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[LucasShark]

Okay: Let's say everything the IT theorists are spouting is right: their little theory is correct and I'm stupid, and my mother was a ****, and everything else they've told me is correct.  And I'm being VERY generous here considering the last piece of "evidence" I saw was a bloke realizing that the citadel tower chamber kind of sort of looks like a reaper if you squint and have pink-eye.

Now here's the problem I want them all to admit to right now: IT IS NOT, repeat IS NOT an ending.

Should IT be correct, and you "win" by choosing destroy the reapers, and Shepard wakes up: where do we wake up?  We are plonked back onto Earth, MID-BATTLE no less, with a no doubt wounded team and reaprs everywhere.  This isn't a situation that five minuts, or een 10 minutes of cutscenes or quick time events could fix.  This is still a story written into a hole.

This will lead to one of two things: more post-credits DLC content, which will likely be paid for, or a new game entirely.  This means Bioware lied, fundamentally in nearly all their promo material and all the raming that went into ME3.  It also means, that if these items are not free, I will not get them, and even then: they will have to be delivered to my door, with chocolates and appologies before I purchase another Bioware product ever again.

[antony1197]

The sad thing is NONE of them ever can admit it...

[Jawsomebob]

Was the ending an ending? I think people are only doing I.T so much to try to convince the devs to get on board with it rather then just ad some crappy clarity and closure.

[Jawsomebob]

LucasShark wrote...

Okay: Let's say everything the IT theorists are spouting is right: their little theory is correct and I'm stupid, and my mother was a ****, and everything else they've told me is correct.  And I'm being VERY generous here considering the last piece of "evidence" I saw was a bloke realizing that the citadel tower chamber kind of sort of looks like a reaper if you squint and have pink-eye.

Now here's the problem I want them all to admit to right now: IT IS NOT, repeat IS NOT an ending.

Should IT be correct, and you "win" by choosing destroy the reapers, and Shepard wakes up: where do we wake up?  We are plonked back onto Earth, MID-BATTLE no less, with a no doubt wounded team and reaprs everywhere.  This isn't a situation that five minuts, or een 10 minutes of cutscenes or quick time events could fix.  This is still a story written into a hole.

This will lead to one of two things: more post-credits DLC content, which will likely be paid for, or a new game entirely.  This means Bioware lied, fundamentally in nearly all their promo material and all the raming that went into ME3.  It also means, that if these items are not free, I will not get them, and even then: they will have to be delivered to my door, with chocolates and appologies before I purchase another Bioware product ever again.

Who cares. It would be better then what we have now. I would rather be lied to then have my shepard deal with the crap ending he has now.

[dreman9999]

And the common answer from all pro-ITers is EC will add that ending... Like it's doing now.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

I can't believe this IT theory thing is still going on.
I can tell you right now how its wrong
According to the IT, if you choose synthesis or control your indoctrinated. And BW stated that their will only be cutscenes maybe with dialogue option but point being the ending is not being changed. So that if the IT would be true, it would ruin their ending, because everyone would choose destroy, and Synthesis and Control would result in the same thing.

[Unholyknight800]

So why are people still debating IT?

[LucasShark]

dreman9999 wrote...

And the common answer from all pro-ITers is EC will add that ending... Like it's doing now.

They are adding CUTSCENES!  Not gameplay.

[D.Sharrah]

LucasShark wrote...

Okay: Let's say everything the IT theorists are spouting is right: their little theory is correct and I'm stupid, and my mother was a ****, and everything else they've told me is correct.  And I'm being VERY generous here considering the last piece of "evidence" I saw was a bloke realizing that the citadel tower chamber kind of sort of looks like a reaper if you squint and have pink-eye.

Now here's the problem I want them all to admit to right now: IT IS NOT, repeat IS NOT an ending.

Should IT be correct, and you "win" by choosing destroy the reapers, and Shepard wakes up: where do we wake up?  We are plonked back onto Earth, MID-BATTLE no less, with a no doubt wounded team and reaprs everywhere.  This isn't a situation that five minuts, or een 10 minutes of cutscenes or quick time events could fix.  This is still a story written into a hole.

This will lead to one of two things: more post-credits DLC content, which will likely be paid for, or a new game entirely.  This means Bioware lied, fundamentally in nearly all their promo material and all the raming that went into ME3.  It also means, that if these items are not free, I will not get them, and even then: they will have to be delivered to my door, with chocolates and appologies before I purchase another Bioware product ever again.

This actually is one of the things that is heavily speculated on by IT theorists...in fact one of the most recent discussions has been about how IT was supposed to tie into the overall marketing of the game and the marketing of the DLC...the general thought IT was planned and the community was supposed to figure out that something was off...and that the events on ANN (Alliance News Network),  and the MP expansions would eventually tie in with the "timeline" of the SP game, culminating in post ending DLC that continued/concluded the story.  In fact, I have never gotten the impression from anyone that leaves me thinking that they think IT is an "ending" - but more of a bridge to the truly epic conclusion the trilogy deserves.

[ZerebusPrime]

Unholyknight800 wrote...

So why are people still debating IT?

It's fun!

And yes, Indoctrination Theory as I understand it has long been built around the ending being a nonending... which is certainly how it felt.

[Encarmine]

IT is the biggest and most extraordinary case of collective denial i have seen come from gaming fans ever in my life.

The inability to accept a product was below expectation has had some marvelous side effects. IT being the biggest one, its like a whacky commune on a forum no less.

Collective Insanity describes very well, the group of people who cannot simply accept Bioware uses them for money and nothing else.

[Mahrac]

Unholyknight800 wrote...

So why are people still debating IT?

Because we have no life and we like at argue, flame, and insult

[LucasShark]

Unholyknight800 wrote...

So why are people still debating IT?

Because some would rather believe the world rests on turtles than accept that nothing is holding it up..

[mupp3tz]

LucasShark wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And the common answer from all pro-ITers is EC will add that ending... Like it's doing now.

They are adding CUTSCENES!  Not gameplay.

... not to mention the fact that EC is a new development and all DLC that was originally planned was set before the ending.  Essentially, you get no ending.

[LucasShark]

D.Sharrah wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Okay: Let's say everything the IT theorists are spouting is right: their little theory is correct and I'm stupid, and my mother was a ****, and everything else they've told me is correct.  And I'm being VERY generous here considering the last piece of "evidence" I saw was a bloke realizing that the citadel tower chamber kind of sort of looks like a reaper if you squint and have pink-eye.

Now here's the problem I want them all to admit to right now: IT IS NOT, repeat IS NOT an ending.

Should IT be correct, and you "win" by choosing destroy the reapers, and Shepard wakes up: where do we wake up?  We are plonked back onto Earth, MID-BATTLE no less, with a no doubt wounded team and reaprs everywhere.  This isn't a situation that five minuts, or een 10 minutes of cutscenes or quick time events could fix.  This is still a story written into a hole.

This will lead to one of two things: more post-credits DLC content, which will likely be paid for, or a new game entirely.  This means Bioware lied, fundamentally in nearly all their promo material and all the raming that went into ME3.  It also means, that if these items are not free, I will not get them, and even then: they will have to be delivered to my door, with chocolates and appologies before I purchase another Bioware product ever again.

This actually is one of the things that is heavily speculated on by IT theorists...in fact one of the most recent discussions has been about how IT was supposed to tie into the overall marketing of the game and the marketing of the DLC...the general thought IT was planned and the community was supposed to figure out that something was off...and that the events on ANN (Alliance News Network),  and the MP expansions would eventually tie in with the "timeline" of the SP game, culminating in post ending DLC that continued/concluded the story.  In fact, I have never gotten the impression from anyone that leaves me thinking that they think IT is an "ending" - but more of a bridge to the truly epic conclusion the trilogy deserves.

... that is... so stupid...  THt would be the worst marketing decision ever made by a human being.

[T1l]

I'm sure someone from Bioware basically let the cat out of the bag and stated that the Indoctrination Theroy was exactly that, a theroy and nothing more. The thing that really pains me about the Indoctrination Theroy is that it makes the most devoted fans of the series in to schitzophrenics who hear and see things which aren't actually there because the ending was, in fact, THAT bad.

[ZerebusPrime]

LucasShark wrote...

Unholyknight800 wrote...

So why are people still debating IT?

Because some would rather believe the world rests on turtles than accept that nothing is holding it up..

Do not mock the world turtle!

 

[Zardoc]

LucasShark wrote...

Okay: Let's say everything the IT theorists are spouting is right: their little theory is correct and I'm stupid, and my mother was a ****, and everything else they've told me is correct.  And I'm being VERY generous here considering the last piece of "evidence" I saw was a bloke realizing that the citadel tower chamber kind of sort of looks like a reaper if you squint and have pink-eye.

Now here's the problem I want them all to admit to right now: IT IS NOT, repeat IS NOT an ending.

Should IT be correct, and you "win" by choosing destroy the reapers, and Shepard wakes up: where do we wake up?  We are plonked back onto Earth, MID-BATTLE no less, with a no doubt wounded team and reaprs everywhere.  This isn't a situation that five minuts, or een 10 minutes of cutscenes or quick time events could fix.  This is still a story written into a hole.

This will lead to one of two things: more post-credits DLC content, which will likely be paid for, or a new game entirely.  This means Bioware lied, fundamentally in nearly all their promo material and all the raming that went into ME3.  It also means, that if these items are not free, I will not get them, and even then: they will have to be delivered to my door, with chocolates and appologies before I purchase another Bioware product ever again.

Regardless of the IT, BioWare already did that.

[Bigdoser]

Problem I have is that if the IT theory is true bioware sold me an incomplete game and all the marketing was complete lies.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 21 mai 2012 - 03:14 .

[Zany Jedi]

...wait what? I was aware that ITers since the beginning have been stating that IT isn't an ending. What's all this fuss about?

[-Skorpious-]

I am not a hardcore supporter of the IT, but I have always interpreted the theory as giving Bioware a free opportunity to rewrite the current endings. Basically the game would play as normal, but Shepard would break indoctrination by selecting destroy and then the "real" ending would commence as soon as he wakes up.

If Bioware chooses to expand on the IT, it doesn't have to be exactly as the fans demand or suggest.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 21 mai 2012 - 03:17 .

[Allen Spellwaver]

I don't see the logic of the thread.

[LucasShark]

Zany Jedi wrote...

...wait what? I was aware that ITers since the beginning have been stating that IT isn't an ending. What's all this fuss about?

Have you ever been on the recieving end of a pro-IT rant?  No didn't think so.

[Bigdoser]

T1l wrote...

I'm sure someone from Bioware basically let the cat out of the bag and stated that the Indoctrination Theroy was exactly that, a theroy and nothing more. The thing that really pains me about the Indoctrination Theroy is that it makes the most devoted fans of the series in to schitzophrenics who hear and see things which aren't actually there because the ending was, in fact, THAT bad.

Yup after viewing the final hours app and the so called post by weekes the ending is literal. The only reason why bioware has not out right said its not true is because it keeps a portion of the fanbase focused on something else other than bioware. 

Modifié par Bigdoser, 21 mai 2012 - 03:24 .

[Had-to-say]

IT provides a way to get new endings that weren't rushed, abrupt and incoherent. IT was never a ending to the game I understood that the first time I considered the theory. I thought the gmae ending was a cliffhanger and I still do. Who ends a trilogy with **** loads of questions?