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[ChickenMan77]

In game me2 and 3 both list the planet as -85C..couldn't tell you about ME1 though don't own it....

[eddieoctane]

TSA_383 wrote...

Importantly though, the logic I used in my initial conclusions still holds true.

I used the -89 thing because that appears on several gaming sites that reported the leaks in late 2010... why someone later edited it I have no idea.

Reminds me of something one of my lecturers did last year though, he wrote a tutorial that was due in the following dayon a certain application of vorticity. Then he edited the wikipedia article from home to make it incorrect as a reminder to his students not to trust wiki without sources

That might actually construe vandalism under Wikipedia's policies. If so, your teacher may have taken a big risk and put the school at risk. Good point, though.

[QwertyMusicMan]

1) Serious props for the NIN Year Zero reference

2) Oh my god, dude. If this is all a coincidence, I'll be damned... I mean, I don't know if I believe in IT but really, it's getting hard not to.

[Kusy]

Opsrbest wrote...

Activision and Blizzard do not have anywhere near the same relationship as Bioware/EA. EA owns Bioware entirely, Activision gave Blizzard it's autonomy.

lol. Blizzard and Activision are equals. Activision does not own Blizzard and Blizzard does not own Activision. They were merged by the company that owns them both... and that is Vivendi.

Those are two separate STUDIOS that were legally merged... not a publisher and a developer owned by it.



On a sidenote. I heard they found a new chamber in the Cheops Pyramid. There were hieroglyphs suggesting that the IT might be true. It adds up. BioWare is brilliant! The have been forshadowing this at least for 4,5k years!

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 21 mai 2012 - 04:33 .

[DukeOfNukes]

jsadalia wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

However, a lot of Mass Effect was ripped out of Stargate...

I always thought it had more of Babylon 5 in it: ancient powerful evil reawakening (shadows/reapers), wise elder face (minbari-asari), a war early in humanity's space travels (first contact war/earth-minbari war), ancient secrets buried on Mars (shadow ship/prothean ruins).  Even the shape of the citadel is sort of a half-open B5.

I always felt that the series had a lot in common with Freespace: The Ancients were a race that was annihilated several thousands of years earlier by the Shivans, an unknowable alien race. The Ancients mastered subspace using gateways, and possibly helped "lift up" the Vasudans...a race that was already traveling the stars when we entered the galactic stage.

Upon meeting the Vasudans (which actually look quite a bit like Turians), we engaged in hostilities. We eventually called for a peace, when it became known it was mutually beneficial. It took our combined might, along with the knowledge we found of the eradicated Ancients, to destroy a single Shivan destroyer.

When the Shivans retaliated, they did so in greater numbers, with more powerful ships than before. Our new ship, which was designed in alliance between the Terrans and the Vasudans, was ultimately overwhelmed and destroyed.

The final mission of Freespace 2 could be met with personal failure...while you achieve your goals, it's possible to die in doing so. If you do not make it back to the Subspace Node in time, then the game ends, and the end-level briefing mentions you post-humanously recieving a medal.

[eddieoctane]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Activision and Blizzard do not have anywhere near the same relationship as Bioware/EA. EA owns Bioware entirely, Activision gave Blizzard it's autonomy.

lol. Blizzard and Activision are equals. Activision does not own Blizzard and Blizzard does not own Activision. They were merged by the company that owns them both... and that is Vivendi.

Those are two separate STUDIOS that were legally merged... not a publisher and a developer owned by it.



On a sidenote. I heard they found a new chamber in the Cheops Pyramid. There were hieroglyphs suggesting that the IT might be true. It adds up. BioWare is brilliant! The have been forshadowing this at least for 4,5k years!

1: Activision merged with Vivendi. Blizzard was a subsidiary. Activision agreeing not to touch it was part of the merger.

2: The pyramid quote was unnecessary and rather dickish. If that's how you want to play things, you can;t complain when IT supporters flame the crap out of you.

[Kusy]

It was not a merge. Vivendi is Activision's owner. What they did was merging one of their subdivisions (Vivendi Games) with Activision and then merged Blizzard Entertainment and Activision into Activision Blizzard.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 21 mai 2012 - 04:48 .

[eddieoctane]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

*snip*
I always felt that the series had a lot in common with Freespace

Stargate predates Freespace. And as I said, Shepard, Anderson, and firing a superweapon through the network were all Stargate references.

[BluSoldier]

This seems to support the theory that Bioware had originally intended the IT, but then scrapped it.

[Kusy]

^How exactly?

I mean, why should I discard tons of garbage advertising and forcefull marketing that suggested they had absolutely no idea what they were doing in favor of an image of a fish?

BioWre never was consequent with marketing. Biggest dissapointment for me in this regard was when they hyped out Legion as somewhat obsessed with Shepard and suggested he would play a greater role in ME2 but then decided to scrap that idea... too bad marketing already released those two trailers.

Mass Effect 1 trailer showing an entire planet that never ended up in the game? How surprising.

And here we are, discussing an immage of a fish being proof that they had some grand plan for it all... I'm sure that ****ty book was part of it, right? Because that incident really showed how much EA/BioWare cares about maketing and lore consistency.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 21 mai 2012 - 04:58 .

[elegolas1]

[DukeOfNukes]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Mass Effect 1 trailer showing an entire planet that never ended up in the game? How surprising.

Which are we talking about exactly? The "Distress Call" TV spot was awesome...and it mentioned a planet called...Calistan? Where you saw Noveria (clearly not an ice planet) being blown up and abandoning it for Calistan...but that's the only planet I remember them actually advertising.

[Janus Prospero]

ChickenMan77 wrote...

In game me2 and 3 both list the planet as -85C..couldn't tell you about ME1 though don't own it....

This is true. Aequitas is listed as -85 C in both ME2 and ME3 (See images below). It doesn't appear in ME1. So I don't know how anyone got -89 C from it.

ME2:


ME3:


It's an interesting theory but -128.5 F is way too specific to be a mistake. It being the coldest temperature recorded on Earth probably alludes to Earth being a major focal point in the game. The reference to the SIS alludes to the UK, and the reference to The Clash album and subsequent song narrows it down to London, in which not only the trailer takes place, but the final mission in the game as well.

The Iron reference is an interesting one though. Not sure how that comes into the picture.

Modifié par Janus Prospero, 21 mai 2012 - 05:24 .

[Kusy]

Janus Prospero wrote...

ChickenMan77 wrote...

In game me2 and 3 both list the planet as -85C..couldn't tell you about ME1 though don't own it....

This is true. Aequitas is listed as -85 C in both ME2 and ME3 (See images below). It doesn't appear in ME1. So I don't know how anyone got -89 C from it.

He was staring at the -85 with an urge to connect it to anything long enough to make the 5 flip and evolve into 9 to fit the teory. Easy.

What is the dictionary definition of word "elude"?

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 21 mai 2012 - 05:22 .

[eddieoctane]

Janus Prospero wrote...

*snip*

It's an interesting theory but -128.5 F is way too specific to be a mistake. It being the coldest temperature recorded on Earth probably eludes to Earth being a major focal point in the game. The reference to the SIS eludes to the UK, and the reference to The Clash album and subsequent song narrows it down to London, in which not only the trailer takes place, but the final mission in the game as well.

The Iron reference is an interesting one though. Not sure how that comes into the picture.

Iron-rich metal are ferrous. Perhaps a reference to the planet Feros.

-128.5F is the coldest temp recorded on Earth. All of Noveria may as well be Antarctica.

Maybe it's all just a trying to bring the game full circle. Or the red herring means one or more of the clues is intended to mislead.

[Janus Prospero]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

He was staring at the -85 with an urge to connect it to anything long enough to make the 5 flip and evolve into 9 to fit the teory. Easy.

Well I did notice that the original entry for Aequitas created back in January of 2010 has the temperature at -89 C. I'm going to assume that someone just fat fingered it when they originally entered it in. Then when people were trying to find meaning in the QR codes, they were digging through the wiki and just stumbled across the bad info.

Mr.Kusy wrote...

What is the dictionary definition of word "elude"?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

ETA: Dammit eddie, you foiled my edit.

Modifié par Janus Prospero, 21 mai 2012 - 05:29 .

[Leafs43]

As much as I would like to delve into this subject, isn;t this possibly just a pre-announcement campaign?

I mean all this stuff came out in 2010. ME3 was announced in 2011.

[eddieoctane]

Leafs43 wrote...

As much as I would like to delve into this subject, isn;t this possibly just a pre-announcement campaign?

I mean all this stuff came out in 2010. ME3 was announced in 2011.

It's specualtion on the depth of preparation BioWare put into the marketing campaign for Me3. Bungie has done huge campaigns with tremendous success. BioWare has produced rather detailed narratives in the past. To have something prepared years in advance would mean that BioWare are actually masters of their craft in spite of EA's invovlement, rather than a studio melting under their new corporate masters.

[RaidShock]

Alas, the temperature discrepancy makes this much less relevant.

[Kusy]

eddieoctane wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

As much as I would like to delve into this subject, isn;t this possibly just a pre-announcement campaign?

I mean all this stuff came out in 2010. ME3 was announced in 2011.

It's specualtion on the depth of preparation BioWare put into the marketing campaign for Me3. Bungie has done huge campaigns with tremendous success. BioWare has produced rather detailed narratives in the past. To have something prepared years in advance would mean that BioWare are actually masters of their craft in spite of EA's invovlement, rather than a studio melting under their new corporate masters.

Question is, are you willing to believe they had any a marketing campaing prepared years in advance, judging from what their marketing showed thus far.

[Rifneno]

Atakuma wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

No, they can't. I mean it's not like they planted the seeds for this back in ME1. No, everything's because Bioware is Lazy™. Coffee is cold? BW's lazy. Car won't start? BW is lazy.

How does that even relate to the I.T.? That makes more compelling evidence for the ending being real.

Opps, I forgot I have to spell everything out precisely because I'm not in the IT thread.
He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "machine devils."
He claims he had a vision. I.e. a hallucination. We therefor have precedent for the cluster**** of lunacy that Shepard sees on the "Citadel" and that in the only other case known, it wasn't actually real.

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Look man, you're going to call me out like that without even trying to converse with me first? You don't know ANYTHING about me, let alone how stubborn I can be.

My argument wasn't even that the IT wasn't true, it's that you all are actively attacking people for saying that BioWare messed up. At this point, it's not even up for argument that they messed up...it's plain and simple fact. Whether they just failed miserably at the writing portion, or if they misjudged the reaction their audience would have, or if they just failed to communicate properly with their community.

What I said in regards to the IT is that, it would be awesome if it were the case, but I doubt anyone at BioWare put that much thought into threading it throughout the story. At this point, they wouldn't be able to convince everybody that they had intended it, on the rare chance that they do include it in the EC.

I knew all I needed to know the first time I say you whining about how you hate ITers for being apologists. So I'm showing you the same respect you've shown us: none. BW doesn't need apologists because they didn't screw up. Oh, they misjudged the fans' reactions but I'd say the fact they didn't anticipate the community throwing a temper tantrum big enough to get on major news agencies or complaining to the FTC isn't a screw up their part. It's a screw up on the fans' part. You need an apologist.

You're right though, not everyone will believe IT was intended if they reveal it so. Then again, not everyone believes Elvis is dead. And don't flatter yourself by saying there's a difference.

jsadalia wrote...

That lowest temperature was recorded at Lake Vostok. Vostok is a system in Mass Effect, with little going on except an ExoGeni mission in ME1. It's about thorian creepers, and has nothing to do with reapers or indoctrination that I can see.

Incorporating these codes into IT seems a stretch, to say the least.

True. I mean it's not like Shiala, the asari that Saren traded the Thorian, is one of only two known cases (the other being the original rachni queen) of someone fighting off indoctrination.

[Destructorlio]

xsdob wrote...

I do not feel strongly about the IT one way or the other. I find the images interesting but neither a confirmation or denial of the IT.

Neutral.

While I do believe in IT, I recognize that neutrality is the best state to be in and applaud your stance.

Mr.Kusy wrote...

How does "a new high-water of unpleased, disappointed fans expressing themselves online rather than building idols for a company that has failed to deliver like any good fanboy should" sounds to you?

 

Honestly, you might be right, but we can only tell after EC is delivered. There is literally no advantage to assuming IT is not true. Bioware will only be compounding their error if it is not, so we'll still be in the situation we're already in now. But if IT is true, then they will totally vindicate themselves in my eyes, though not in everyone's.

Bill Casey wrote...

Alright...
Tell me what indoctrinated means...

 

I think it means that you are now under Reaper control. Shepard was NOT under Reaper control when the VI scanned him, so of course it didn't detect that he was indoctrinated. You only become indoctrinated if you choose Control or Synthesis. If the VI scanned him AFTER that, it would detect that he was indoctrinated. If it scanned him before that, it would detect that he wasn't (which it did), because he was not indoctrinated AT THAT TIME.

[Destructorlio]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You guys are gasping for straws....

They're called Emergency Induction Ports!

[Destructorlio]

BluSoldier wrote...

This seems to support the theory that Bioware had originally intended the IT, but then scrapped it.

This theory makes no sense to me. If they were smart enough to think up IT in the first place, why would they scrap it for no reason? It's brilliant.

[Rifneno]

Destructorlio wrote...

BluSoldier wrote...

This seems to support the theory that Bioware had originally intended the IT, but then scrapped it.

This theory makes no sense to me. If they were smart enough to think up IT in the first place, why would they scrap it for no reason? It's brilliant.

It stems from the Final Hours app where they said they scrapped a part where the Reapers had total control of Shepard's body because they couldn't figure out how to make it work from a technical standpoint.  Or something along those lines, I'm paraphrasing.  Anyway, it only said they scrapped that particular part, not indoctrination altogether.  It also had "First Matrix ending" written on the scrap of paper.  A movie that ended with the main character being given a choice between blue, which would put him in blissful ignorant dreamland, or red, which would help bring him back to reality.  But I'm sure that doesn't mean anything.