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[eddieoctane]

Atakuma wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

deathlord413 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Really people? This was nothing more than marketing for the announcement at the VGA's. Can you really not fathom the Idea that Bioware makes mistakes?

Can you not fathom the Idea that Bioware plans ahead? 

No, they can't.  I mean it's not like they planted the seeds for this back in ME1.  No, everything's because Bioware is Lazy™.  Coffee is cold?  BW's lazy.  Car won't start?  BW is lazy.

How does that even relate to the I.T.? That makes more compelling evidence for the ending being real.

Even if it is intended to be a clue to take the ending literally, it's still a sign of careful pre-planning by BioWare. IT and the capability of BioWare to plan far in advance don't have to be dependent on one another. If Klencory was placed because of how the Catalyst would appear at release in ME3, it then becomes a question of how detailed BioWare's intent was.

[Atakuma]

Elyiia wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

deathlord413 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Really people? This was nothing more than marketing for the announcement at the VGA's. Can you really not fathom the Idea that Bioware makes mistakes?

Can you not fathom the Idea that Bioware plans ahead? 

No, they can't.  I mean it's not like they planted the seeds for this back in ME1.  No, everything's because Bioware is Lazy™.  Coffee is cold?  BW's lazy.  Car won't start?  BW is lazy.

How does that even relate to the I.T.? That makes more compelling evidence for the ending being real.

Obviously you haven't been here long enough, everything relates to IT. Everything. Even the space hamster.

The space hamster must have been a reaper sleeper cell!

[jsadalia]

Fingertrip wrote...

Oh look, we've already got trolls and delusional anti-IT rejecters. Don't mind them to much, they're new to the franchise.

This is exactly the kind of zealotry that frustrates so many about IT fans.  You don't know everything.  You don't know you're right.  The great majority of those who disagree with you are neither new to the franchise nor delusional.

[xsdob]

I do not feel strongly about the IT one way or the other. I find the images interesting but neither a confirmation or denial of the IT.

Neutral.

[Uncle Jo]

Rifneno wrote...

Ugh. I don't know why some of you guys still try to convince the literalists. It just isn't worth it.   Most of them are like DukeofNukes, so dead set on their vitriol that it's impossible to have a civil conversation because if you try to point out that maybe, just MAYBE, there was a twist they didn't see, then they throw a tantrum because you're spoiling their hating party.  You can have a more intellectual conversation with starbrat and he tells you that jumping into a beam will cause all the leaves in the galaxy to have printed goddamn circuitry on them.
And then there's the "grasping at straws lulz" bit.  Jesus.  I'd compare it to trying to converse with a parrot, but parrots are actually very smart and some of them do understand what they're saying.  No, I guess it's more like having a conversation with a tape recorder on loop.

Really, I don't see the point in trying to discuss it out of the main IT thread.  There's already so much evidence that if people still don't think it's likely or even possible, then they either don't care enough to read the real evidence or they're one of the many that simply can't accept the hints were there and they failed to pick up on them.

Oh, and no, there's nothing solid to say Harbinger isn't the Prothean Reaper.  The only two points against it are ME3's codex on Harbinger and EDI's comment at the proto-Reaper in ME2.  Both of which are clearly worded as to not be concrete facts but assumptions.

You still believe in IT? Snap out of it! The game is clearly rushed. Stop grasping at straws!

We already know that the Citadel protected Shep from the explosion (we see it clearly in the breath-cutscene, the rubbles are from the Citadel) and the Synthesis is the best ending (proven by the guide).

Furthermore if Shep was indoctrinated why the VI on Thessia didn't detect it ?

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 21 mai 2012 - 02:37 .

[Kusy]

Destructorlio wrote...
Totes agree that the sh*tstorm is bigger than they anticipated. I guess this really is a new high-water mark of whiny, entitled fans over-expressing themselves online rather than figuring out sh!t for themselves.

How does "a new high-water of unpleased, disappointed fans expressing themselves online rather than building idols for a company that has failed to deliver like any good fanboy should" sounds to you?

[Bill Casey]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Furthermore if Shep was indoctrinated why the VI on Thessia didn't detect it ?

*facepalm*

Look up the definition of indoctrinated...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 21 mai 2012 - 02:33 .

[balance5050]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Ugh. I don't know why some of you guys still try to convince the literalists. It just isn't worth it.   Most of them are like DukeofNukes, so dead set on their vitriol that it's impossible to have a civil conversation because if you try to point out that maybe, just MAYBE, there was a twist they didn't see, then they throw a tantrum because you're spoiling their hating party.  You can have a more intellectual conversation with starbrat and he tells you that jumping into a beam will cause all the leaves in the galaxy to have printed goddamn circuitry on them.
And then there's the "grasping at straws lulz" bit.  Jesus.  I'd compare it to trying to converse with a parrot, but parrots are actually very smart and some of them do understand what they're saying.  No, I guess it's more like having a conversation with a tape recorder on loop.

Really, I don't see the point in trying to discuss it out of the main IT thread.  There's already so much evidence that if people still don't think it's likely or even possible, then they either don't care enough to read the real evidence or they're one of the many that simply can't accept the hints were there and they failed to pick up on them.

Oh, and no, there's nothing solid to say Harbinger isn't the Prothean Reaper.  The only two points against it are ME3's codex on Harbinger and EDI's comment at the proto-Reaper in ME2.  Both of which are clearly worded as to not be concrete facts but assumptions.

You still believe in IT? Snap out of it! The game is clearly rushed. Stop grasping at straws!

We already know that the Citadel protected Shep from the explosion (we see it clearly in the breath-cutscene, the rubbles are from the Citadel) and the Synthesis is the best ending (proven by the guide).

Furthermore if Shep was indoctrinated why the VI on Thessia didn't detect it ?

[Karolus_V]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Ugh. I don't know why some of you guys still try to convince the literalists. It just isn't worth it.   Most of them are like DukeofNukes, so dead set on their vitriol that it's impossible to have a civil conversation because if you try to point out that maybe, just MAYBE, there was a twist they didn't see, then they throw a tantrum because you're spoiling their hating party.  You can have a more intellectual conversation with starbrat and he tells you that jumping into a beam will cause all the leaves in the galaxy to have printed goddamn circuitry on them.
And then there's the "grasping at straws lulz" bit.  Jesus.  I'd compare it to trying to converse with a parrot, but parrots are actually very smart and some of them do understand what they're saying.  No, I guess it's more like having a conversation with a tape recorder on loop.

Really, I don't see the point in trying to discuss it out of the main IT thread.  There's already so much evidence that if people still don't think it's likely or even possible, then they either don't care enough to read the real evidence or they're one of the many that simply can't accept the hints were there and they failed to pick up on them.

Oh, and no, there's nothing solid to say Harbinger isn't the Prothean Reaper.  The only two points against it are ME3's codex on Harbinger and EDI's comment at the proto-Reaper in ME2.  Both of which are clearly worded as to not be concrete facts but assumptions.

You still believe in IT? Snap out of it! The game is clearly rushed. Stop grasping at straws!

We already know that the Citadel protected Shep from the explosion (we see it clearly in the breath-cutscene, the rubbles are from the Citadel) and the Synthesis is the best ending (proven by the guide).

Furthermore if Shep was indoctrinated why the VI on Thessia didn't detect it ?

Indoctrination isnt a state of yes or no. It can be gradual, so it can be, that the VI doesnt detect it unless it has reached certain point.Maybe after all that time isnt exactly in the best state. Or could be human physiology , being diferent from the proteans, make sharder to detect a subtle indoctrination.

  The rubbles..who knows well see.

[DukeOfNukes]

Rifneno wrote...

Ugh. I don't know why some of you guys still try to convince the literalists. It just isn't worth it.   Most of them are like DukeofNukes, so dead set on their vitriol that it's impossible to have a civil conversation because if you try to point out that maybe, just MAYBE, there was a twist they didn't see, then they throw a tantrum because you're spoiling their hating party.  You can have a more intellectual conversation with starbrat and he tells you that jumping into a beam will cause all the leaves in the galaxy to have printed goddamn circuitry on them.

Look man, you're going to call me out like that without even trying to converse with me first? You don't know ANYTHING about me, let alone how stubborn I can be.

My argument wasn't even that the IT wasn't true, it's that you all are actively attacking people for saying that BioWare messed up. At this point, it's not even up for argument that they messed up...it's plain and simple fact. Whether they just failed miserably at the writing portion, or if they misjudged the reaction their audience would have, or if they just failed to communicate properly with their community.

What I said in regards to the IT is that, it would be awesome if it were the case, but I doubt anyone at BioWare put that much thought into threading it throughout the story. At this point, they wouldn't be able to convince everybody that they had intended it, on the rare chance that they do include it in the EC.

[jsadalia]

Trying to squeeze this much meaning from a series of codes that literally ends with a red herring seems to be missing the point a little...

[Kusy]

Karolus_V wrote...
Indoctrination isnt a state of yes or no. It can be gradual, so it can be, that the VI doesnt detect it unless it has reached certain point.Maybe after all that time isnt exactly in the best state. Or could be human physiology , being diferent from the proteans, make sharder to detect a subtle indoctrination.

Dude... read yourself. Just do it and tell me you are not diggint for hope deeper than it would make sense.

Hope is the mother of stupid. Too bad it also dies last. 

[Elyiia]

So Aequitas could be just foreshadowing of control, synthesis and destroy.
The MI6 and London foreshadows the final fight in London.

And I might be wrong, but isn't the Catalyst plot itself a red herring? We're looking for a device that we already have and when we discover what it is we lose it.

[balance5050]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...
Indoctrination isnt a state of yes or no. It can be gradual, so it can be, that the VI doesnt detect it unless it has reached certain point.Maybe after all that time isnt exactly in the best state. Or could be human physiology , being diferent from the proteans, make sharder to detect a subtle indoctrination.

Dude... read yourself. Just do it and tell me you are not diggint for hope deeper than it would make sense.

Hope is the mother of stupid. Too bad it also dies last. 

Well you're just a big bowl of sunshine aren't you?

[AntonioA9011]

eddieoctane wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

I think I can begin to understand why:

I still don't understand what is supposed to be so hot about that picture. Part of me hopes she got shocked by licking electronics. The other part hopes she got dissentary from it. You know how many people take cell phones and such into bathrooms?

Eddie, it's a live action pic of Diana Allers licking her Omni-Tool.

Modifié par AntonioA9011, 21 mai 2012 - 02:44 .

[The Edge]

This is very interesting... If this was all on purpose, Bioware deserves alot of credit.

If it isn't... well, that would be a waste...

[jsadalia]

TSA_383 wrote...



The second code is this:

More binary, this time: 0010110100110001001100100011100000101110001101011011000001000110
This decodes to give -128.5°F

Interestingly, although this wasn't worked out at the time, there's a planet in the mass effect series called Aequitas, with a temperature that works out to -128.5°F and which is described as having famous iron canyons.

Mass Effect Wikia gives the surface temperature of Aequitas as -85C, which translates to -121F, not -128.5F.  A small difference in temperature, but not the sort of mistake you'd expect BioWare to make if this were significant.

[Uncle Jo]

Bill Casey wrote...

*facepalm*

Look up the definition of indoctrinated...

Karolus_V wrote...

Indoctrination isnt a state of
yes or no. It can be gradual, so it can be, that the VI doesnt detect it
unless it has reached certain point.Maybe after all that time isnt
exactly in the best state. Or could be human physiology , being diferent
from the proteans, make sharder to detect a subtle indoctrination.
The rubbles..who knows well see.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]

I did. That's why I'm telling this. And don't give the Object Rho in Arrival. What if we played the ME2 without it ? No way it happened, it's not canon. There is one attempt and it's on the Citadel when TIM try to indoctrinate you thanks to his new Reaper upgrades. He can also control Anderson. I don't need another evidence.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 21 mai 2012 - 02:52 .

[Karolus_V]

[quote]Mr.Kusy wrote...

[quote]Karolus_V wrote...
Indoctrination isnt a state of yes or no. It can be gradual, so it can be, that the VI doesnt detect it unless it has reached certain point.Maybe after all that time isnt exactly in the best state. Or could be human physiology , being diferent from the proteans, make sharder to detect a subtle indoctrination.
[/quote]

Dude... read yourself. Just do it and tell me you are not diggint for hope deeper than it would make sense.

Hope is the mother of stupid. Too bad it also dies last. 

[/quote]


Ehm...NO. But people are saying this proves that, this disproves that other, WITHOUT thinking  other possible explanations for the behaviour, or whatever the "fact" they are talking. Think about...the prothean VI in Ilos. It wasnt in its best state, it could have damaged memory banks before the Asari learned how to maintain it. 

My english isnt all the good I would like, but perhaps you are willing to jump to conclusions everytime you see someone saying anything remotely suportive of IT. And yes, now I am making assumptions(only to be even ;D)
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Uncle Jo, your style of quoting makes my "speculate" wtf is going on, can you clarify?

[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...

[quote]Bill Casey wrote...

*facepalm*

Look up the definition of indoctrinated...

[quote]Karolus_V wrote...

Indoctrination isnt a state of
yes or no. It can be gradual, so it can be, that the VI doesnt detect it
unless it has reached certain point.Maybe after all that time isnt
exactly in the best state. Or could be human physiology , being diferent
from the proteans, make sharder to detect a subtle indoctrination.
The rubbles..who knows well see.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]


[quote]
I
did. That's why I'm telling this. And don't give the Object Rho in
Arrival. What if we played the ME2 without it ? No way it happened, it's
not canon. There is one attempt and it's on the Citadel when TIM try to
indoctrinate you thanks to his new Reaper upgrades. He can also control
Anderson. I don't need another evidence.
[/quote]

Modifié par Karolus_V, 21 mai 2012 - 02:52 .

[balance5050]

jsadalia wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...



The second code is this:

More binary, this time: 0010110100110001001100100011100000101110001101011011000001000110
This decodes to give -128.5°F

Interestingly, although this wasn't worked out at the time, there's a planet in the mass effect series called Aequitas, with a temperature that works out to -128.5°F and which is described as having famous iron canyons.

Mass Effect Wikia gives the surface temperature of Aequitas as -85C, which translates to -121F, not -128.5F.  A small difference in temperature, but not the sort of mistake you'd expect BioWare to make if this were significant.

We should figure out the meaning right here right now then.

Modifié par balance5050, 21 mai 2012 - 02:51 .

[eddieoctane]

Uncle Jo wrote...

You still believe in IT? Snap out of it! The game is clearly rushed. Stop grasping at straws!

We already know that the Citadel protected Shep from the explosion (we see it clearly in the breath-cutscene, the rubbles are from the Citadel) and the Synthesis is the best ending (proven by the guide).

Furthermore if Shep was indoctrinated why the VI on Thessia didn't detect it ?

Edit: Anyways how ya doing? And still with you on the Prothean Reaper...

1. BioWare has refused to discredit IT. Until then, it is just as valid of an interpretation of the events in-game as a literal one. It's nto grasping at straws, no more than people who are saying "That's all the game will be and destroying the backbone of galactic civilization is not depressing in the least".

2. I'd like to know what source says that the Citadel somehow protected Shepard from the explosion. The only possible one would be an individual's twitter feed, which have also stated that rebuilding the relays is possible, that a reunion with crew is possible, and have refused to comment on IT. Furthermore, the guide would have to be written in ignorance of IT as future content, else it would have given everythign away on launch day.

3. IT doesn't explicitly state that Shep was indoctrinated. It states he is resisting indoctrination. If there isn't a minimum exposure value to Reaper tech that cause indoctrination, the survivors of Eden Prime in ME1, whoever you took aboard the derelict Reaper in ME2, and anyone who has come to even remote contact with Reaper tech are nothing more than ticking timebombs. But if there is a minimum amount of effort the Reapers need to put into controllign an individual, and they didn't have enough time to do so to Shepard, the ending may be a final, desperate attempt by Harbinger to finally break Shepard. The Vi on Thessia didn't react because he hadn't broken yet.

4. There is no Prothean Reaper.

[Bill Casey]

Alright...
Tell me what indoctrinated means...

[Kusy]

balance5050 wrote...
Well you're just a big bowl of sunshine aren't you?

What am I supposed to be happy for? That I payed good money, for a good game, to end a great experience with one of the greatest series I have seen, just to be brutally reminded of how world works, and how gaming industry doesn't give a single **** about it's customers because huge majority of said customers are acting like cattle?

People who are willing to forget and forgive are the reason publishers go out of their way to ruin their fun with the end product by rushing games, sick marketing schemes, online passes and DRM.

Guess where people who actually priase said publishers for doing so stand on my ladder of love and friendship.

[Karolus_V]

balance5050 wrote...

jsadalia wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...



The second code is this:

More binary, this time: 0010110100110001001100100011100000101110001101011011000001000110
This decodes to give -128.5°F

Interestingly, although this wasn't worked out at the time, there's a planet in the mass effect series called Aequitas, with a temperature that works out to -128.5°F and which is described as having famous iron canyons.

Mass Effect Wikia gives the surface temperature of Aequitas as -85C, which translates to -121F, not -128.5F.  A small difference in temperature, but not the sort of mistake you'd expect BioWare to make if this were significant.

We should figure out the meaning right here right now then.

-128.6 isnt that the coldest temp. recorded on earth?

P.D:someone has to post a screenshot of Aethyas entry in mass effect 1.

Modifié par Karolus_V, 21 mai 2012 - 02:57 .

[balance5050]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
Well you're just a big bowl of sunshine aren't you?

What am I supposed to be happy for? That I payed good money, for a good game, to end a great experience with one of the greatest series I have seen, just to be brutally reminded of how world works, and how gaming industry doesn't give a single **** about it's customers because huge majority of said customers are acting like cattle?

People who are willing to forget and forgive are the reason publishers go out of their way to ruin their fun with the end product by rushing games, sick marketing schemes, online passes and DRM.

Guess where people who actually priase said publishers for doing so stand on my ladder of love and friendship.

It's only going to get worse before it gets better.

http://www.forbes.co...ote-of-the-day/