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[Pockydon]

I don't see how you can say the IT is false! The evidence is right there! Maybe if there was just a few of the clues mentioned it would be false, but look at all the evidence! A guy did a 90 minute video about the indoc theory, and he didn't even list all of the evidence!
The ending as it is sucks balls, and has no place in Mass Effect, and the indoctrination theory is a plausible theory that makes the ending incredibly unique and interesting, and I sincerely hope that if it was Biowares intentions from the beginning, they stick to it.

[NM_Che56]

zambot wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

I.T. is fundamentally flawed, however, I am (still) amazed at how people cling to the last straw of hope against an ending they perceive as wrong, ME fans as a whole are definitely some of the most passionate ones I've ever seen in any media. 

where is the fundemental flaw?

The flaw is exactly what OP is posting about: If IT is true, then ME3 has no ending.  There's no way Bioware shipped a game without an ending to the series, and at the same time told bald faced lies about it ending.  At this point in time, you either have to accept that Bioware did not plan IT, or that they shipped an incomplete game and told a bunch of lies about it in order to conceal the "truth", and give you an ending later (either in the form of DLC or ME4).

It is "possible" that Bioware will embrace IT, then use it to change the ending, however, given things like development funding, burn-out, re-appropriating team members who are now on other projects, I find it extremely unlikely.

So if I accept that Bioware shipped an incomplete game, then IT is no longer flawed? 

On what do you base you confidence that Bioware wouldn't ship an incomplete game?

[llbountyhunter]

zambot wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

I.T. is fundamentally flawed, however, I am (still) amazed at how people cling to the last straw of hope against an ending they perceive as wrong, ME fans as a whole are definitely some of the most passionate ones I've ever seen in any media. 

where is the fundemental flaw?

The flaw is exactly what OP is posting about: If IT is true, then ME3 has no ending.  There's no way Bioware shipped a game without an ending to the series, and at the same time told bald faced lies about it ending.  At this point in time, you either have to accept that Bioware did not plan IT, or that they shipped an incomplete game and told a bunch of lies about it in order to conceal the "truth", and give you an ending later (either in the form of DLC or ME4).

It is "possible" that Bioware will embrace IT, then use it to change the ending, however, given things like development funding, burn-out, re-appropriating team members who are now on other projects, I find it extremely unlikely.

many games have been sold without endings already. and you actually had to PAY for it later on. its the industry satandard now. my guess is that all the fan backlash made us get the IT EC for free.

[RavenEyry]

zambot wrote...

The flaw is exactly what OP is posting about: If IT is true, then ME3 has no ending.  There's no way Bioware shipped a game without an ending to the series, and at the same time told bald faced lies about it ending.  At this point in time, you either have to accept that Bioware did not plan IT, or that they shipped an incomplete game and told a bunch of lies about it in order to conceal the "truth", and give you an ending later (either in the form of DLC or ME4).

Games have been shipped without endings before and Bioware told many bald-faced lies before release if IT isn't true as well.

[Mcfly616]

If you like the IT....go ahead and believe in it until Bioware officially confirms or denies whether its true or not(because they haven't)......and if youre a Pro-Ender, then who cares? Continue to use your imagination to make up what happened after the end credits start rolling, enjoy Matrix Effect 3.....

[NM_Che56]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Master Che wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Actually, I misquoted.

We also have a premise for being able to play ongoing adventures from the perspective of the middle of the game, like we had in Mass Effect 2.

So, yeah.. no ending DLC. This wasn't some grand plan by Bioware.

It just says there will be new game plus and that ON GOING ADVENTURES would take place in the middle of the game.

The EC does not meet the criteria of "on going adventures", ergo, my argument still stands. 

He does go on to say, that it won't be a classic ending where you have to make a choice between a few things...we got red green and blue.

Your argument does not still stand because you clearly say that the ending was *purposely* cut off, because Bioware meant -- from the beginning -- to release the actual ending at a later date.  The EC is product of the backlash.  It was never meant to be or planned beforehand.  Why do you think they have halted every other project just to get it out?  

If they planned it from the get-go... the EC wouldn't warrant a blog post or an acknowledgement of fan discontent and steps to explain what they meant by the ending.  It also would have been out a lot sooner and they wouldn't be recording VA's just now.

The interview flat out says the game goes on: 1) New Game +, or 2) DLC from the middle of the game. The ending wasn't cut out.  It just is.  They didn't have anything planned after you make your final choice.

Whether or not you choose to support IT or not is irrelevant... but please don't try to argue that Bioware had a master scheme and cut out the "ending" on purpose.

You're reading into Mac Walter's interview too much.

Here are my thoughts on EC.

EC is just taking the endings that were going to be serialized (i.e. thrown in as bonus content with SP story DLC) and puts them in one package.  The plan was to work on the EC content gradually and release it just the same.  The outcry forced them to 'reprioritize' their DLC schedule; i.e., shelve everything else for now and focus on the ending stuff.

That's my theory.  Everything I've seen so far, even from other developers, gives me confidence that this was the case.

So that leaves a few options:

1) Believe this
2) Believe that Bioware just lied to us and half assed the ending.

I pick 1.  I suppose you pick 2.

[balance5050]

zambot wrote...


The flaw is exactly what OP is posting about: If IT is true, then ME3 has no ending.  There's no way Bioware shipped a game without an ending to the series, and at the same time told bald faced lies about it ending.  At this point in time, you either have to accept that Bioware did not plan IT, or that they shipped an incomplete game and told a bunch of lies about it in order to conceal the "truth", and give you an ending later (either in the form of DLC or ME4).

It is "possible" that Bioware will embrace IT, then use it to change the ending, however, given things like development funding, burn-out, re-appropriating team members who are now on other projects, I find it extremely unlikely.

Games do that all the time these days.

http://www.cinemable...6-99-40917.html
http://www.gamingnex.../Item26516.aspx
http://www.gamespot....essions-6234008
http://www.eurogamer...nding-explained

Modifié par balance5050, 21 mai 2012 - 05:07 .

[zambot]

Master Che wrote...

zambot wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

I.T. is fundamentally flawed, however, I am (still) amazed at how people cling to the last straw of hope against an ending they perceive as wrong, ME fans as a whole are definitely some of the most passionate ones I've ever seen in any media. 

where is the fundemental flaw?

The flaw is exactly what OP is posting about: If IT is true, then ME3 has no ending.  There's no way Bioware shipped a game without an ending to the series, and at the same time told bald faced lies about it ending.  At this point in time, you either have to accept that Bioware did not plan IT, or that they shipped an incomplete game and told a bunch of lies about it in order to conceal the "truth", and give you an ending later (either in the form of DLC or ME4).

It is "possible" that Bioware will embrace IT, then use it to change the ending, however, given things like development funding, burn-out, re-appropriating team members who are now on other projects, I find it extremely unlikely.

So if I accept that Bioware shipped an incomplete game, then IT is no longer flawed? 

On what do you base you confidence that Bioware wouldn't ship an incomplete game?

You have to accept both that Bioware shipped a game without an ending, and then proceeded to lie about that fact for several months.

I base that on the following observations:
a. Bioware has never shipped a game without an ending.  Some are better than others, but they all ended.
b. I find it highly unlikely that a game with no ending made it through the approval process for a quality company like Bioware
c. After all the hate, there's no way a 100+ person development team could keep a redeeming secret this long. 

[mupp3tz]

Master Che wrote...

You're reading into Mac Walter's interview too much.

Here are my thoughts on EC.

EC is just taking the endings that were going to be serialized (i.e. thrown in as bonus content with SP story DLC) and puts them in one package.  The plan was to work on the EC content gradually and release it just the same.  The outcry forced them to 'reprioritize' their DLC schedule; i.e., shelve everything else for now and focus on the ending stuff.

That's my theory.  Everything I've seen so far, even from other developers, gives me confidence that this was the case.

So that leaves a few options:

1) Believe this
2) Believe that Bioware just lied to us and half assed the ending.

I pick 1.  I suppose you pick 2.

We agree to disagree cordially.  That is completely OK with me.. hah

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Bioware lied to me, but I will say that their recent releases have been less than satisfying or up to par with their past work. 

In the end, we all benefit from EC.  Even those who liked the endings.  A little extra -- FO FREEEEEE -- is always appreciated.  I just hope that they deliver something worthy of the ME franchise.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 21 mai 2012 - 05:12 .

[llbountyhunter]

zambot wrote...

Master Che wrote...

zambot wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

I.T. is fundamentally flawed, however, I am (still) amazed at how people cling to the last straw of hope against an ending they perceive as wrong, ME fans as a whole are definitely some of the most passionate ones I've ever seen in any media. 

where is the fundemental flaw?

The flaw is exactly what OP is posting about: If IT is true, then ME3 has no ending.  There's no way Bioware shipped a game without an ending to the series, and at the same time told bald faced lies about it ending.  At this point in time, you either have to accept that Bioware did not plan IT, or that they shipped an incomplete game and told a bunch of lies about it in order to conceal the "truth", and give you an ending later (either in the form of DLC or ME4).

It is "possible" that Bioware will embrace IT, then use it to change the ending, however, given things like development funding, burn-out, re-appropriating team members who are now on other projects, I find it extremely unlikely.

So if I accept that Bioware shipped an incomplete game, then IT is no longer flawed? 

On what do you base you confidence that Bioware wouldn't ship an incomplete game?

You have to accept both that Bioware shipped a game without an ending, and then proceeded to lie about that fact for several months.

I base that on the following observations:
a. Bioware has never shipped a game without an ending.  Some are better than others, but they all ended.
b. I find it highly unlikely that a game with no ending made it through the approval process for a quality company like Bioware
c. After all the hate, there's no way a 100+ person development team could keep a redeeming secret this long. 

lie? they never lied, if anything they kept hinting at there being more. 



also there wasnt supposed to be that much hate, there was supposed to be specutation (which is was IT'ers are doing) they under-estimated the anger, re-strategized and had to rush the announcement for EC.

[draken-heart]

Pockydon wrote...

I don't see how you can say the IT is false! The evidence is right there! Maybe if there was just a few of the clues mentioned it would be false, but look at all the evidence! A guy did a 90 minute video about the indoc theory, and he didn't even list all of the evidence!
The ending as it is sucks balls, and has no place in Mass Effect, and the indoctrination theory is a plausible theory that makes the ending incredibly unique and interesting, and I sincerely hope that if it was Biowares intentions from the beginning, they stick to it.

As TIM would say: "The pattern is there buried in the data"

[NM_Che56]

zambot wrote...

Master Che wrote...

zambot wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

I.T. is fundamentally flawed, however, I am (still) amazed at how people cling to the last straw of hope against an ending they perceive as wrong, ME fans as a whole are definitely some of the most passionate ones I've ever seen in any media. 

where is the fundemental flaw?

The flaw is exactly what OP is posting about: If IT is true, then ME3 has no ending.  There's no way Bioware shipped a game without an ending to the series, and at the same time told bald faced lies about it ending.  At this point in time, you either have to accept that Bioware did not plan IT, or that they shipped an incomplete game and told a bunch of lies about it in order to conceal the "truth", and give you an ending later (either in the form of DLC or ME4).

It is "possible" that Bioware will embrace IT, then use it to change the ending, however, given things like development funding, burn-out, re-appropriating team members who are now on other projects, I find it extremely unlikely.

So if I accept that Bioware shipped an incomplete game, then IT is no longer flawed? 

On what do you base you confidence that Bioware wouldn't ship an incomplete game?

You have to accept both that Bioware shipped a game without an ending, and then proceeded to lie about that fact for several months.

I base that on the following observations:
a. Bioware has never shipped a game without an ending.  Some are better than others, but they all ended.
b. I find it highly unlikely that a game with no ending made it through the approval process for a quality company like Bioware
c. After all the hate, there's no way a 100+ person development team could keep a redeeming secret this long. 

Problem solved: I accept both that Bioware shipped a game without an ending, and then proceeded to lie about that fact for several months.

a) there's a first time for everything.  How does this stop them from doing it now?
I found it highly unlikely that Bioware would screw up the ending...oops
c) It's only been a few months.  Wait a while longer.  However, I wouldn't say "no way".  We don't know for a fact that there is "no way" this can be done.

[llbountyhunter]

balance5050 wrote...

zambot wrote...


The flaw is exactly what OP is posting about: If IT is true, then ME3 has no ending.  There's no way Bioware shipped a game without an ending to the series, and at the same time told bald faced lies about it ending.  At this point in time, you either have to accept that Bioware did not plan IT, or that they shipped an incomplete game and told a bunch of lies about it in order to conceal the "truth", and give you an ending later (either in the form of DLC or ME4).

It is "possible" that Bioware will embrace IT, then use it to change the ending, however, given things like development funding, burn-out, re-appropriating team members who are now on other projects, I find it extremely unlikely.

Games do that all the time these days.

http://www.cinemable...6-99-40917.html
http://www.gamingnex.../Item26516.aspx
http://www.gamespot....essions-6234008
http://www.eurogamer...nding-explained

balance, do you happen to have a link to that interview with (casey?, not sure who) where they said something along the lines of....

"we wanted to try something different, you do something thinking you defeated the reapers and it turns out to be something else.."   i cant find it....

[Versidious]

If, speaking as an ex-ITer, I can suggest a few fatal flaws: The game tells you that you have won, and defeated the Reapers, after all the cutscenes etc are done; The Reapers' supposedly preferred outcome of synthesis does not occur at lower levels of EMS; Bioware has made a press release saying that the ending will not be changed, and that they liked it, thought it was excellent, etc. And have called it the ending every time they talk about it. If IT was true, it would not be an ending, and the head of the company would not be calling it as such in a press release.

As for why there's IT stuff in the game, well, a lot of the evidence I've seen can be explained by bad writing (Unusual for Bioware, but nobody's perfect, and a lot of players did actually like it) and lazy programming/designing - sadly a common enough feature in Bioware games dating back to the Baldur's Gate series. There was also, apparently, an intention for a section of the game where Shepard was explicitly indoctrinated, but this was cut from the game.

Modifié par Versidious, 21 mai 2012 - 05:17 .

[NM_Che56]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Master Che wrote...

You're reading into Mac Walter's interview too much.

Here are my thoughts on EC.

EC is just taking the endings that were going to be serialized (i.e. thrown in as bonus content with SP story DLC) and puts them in one package.  The plan was to work on the EC content gradually and release it just the same.  The outcry forced them to 'reprioritize' their DLC schedule; i.e., shelve everything else for now and focus on the ending stuff.

That's my theory.  Everything I've seen so far, even from other developers, gives me confidence that this was the case.

So that leaves a few options:

1) Believe this
2) Believe that Bioware just lied to us and half assed the ending.

I pick 1.  I suppose you pick 2.

We agree to disagree cordially.  That is completely OK with me.. hah

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Bioware lied to me, but I will say that their recent releases have been less than satisfying or up to par with their past work. 

In the end, we all benefit from EC.  Even those who liked the endings.  A little extra -- FO FREEEEEE -- is always appreciated.  I just hope that they deliver something worthy of the ME franchise.

I say "lie" to play along.  I think when you have a secret or something big planned, you have to play things close to your chest and be evasive.  It can come off as a lie. 

While we disagree on their strategy, no one can argue that as it stands Bioware failed to deliver on the promises that were made early on relative to the endings.  I'm either forced to believe that they lied (through incompetence, being rushed or deliberately not giving a damn) or there's more to it that we haven't seen yet.

[zambot]

Master Che wrote...

Problem solved: I accept both that Bioware shipped a game without an ending, and then proceeded to lie about that fact for several months.

That's our fundamental difference.  

[balance5050]

llbountyhunter wrote...

balance, do you happen to have a link to that interview with (casey?, not sure who) where they said something along the lines of....

"we wanted to try something different, you do something thinking you defeated the reapers and it turns out to be something else.."   i cant find it....

http://www.gameinfor...nterviewae.aspx 


What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters. 

We end up exploring some spaces that maybe have never been done before. Because interactive storytelling is still kind of new, there are neat things to try. One of the things we’re trying in Mass Effect 3 is the idea that we can let you feel something that is part of that character’s experience versus strictly getting you to react to things that you see and experience. We’re trying to tell a little bit of the story Shepard would feel and seeing if the player feels that as well. You saw that on the Earth mission, and you see it throughout the game. It’s insight into how Shepard feels. I think that’s going to be one of the things people remember. 

Some missions start to shed light on what you need to do. As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else. 

On the one hand, it’s too early to say in the sense that we’ve got to finish Mass Effect 3, but it’s also more online than ever before. We’ve got multiplayer stuff, we’ve got DLC, we’ve got the larger galaxy at war stuff. We’ll be supporting that. We’ve got some really awesome DLC stuff that we’re doing. Our heads are still in that space. 

Modifié par balance5050, 21 mai 2012 - 05:23 .

[llbountyhunter]

Versidious wrote...

If, speaking as an ex-ITer, I can suggest a few fatal flaws: The game tells you that you have won, and defeated the Reapers, after all the cutscenes etc are done; The Reapers' supposedly preferred outcome of synthesis does not occur at lower levels of EMS; Bioware has made a press release saying that the ending will not be changed, and that they liked it, thought it was excellent, etc. And have called it the ending every time they talk about it. If IT was true, it would not be an ending.

As for why there's IT stuff in the game, well, a lot of the evidence I've seen can be explained by bad writing (Unusual for Bioware, but nobody's perfect, and a lot of players did actually like it) and lazy programming/designing - sadly a common enough feature in Bioware games dating back to the Baldur's Gate series. There was also, apparently, an intention for a section of the game where Shepard was explicitly indoctrinated, but this was cut from the game.

1. how is this a flaw?
2. if shepard is trying harder, does it not make sense for the reapers to do the same?
3. when your tricking someone, do you say "oh well I havent finished the prank yet....... but it sucks"
4. IT is not a "new" ending it leaves the current endings as they are and expands on them.

5. not everything.
 how does shepard survive this?

[NM_Che56]

Versidious wrote...

If, speaking as an ex-ITer, I can suggest a few fatal flaws: The game tells you that you have won, and defeated the Reapers, after all the cutscenes etc are done; The Reapers' supposedly preferred outcome of synthesis does not occur at lower levels of EMS; Bioware has made a press release saying that the ending will not be changed, and that they liked it, thought it was excellent, etc. And have called it the ending every time they talk about it. If IT was true, it would not be an ending.

As for why there's IT stuff in the game, well, a lot of the evidence I've seen can be explained by bad writing (Unusual for Bioware, but nobody's perfect, and a lot of players did actually like it) and lazy programming/designing - sadly a common enough feature in Bioware games dating back to the Baldur's Gate series. There was also, apparently, an intention for a section of the game where Shepard was explicitly indoctrinated, but this was cut from the game.

1) I saw that whole "buy DLC" as a bookmark and teaser.  Not part of the ending or how we are to interpret the outcome.

2) IT wouldn't change the ending.  It explains it, especially if this was the idea all along.

3) While lazy writing, bad programming, etc. are possible, I doubt it to be the case.

[Ravellion]

Bigdoser wrote...

Problem I have is that if the IT theory is true bioware sold me an incomplete game and all the marketing was complete lies.

Problem I have is that if the IT theory isn't true bioware sold me an incomplete game and all the marketing was complete lies.

[Vox Draco]

I strongly sympathize with IT, I love the idea, and my game is already incomplete, as I do not own the Day-One-DLC. Also I wouldn't care to pay for additional ending-content including gameplay, why should I? If it fun and entertaining for some hours?

But I still have doubts IT to become reality. And I do not like the attitude of some pro-Itlers claiming everything as FACT. As long as it is not proven, IT is simply a theory, nothing more. A plausible one. A fun to discuss one. A theory that was crafted over weeks now by many different sources and insoired a lot of people to use their fantasy or become creative (youtube), me included (points to signature)

Yet the only thing worse than a fanatical Pro-ITler is an Anti-Itler. The same breed, always stating their opinion is fact, that they know the truth, they know how the world is spinning. And a lot of them behave like IT is a personal insult against them, which is annoying by now...

My advice: Wait, and avoid threads/posts discussing It, might be better for your health. If EC is denying IT then get to the forums and gloat (if anyone is left of the dissapointed Pro-ITLers). And if it confirms IT in a way...and your own perception of the endings is rendered null and void...blame Bioware for tricking you, bot the IT-theorists.

In fact, a lot of the hatred IT gets seemed to be misguided hatred towards Bioware? Some kind of "substitute-war" fought against IT because Bioware isn't responding/around to be the focus of hatred? At least I get this impression by now...not to emntion the ones that are against IT just for the sake of being against something....

But of course another thread will soon pop up, and everything will start anew...talking about cycles of destruction...

[RavenEyry]

Master Che wrote...

1) I saw that whole "buy DLC" as a bookmark and teaser.  Not part of the ending or how we are to interpret the outcome.

Priestly even said the pop-up wasn't at the end. It could be referencing that technically the pop-up is before Chronos station, or it could be something else entirely.

[llbountyhunter]

Vox Draco wrote...

I strongly sympathize with IT, I love the idea, and my game is already incomplete, as I do not own the Day-One-DLC. Also I wouldn't care to pay for additional ending-content including gameplay, why should I? If it fun and entertaining for some hours?

But I still have doubts IT to become reality. And I do not like the attitude of some pro-Itlers claiming everything as FACT. As long as it is not proven, IT is simply a theory, nothing more. A plausible one. A fun to discuss one. A theory that was crafted over weeks now by many different sources and insoired a lot of people to use their fantasy or become creative (youtube), me included (points to signature)

Yet the only thing worse than a fanatical Pro-ITler is an Anti-Itler. The same breed, always stating their opinion is fact, that they know the truth, they know how the world is spinning. And a lot of them behave like IT is a personal insult against them, which is annoying by now...

My advice: Wait, and avoid threads/posts discussing It, might be better for your health. If EC is denying IT then get to the forums and gloat (if anyone is left of the dissapointed Pro-ITLers). And if it confirms IT in a way...and your own perception of the endings is rendered null and void...blame Bioware for tricking you, bot the IT-theorists.

In fact, a lot of the hatred IT gets seemed to be misguided hatred towards Bioware? Some kind of "substitute-war" fought against IT because Bioware isn't responding/around to be the focus of hatred? At least I get this impression by now...not to emntion the ones that are against IT just for the sake of being against something....

But of course another thread will soon pop up, and everything will start anew...talking about cycles of destruction...

the cycle cannot be stopped.

[adembroski]

LucasShark wrote...

Okay: Let's say everything the IT theorists are spouting is right: their little theory is correct and I'm stupid, and my mother was a ****, and everything else they've told me is correct.  And I'm being VERY generous here considering the last piece of "evidence" I saw was a bloke realizing that the citadel tower chamber kind of sort of looks like a reaper if you squint and have pink-eye.

Now here's the problem I want them all to admit to right now: IT IS NOT, repeat IS NOT an ending.

Should IT be correct, and you "win" by choosing destroy the reapers, and Shepard wakes up: where do we wake up?  We are plonked back onto Earth, MID-BATTLE no less, with a no doubt wounded team and reaprs everywhere.  This isn't a situation that five minuts, or een 10 minutes of cutscenes or quick time events could fix.  This is still a story written into a hole.

This will lead to one of two things: more post-credits DLC content, which will likely be paid for, or a new game entirely.  This means Bioware lied, fundamentally in nearly all their promo material and all the raming that went into ME3.  It also means, that if these items are not free, I will not get them, and even then: they will have to be delivered to my door, with chocolates and appologies before I purchase another Bioware product ever again.

I'm sorry? I never heard any IT proponant say it was an ending. That's the entire point. The theory goes that they used indoctrination to create a fake ending... one that would be resolved in future DLC.

Now whether or not that's right is an entirely different argument, but the idea that a different ending would come in the future is hand-in-hand with IT. You don't have one without the other. IT manifestly implies that it's not an ending. You're arguing their precise point.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

balance, do you happen to have a link to that interview with (casey?, not sure who) where they said something along the lines of....

"we wanted to try something different, you do something thinking you defeated the reapers and it turns out to be something else.."   i cant find it....

http://www.gameinfor...nterviewae.aspx 

That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are  or whether you got ending A, B, or C.


Still makes me sad.

Modifié par jijeebo, 21 mai 2012 - 05:29 .