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[hoodaticus]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Sure you could use your imagination if you find yours lacking. But I don't spend $80 to headcannon my own ending to a Trilogy. And when I am inevitablly forced to headcannon anyway because of the pisspoor ending, I don't attempt to convince everyone else that I am the Messiah and have decoded it all.

  64% of this forum believes in IT.  You are the lone nut who believes the endings were literal.  You are the one trying to convince everyone else that you have decoded it all; that you are "the Messiah".

So, irony is definitely on the menu here.

IT is not headcanon.  It's in the game.  That's why the vast majority somehow manage to largely agree on what the endings are - and disagree with you.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 21 mai 2012 - 05:23 .

[jla0644]

Leafs43 wrote...

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

For starters, you could admit that the EC was not planned until weeks after the game was released, and that Bioware had no intention of adding anything to the ending. After admitting that, you could admit that means that if Bioware intended Shep to be indoctrinated, then they gave us a cliffhanger ending that they never planned to resolve.

[Leafs43]

jla0644 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

For starters, you could admit that the EC was not planned until weeks after the game was released, and that Bioware had no intention of adding anything to the ending. After admitting that, you could admit that means that if Bioware intended Shep to be indoctrinated, then they gave us a cliffhanger ending that they never planned to resolve.

Or you can admit EC was planned all along, just like the Mass Effect twitter said before they deleted it.

[hoodaticus]

jla0644 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

For starters, you could admit that the EC was not planned until weeks after the game was released, and that Bioware had no intention of adding anything to the ending. After admitting that, you could admit that means that if Bioware intended Shep to be indoctrinated, then they gave us a cliffhanger ending that they never planned to resolve.

Except that Bioware said that they did toy with IT... which means at
some point it was planned and possibly developed, and it is quite
possible that some of their IT-intended scenes ended up - perhaps
modified - in the final product.

You are the one who has some admissions to make.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 21 mai 2012 - 05:25 .

[PsyrenY]

Leafs43 wrote...

Or you can admit EC was planned all along, just like the Mass Effect twitter said before they deleted it.

It also said Aria was supposed to make an appearance on the Normandy after the Cerberus coup, true story.

[sistersafetypin]

hoodaticus wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Sure you could use your imagination if you find yours lacking. But I don't spend $80 to headcannon my own ending to a Trilogy. And when I am inevitablly forced to headcannon anyway because of the pisspoor ending, I don't attempt to convince everyone else that I am the Messiah and have decoded it all.

  64% of this forum believes in IT.  You are the lone nut who believes the endings were literal.  You are the one trying to convince everyone else that you have decoded it all; that you are "the Messiah".

So, irony is definitely on the menu here.

IT is not headcanon.  It's in the game.  That's why the vast majority somehow manage to largely agree on what the endings are - and disagree with you.

Ok. It actually looks more like 46% of people actually believe IT without reservation. And 41% find IT compelling and it wouldn't mind it's use, but are reserving an opinion.

I would be among those people that believe I.T. is complex and would be brilliant if it was intentional, but I don't believe it is.

And yet that makes me a nut? No, son. That makes me a realist
 

Modifié par sistersafetypin, 21 mai 2012 - 05:39 .

[Swimming Ferret]

hoodaticus wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

For starters, you could admit that the EC was not planned until weeks after the game was released, and that Bioware had no intention of adding anything to the ending. After admitting that, you could admit that means that if Bioware intended Shep to be indoctrinated, then they gave us a cliffhanger ending that they never planned to resolve.

Except that Bioware said that they did toy with IT... which means at
some point it was planned and possibly developed, and it is quite
possible that some of their IT-intended scenes ended up - perhaps
modified - in the final product.

You are the one who has some admissions to make.

Yeah didn't they, like, totally scrap that?

[Leafs43]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

Or you can admit EC was planned all along, just like the Mass Effect twitter said before they deleted it.

It also said Aria was supposed to make an appearance on the Normandy after the Cerberus coup, true story.

We all know retake Omega is coming.   


I reckon retake Omega becomes available after the coup attempt.  Just like you can't do arrival dlc in ME2 as soon as you get on the Normandy.

[Leafs43]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

For starters, you could admit that the EC was not planned until weeks after the game was released, and that Bioware had no intention of adding anything to the ending. After admitting that, you could admit that means that if Bioware intended Shep to be indoctrinated, then they gave us a cliffhanger ending that they never planned to resolve.

Except that Bioware said that they did toy with IT... which means at
some point it was planned and possibly developed, and it is quite
possible that some of their IT-intended scenes ended up - perhaps
modified - in the final product.

You are the one who has some admissions to make.

Yeah didn't they, like, totally scrap that?

They said they scrapped the gameplay portion, which does not mean the story portion, because they couldn't get the mechanics of Shepard fighting himself right.


Which is an actual early version of IT where it was suggested that if Shepard chose anything other than destroy he would have to "fight out of indoctrination".

[jla0644]

Leafs43 wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

For starters, you could admit that the EC was not planned until weeks after the game was released, and that Bioware had no intention of adding anything to the ending. After admitting that, you could admit that means that if Bioware intended Shep to be indoctrinated, then they gave us a cliffhanger ending that they never planned to resolve.

Or you can admit EC was planned all along, just like the Mass Effect twitter said before they deleted it.

Some intern stuck manning the twitter feed, not in any way involved with development is your source? Strong case you have there.

[DJBare]

jla0644 wrote...

For starters, you could admit that the EC was not planned until weeks after the game was released, and that Bioware had no intention of adding anything to the ending. After admitting that, you could admit that means that if Bioware intended Shep to be indoctrinated, then they gave us a cliffhanger ending that they never planned to resolve.

That's the same as me asking you to admit it was planned weeks after, you have as much information as the rest of us, unless of course you are working for Bioware and have inside knowledge?

[sistersafetypin]

Arian Dynas wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

antony1197 wrote...

The sad thing is NONE of them ever can admit it...

I'm hoping that there are a few of them out there that do admit this. They're just being... unreasonably silent in the face of their more fanatical believers.

That said, this has always been my main problem with I.T. since the beginning. If Bioware had released a game without an ending, but with a truly elaborate Sixth Sense type ending in the works... They wouldn't have spent all of their time talking through both sides of their mouth to explain how hurt they all are by fan reaction, because Artistic Integrity!

Read this; 
http://social.biowar...2340/1#12162585 

 I knew there were rational I.T. people out there. That's pretty well thought out. I'm still pretty neutral. If they manage to make the EC confirm IT well then, awesome. At least it will make sense. But if they don't confirm IT, I wont be surprised either. 

Modifié par sistersafetypin, 21 mai 2012 - 06:56 .

[jla0644]

hoodaticus wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

For starters, you could admit that the EC was not planned until weeks after the game was released, and that Bioware had no intention of adding anything to the ending. After admitting that, you could admit that means that if Bioware intended Shep to be indoctrinated, then they gave us a cliffhanger ending that they never planned to resolve.

Except that Bioware said that they did toy with IT... which means at
some point it was planned and possibly developed, and it is quite
possible that some of their IT-intended scenes ended up - perhaps
modified - in the final product.

You are the one who has some admissions to make.

You have no idea what that would have entailed. You have no idea if the idea comes anywhere close to what your theory is. They said they thought about a section where the player would lose control of Shepard. That is a far, far cry from saying "they did toy with IT".

[Leafs43]

jla0644 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

For starters, you could admit that the EC was not planned until weeks after the game was released, and that Bioware had no intention of adding anything to the ending. After admitting that, you could admit that means that if Bioware intended Shep to be indoctrinated, then they gave us a cliffhanger ending that they never planned to resolve.

Or you can admit EC was planned all along, just like the Mass Effect twitter said before they deleted it.

Some intern stuck manning the twitter feed, not in any way involved with development is your source? Strong case you have there.

And there is this little gem release only a few days post release:

@GambleMike: Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever. 



So they already had something planned.



Which is better than your evidence of nothing about how EC was planned weeks after release.

[jla0644]

Leafs43 wrote...

And there is this little gem release only a few days post release:

@GambleMike: Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

So they already had something planned.

Which is better than your evidence of nothing about how EC was planned weeks after release.

Ok, so they had planned DLC prior to release. Big surprise. This doesn't support the IT in the slightest, unless you choose to read it that way.

Personally, when I read that I saw someone trying to calm down the flames the were rapdily spreading.

[vixvicco]

Jawsomebob wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Okay: Let's say everything the IT theorists are spouting is right: their little theory is correct and I'm stupid, and my mother was a ****, and everything else they've told me is correct.  And I'm being VERY generous here considering the last piece of "evidence" I saw was a bloke realizing that the citadel tower chamber kind of sort of looks like a reaper if you squint and have pink-eye.

Now here's the problem I want them all to admit to right now: IT IS NOT, repeat IS NOT an ending.

Should IT be correct, and you "win" by choosing destroy the reapers, and Shepard wakes up: where do we wake up?  We are plonked back onto Earth, MID-BATTLE no less, with a no doubt wounded team and reaprs everywhere.  This isn't a situation that five minuts, or een 10 minutes of cutscenes or quick time events could fix.  This is still a story written into a hole.

This will lead to one of two things: more post-credits DLC content, which will likely be paid for, or a new game entirely.  This means Bioware lied, fundamentally in nearly all their promo material and all the raming that went into ME3.  It also means, that if these items are not free, I will not get them, and even then: they will have to be delivered to my door, with chocolates and appologies before I purchase another Bioware product ever again.

Who cares. It would be better then what we have now. I would rather be lied to then have my shepard deal with the crap ending he has now.

Are  you sure? You want to pay for more DLC or another game? Im certainly not willing to pay more for  a game that should have been complete from the start. IT may be better than the literal ending, but the literal ending is better than paying for another game. So I'm taking that.

Modifié par vixvicco, 21 mai 2012 - 05:45 .

[Leafs43]

jla0644 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

And there is this little gem release only a few days post release:

@GambleMike: Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

So they already had something planned.

Which is better than your evidence of nothing about how EC was planned weeks after release.

Ok, so they had planned DLC prior to release. Big surprise. This doesn't support the IT in the slightest, unless you choose to read it that way.

Personally, when I read that I saw someone trying to calm down the flames the were rapdily spreading.

No it doesn't support IT.


But it supports EC was pre-planned.

[LucasShark]

Leafs43 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

antony1197 wrote...

The sad thing is NONE of them ever can admit it...

I'm hoping that there are a few of them out there that do admit this. They're just being... unreasonably silent in the face of their more fanatical believers.

That said, this has always been my main problem with I.T. since the beginning. If Bioware had released a game without an ending, but with a truly elaborate Sixth Sense type ending in the works... They wouldn't have spent all of their time talking through both sides of their mouth to explain how hurt they all are by fan reaction, because Artistic Integrity!

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

Sure you could use your imagination if you find yours lacking. But I don't spend $80 to headcannon my own ending to a Trilogy. And when I am inevitablly forced to headcannon anyway because of the pisspoor ending, I don't attempt to convince everyone else that I am the Messiah and have decoded it all. 

While I don't care either way what you believe, I'm more than a little bit tired of most of you I.T. believers acting like your Theory is a fact written in stone when it is nothing more than a Theory. Not only that, it's theory based on circumstantial evidence based on, a lot of times, the fact that Bioware is lazy and likes to reuse templates.

IT wouldn't be headcanon if correct.


Jesus, how can you not grasp this concept?  If IT is true, IT is the extended cut which you are getting for free.  And it's not an ending, its a plot point in the story.

How can you not get this concept?  We are pissed because we were promised an ending, which we did not get, if IT is extended cut, we will not get, and then must pay more for.

[Leafs43]

LucasShark wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

antony1197 wrote...

The sad thing is NONE of them ever can admit it...

I'm hoping that there are a few of them out there that do admit this. They're just being... unreasonably silent in the face of their more fanatical believers.

That said, this has always been my main problem with I.T. since the beginning. If Bioware had released a game without an ending, but with a truly elaborate Sixth Sense type ending in the works... They wouldn't have spent all of their time talking through both sides of their mouth to explain how hurt they all are by fan reaction, because Artistic Integrity!

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

Sure you could use your imagination if you find yours lacking. But I don't spend $80 to headcannon my own ending to a Trilogy. And when I am inevitablly forced to headcannon anyway because of the pisspoor ending, I don't attempt to convince everyone else that I am the Messiah and have decoded it all. 

While I don't care either way what you believe, I'm more than a little bit tired of most of you I.T. believers acting like your Theory is a fact written in stone when it is nothing more than a Theory. Not only that, it's theory based on circumstantial evidence based on, a lot of times, the fact that Bioware is lazy and likes to reuse templates.

IT wouldn't be headcanon if correct.


Jesus, how can you not grasp this concept?  If IT is true, IT is the extended cut which you are getting for free.  And it's not an ending, its a plot point in the story.

How can you not get this concept?  We are pissed because we were promised an ending, which we did not get, if IT is extended cut, we will not get, and then must pay more for.

If you're paying for extended cut you're doing something terribly wrong because extended cut is free.

[im commander shep]

The key problem with this thread is that everyone one is stating what bioware have said as fact. But bioware have said many different things all contradictory You have people quoting bioware and using what they have said to debunk IT while also quoting the Weeks interview as fact and using that to debunk IT, all this after Bioware said that the Weeks interview was a load of crap. IT will only go away once people get facts from bioware and theres no need for speculations.

(For the record while I don't fully believe in IT it's 100% better than the ending as it stands, and I know if its true then we were sold an incomplete game blah blah blah.)

[PsyrenY]

Leafs43 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

Or you can admit EC was planned all along, just like the Mass Effect twitter said before they deleted it.

It also said Aria was supposed to make an appearance on the Normandy after the Cerberus coup, true story.

We all know retake Omega is coming.   


I reckon retake Omega becomes available after the coup attempt.  Just like you can't do arrival dlc in ME2 as soon as you get on the Normandy.

Wow. Whoosh.

Yeah, I totally pulled the Aria thing out of my ass. Just like you did with EC being "always planned," sourced by some nebulous tweet that I doubt you'll be able to reproduce.

[Hihoshi101]

I as a pro-ITer believe the end was a lie and cliff hanger for though that where able to see the clues... possibly for DLC or the next trilogy a hundred years into the reaper wars Shepard is dead no matter what and the choice they made effects how the war is going... other wise thoughts that played ME3 and just accepted the endings would be in for a shock... but we will see with EC... I hope what ever they do it fixes the Endings...

Modifié par Hihoshi101, 21 mai 2012 - 05:52 .

[jla0644]

Leafs43 wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

And there is this little gem release only a few days post release:

@GambleMike: Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

So they already had something planned.

Which is better than your evidence of nothing about how EC was planned weeks after release.

Ok, so they had planned DLC prior to release. Big surprise. This doesn't support the IT in the slightest, unless you choose to read it that way.

Personally, when I read that I saw someone trying to calm down the flames the were rapdily spreading.

No it doesn't support IT.


But it supports EC was pre-planned.

The only thing you can say for sure from that tweet is that DLC was planned. If you thinkt that means the EC, that's your choice, but it's pure speculation on your part.

Modifié par jla0644, 21 mai 2012 - 05:53 .

[LucasShark]

Leafs43 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

antony1197 wrote...

The sad thing is NONE of them ever can admit it...

I'm hoping that there are a few of them out there that do admit this. They're just being... unreasonably silent in the face of their more fanatical believers.

That said, this has always been my main problem with I.T. since the beginning. If Bioware had released a game without an ending, but with a truly elaborate Sixth Sense type ending in the works... They wouldn't have spent all of their time talking through both sides of their mouth to explain how hurt they all are by fan reaction, because Artistic Integrity!

What's there to admit?

Shepard breaks out of his unconcious funk and gets helped to his feert.  Harbinger is pissed and gets ready to blast him and joker puts a thanix shot right in Harbinger's pie hole which makes Harbinger's blast whiz by Shepard and company.  

*queue shuttle rescue or a bolt to the conduit while Harbinger is realing*




I mean I guess we are going to have to use your imagination for you.

Sure you could use your imagination if you find yours lacking. But I don't spend $80 to headcannon my own ending to a Trilogy. And when I am inevitablly forced to headcannon anyway because of the pisspoor ending, I don't attempt to convince everyone else that I am the Messiah and have decoded it all. 

While I don't care either way what you believe, I'm more than a little bit tired of most of you I.T. believers acting like your Theory is a fact written in stone when it is nothing more than a Theory. Not only that, it's theory based on circumstantial evidence based on, a lot of times, the fact that Bioware is lazy and likes to reuse templates.

IT wouldn't be headcanon if correct.


Jesus, how can you not grasp this concept?  If IT is true, IT is the extended cut which you are getting for free.  And it's not an ending, its a plot point in the story.

How can you not get this concept?  We are pissed because we were promised an ending, which we did not get, if IT is extended cut, we will not get, and then must pay more for.

If you're paying for extended cut you're doing something terribly wrong because extended cut is free.

DO you have eyes?
- IT is confirmed in Extended cut
- Therefore: extended cut will drop us back mid-battle, with no proper ending
- The ending will not come in EX, and it will confirm the current ones are false
- We will therefore have to get another game, or more DLC for the actual ending, and those will not be free.

clear enough?

[PsyrenY]

Leafs43 wrote...

No it doesn't support IT.


But it supports EC was pre-planned.

No, it supports DLC was pre-planned. Which they did for ME2 too.