a plan that bares any signs of being risky.

This ****storm was not planned. People don't plan ****storms.

Well, it kind of depends on the exact terms of EA's contract with BioWare when they purchased them. Activision owns Blizzard and gets all their profits, but agreed to never lay a finger on Blizzard's IPs. Bobby Kotick doesn't get to screw with WoW in any way, shape, or form. So maybe EA agreed to give a lot of creative freedom to BioWare.

I really hope this is the case. Otherwise, it really feels like a torch-and-run scenario. As bad as EA might be, that would make Casey's actions worse.

[Elyiia]

Atakuma wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

deathlord413 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Really people? This was nothing more than marketing for the announcement at the VGA's. Can you really not fathom the Idea that Bioware makes mistakes?

Can you not fathom the Idea that Bioware plans ahead? 

No, they can't.  I mean it's not like they planted the seeds for this back in ME1.  No, everything's because Bioware is Lazy™.  Coffee is cold?  BW's lazy.  Car won't start?  BW is lazy.

How does that even relate to the I.T.? That makes more compelling evidence for the ending being real.

Obviously you haven't been here long enough, everything relates to IT. Everything. Even the space hamster.

[balance5050]

Orange Tee wrote...

Interesting no doubt actually.

I was wondering why Aequitas was highlighted on my map and thought it was a bug. (it probably still is)

I also do remember that side mission in ME2. Actually quite a decent side quest.

I want to say you're stretching a bit with what you've found, but that's an immense coincidence.

LOT'S of people had that very same bug, including me. But there was never any mission there in ME3. There was this in ME2 however:

"An excavation team in the Minos Wasteland on the planet Aequitas found a Reaper artifact that creates advanced husks. This device does not resemble dragon's teeth at all, instead featuring an orb of energy that turned the excavation team into husks with what appears to be a form of indoctrination, according to logs kept by the team, before it started creating more husks."

[balance5050]

Elyiia wrote...

Obviously you haven't been here long enough, everything relates to IT. Everything. Even the space hamster.

Joke...

[BaneTheSpecTRe]

Destructorlio wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

It would be a genius marketing move if there was a first week update with the actual ending. Get your **** together and realize that the EA overlords wouldn't agree to incorporate a plan that bares any signs of being risky.

This ****storm was not planned. People don't plan ****storms.

Uh, well they have actually said that they want to give time for everyone to play ME3 so that they can 'draw their own conclusions'. Releasing the EC a week after release would have, again, broken the illusion. Hell, I consider myself a fairly hardcore ME fan, and I didn't finish the game for the first time until 2 months after release- and it hadn't even been released in some markets until then.

Also, we're not saying, and never have said, that the EC was completed on release day and that they don't need more time to complete it. In fact, Bioware asked EA for 6 more months to complete the game and were only given 3- so it stands to reason they needed the additional 3 months to complete the EC. So it all kind of adds up.

Totes agree that the sh*tstorm is bigger than they anticipated. I guess this really is a new high-water mark of whiny, entitled fans over-expressing themselves online rather than figuring out sh!t for themselves.

I...Skipped class for three days to marathon it, and now I feel terrible.