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[Spanky Magoo]

I find it funny Kelly has more to say about cerberus than Miranda from what I remember. Real missed opportunity but its just another thing in the list of bad decisions in me3.

[Zkyire]

Miranda gave Cerberus the finger, just like Shepard did.

But while Shepard stayed on the Normandy, with all its firepower and resources.. Miranda decided to leave and go her own way.

By herself.

Knowing that Cerberus would be hunting her.

Why.

And it's not her sister, she didn't learn that she was being hunted too until around the time the Reapers invaded.

Modifié par Zkyire, 22 mai 2012 - 01:36 .

[tbb033]

I would've much rather had the choice to recruit Miranda than Tali. Really, instead of just letting you get Garrus and Tali, couldn't it have been possible to recruit any two loyal ME2 survivors? Unless there's a GOOD reason not to have them recruitable (last stages of a deadly disease, fer instance).

[tbb033]

MsKlaussen wrote...
Naw, EDI as an active teammate was a great addition. And it could have worked out with all previous  squadmates included right alongside the new ones, given the extra time created by the release delay. All they needed to do was kick the real time consuming addition to the game out of the airlock.

Multiplayer.

+1

oh hell

+ infinity

[chengthao]

b/c they didn't plan ahead when making ME2

[Vertigo_1]

Spanky Magoo wrote...

I find it funny Kelly has more to say about cerberus than Miranda from what I remember. Real missed opportunity but its just another thing in the list of bad decisions in me3.

Same thing with Jacob...
A. He never really trusted TIM in ME2
B. Worked for the organization for a couple of months (perhaps a year or two)

and yet he acts like he's been blindsighted over TIM's action in ME3?

IMO Miranda's writer didn't do a good job on her (past) Cerberus connection.  It was all brushed under the table.  Which is a shame.

chengthao wrote...

b/c they didn't plan ahead when making ME2

Pretty much this.

[F00lishG]

 Thank goodness for ME3. Now it's 100% easier to get Miri to die.

Modifié par F00lishG, 22 mai 2012 - 03:32 .

[spirosz]

Zkyire wrote...

Miranda gave Cerberus the finger, just like Shepard did.

But while Shepard stayed on the Normandy, with all its firepower and resources.. Miranda decided to leave and go her own way.

By herself.

Knowing that Cerberus would be hunting her.

Why.

And it's not her sister, she didn't learn that she was being hunted too until around the time the Reapers invaded.

On the bolded, no, not for everyone.  That could of been a big opportunity back at the end of ME2 and heading into ME3, but again, lost cause.  

[MisterJB]

tbb033 wrote...

I would've much rather had the choice to recruit Miranda than Tali. Really, instead of just letting you get Garrus and Tali, couldn't it have been possible to recruit any two loyal ME2 survivors? Unless there's a GOOD reason not to have them recruitable (last stages of a deadly disease, fer instance).

That would have been nice but I can just imagine the logistic nightmare it would have also been.

Personally, I don't want Miranda in the squad. I want her playing a role similar to Wrex in a Cerberus arc written by whoever wrote the Genophage arc.

[CuseGirl]

AlanC9 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...
Other issues with Miranda: no banter/dialogue/argument between Ashley and Miranda if you bring Ashley to Sanctuary,

This one kind of surprises me. Why would you expect them to have much to say to each other? They've never met unless you brought Miranda to Horizon in ME2.

They didn't neglect to have Ashley take a jab at Miranda after the Mars mission ("I wear armor into battle, not a swimsuit!") So the writers made it clear that Ashely was aware Shepard had some type of relationship with Miranda. And if Miranda knew everything about Shepard before he woke up, she knew about Ashley as well.

I wasn't looking for a cat fight or whatever. But something, anything would have at least shown me that the writers were aware of the situation.

Think of it this way: one of the reasons I can play Mass Effect 2 so many times is simply to bring a squadmate on a mission I never brought them on before. A few weeks ago, I finally decided to do Grunt's recruitment before Jack's. Then I brought Grunt to Purgatory to get Jack. And when Jack starts blowing *ish up, Grunt has one little line: "Oh I wanna see this". Those 5 words made the mission for me. It showed me "oh, Bioware is telling me what excites Grunt and he appreciates Jack's penchant for carnage".

So to bring Ashley to Sanctuary and she has nothing to say to Miranda (about Shepard, about Cerberus, about trust, about anything....) just shows the lack of care the writing team took with the end stages of the game....

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Miranda sidelined? What about Thane! Wasn't he on the cover as well?

All characters were sidelined. And most of them popped up awkwardly in the game to just make their cameo. Much like a crappy Hollywood movie that uses famous faces as a selling point. It felt very forced...

[xI extremist Ix]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

xI extremist Ix wrote...

I wish there was a paragon interrupt to put a bullet in her head on the citadel.

I'm at a loss as to why that would be "paragon", even with the P/R system as horribly inconsistent as it often is.

He's making a bad joke about how he considers killing Miranda to be a heroic action in his little mind of his.

Just don't like her as a character. I even romanced her in ME2.

Jacob is dead.

[CARL_DF90]

As for Miranda, I would have cared more about her being around if they didn't make the same damned mistakes they made with her in ME2 in ME3. I mean, were they not listening the first time when complaints cropped up? "Dat Azz" a central focus in the camera, again?! Tasteless. Cat suits in combat, again?! Ridiculous. Why couldn't they have at least used her DLC armor for her appearances in the Horizon and Priorty Earth sections? Friggin' stupidity galore. Oy.

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 22 mai 2012 - 04:35 .

[CuseGirl]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

As for Miranda, I would have cared more about her being around if they didn't make the same damned mistakes they made with her in ME2 in ME3. I mean, were they not listening the first time when complaints cropped up? "Dat Azz" a central focus in the camera, again?! Tasteless. Cat suits in combat, again?! Ridiculous. Why couldn't they have at least used her DLC armor for her appearances in the Horizon and Priorty Earth sections? Friggin' stupidity galore. Oy.

All unimportant cosmetic issues. I'm actually upset she didn't get a new outift, maybe even an outfit more suited for an Earthborn character. 

This is just personal opinion, but I have a hard time understanding why you think the complaints about Miranda's outfit are universally held by the fanbase? Miranda actually says to Shepard that her looks are part of her package to give her an advantage. The ass shots were annoying but eventually I didn't even notice it.....

[Spitfire_mcguire]

For her clothes in ME3...why is she still wearing that catsuit, since it pretty much is her Cerberus uniform just without the emblem. Just for trying to put her past behind her, why didn't she destroy it? It also has the negative effect of adding a lot of attention...not good while trying to hide from assassins.

They should have given her a new look, similar to Kelly who was also hiding from Cerberus. Or at least different clothes that don't shout "HEY! LOOK AT ME! l LEAVE NOTHING TO THE IMAGINATION AND EASILY DRAW THE ATTENTION OF EVERY HUMAN MALE!"

Modifié par Spitfire_mcguire, 22 mai 2012 - 05:20 .

[Mr.House]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Miranda sidelined? What about Thane! Wasn't he on the cover as well?

All characters were sidelined. And most of them popped up awkwardly in the game to just make their cameo. Much like a crappy Hollywood movie that uses famous faces as a selling point. It felt very forced...

Now you know how the Liara,Kaidan and Ash fans felt when ME2 came out.

[CARL_DF90]

CuseGirl wrote...

CARL_DF90 wrote...

As for Miranda, I would have cared more about her being around if they didn't make the same damned mistakes they made with her in ME2 in ME3. I mean, were they not listening the first time when complaints cropped up? "Dat Azz" a central focus in the camera, again?! Tasteless. Cat suits in combat, again?! Ridiculous. Why couldn't they have at least used her DLC armor for her appearances in the Horizon and Priorty Earth sections? Friggin' stupidity galore. Oy.

All unimportant cosmetic issues. I'm actually upset she didn't get a new outift, maybe even an outfit more suited for an Earthborn character. 

This is just personal opinion, but I have a hard time understanding why you think the complaints about Miranda's outfit are universally held by the fanbase? Miranda actually says to Shepard that her looks are part of her package to give her an advantage. The ass shots were annoying but eventually I didn't even notice it.....

I'm not saying the outfit complaints were universal, just very focal and widespread. As for unimportant cosmetic issues, sometimes the cosmetic issues as you put it can be distracting and at times jarring. It does harm the quality and perception of the package. Example, friend of mine was watching me play ME2 and I had Miranda in my squad. He asks, "why is she wearing a catsuit into battle? That's f****** retarded." I couldn't argue the point because he is right. Those azz shots, a female friend of mine, like me, found it tasteless, but for her it was also insulting. Things like that do matter, and making the same careless mistakes twice just shows how lazy and apathetic Bioware got.

[Shajar]

Mr.House wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Miranda sidelined? What about Thane! Wasn't he on the cover as well?

All characters were sidelined. And most of them popped up awkwardly in the game to just make their cameo. Much like a crappy Hollywood movie that uses famous faces as a selling point. It felt very forced...

Now you know how the Liara,Kaidan and Ash fans felt when ME2 came out.

Ashley/Kaidan fans got bad taste i believe 

[CuseGirl]

CARL_DF90 wrote...
I'm not saying the outfit complaints were universal, just very focal and widespread. As for unimportant cosmetic issues, sometimes the cosmetic issues as you put it can be distracting and at times jarring. It does harm the quality and perception of the package. Example, friend of mine was watching me play ME2 and I had Miranda in my squad. He asks, "why is she wearing a catsuit into battle? That's f****** retarded." I couldn't argue the point because he is right. Those azz shots, a female friend of mine, like me, found it tasteless, but for her it was also insulting. Things like that do matter, and making the same careless mistakes twice just shows how lazy and apathetic Bioware got.

And after those complaints Bioware released that god awful clunky black thing with that yellow visor. Honestly, the way I saw it, high ranking Cerberus operatives and justicars were just cooler than average mercs, so they wore tight fitting stuff into battle. That's the feeling I got from the whole ME-2 squad, this was the coolest, most talented merc group and some1 had the gall to put Carnifexs and Eviserators in their hands.

As for the butt shots, I'm a girl but I'm also gay, so it didn't offend me as much....Miranda never pranced around Shepard, none of the women did, you had to respect that.

What irritates me with ME-3 and her gear is that the white hexagon catsuit is her CALLING CARD and she's wearing it on the Citadel?! Come on, she's smarter than that, I think most of us would agree. She could have worn anything else, especially some1 who probably has creds stashed away and would try to blend in....

I was hoping she'd get an outfit similar to this:

nothin' fancy, typical Earthborn renegade stuff....switch the shotgun with an SMG and that's Miranda off the grid running from Cerberus...

Modifié par CuseGirl, 22 mai 2012 - 06:57 .

[CARL_DF90]

@ CuseGirl

I don't know. I found the DLC armor appropriate and it fits the context of the setting quite well, especially in combat. I miss it. Also, orientation aside, did you not as a woman find the oversexualization of Miranda and other female characters in ME2 and ME3 rather tasteless? I'm a straight guy and even I found it tasteless.

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 22 mai 2012 - 07:06 .

[CuseGirl]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

@ CuseGirl

I don't know. I found the DLC armor appropriate and it fits the context of the setting quite well, especially in combat. I miss it. Also, orientation aside, did you not as a woman find the oversexualization of Miranda and other female characters in ME2 and ME3 rather tasteless. I'm a straight guy and even I found it tasteless.

I thought the boobs could have slightly smaller, only because I personally know what it's like to have larger than average breasts and couldn't imagine (even if I was in top physical condition) going into battle with boobs like Miranda or Samara. But I never felt like they were throwing sex in my face. I just never got that feeling. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention or I was paying attention to their faces and not their bodies....

Jack's lack of clothing seemed to stem from her being crazy. Samara and Miranda probably used their physical assets to disarm enemies before the use of deadly force. That's what I took from it....that and Asari's all seem to LOVE to dance.....

[FoggyFishburne]

CrystalCircuit wrote...

Artistic integrity.

Haha oooh you! What this guy says basically

I can't help but wonder how the game would've turned out if they had gotten one more year to work on the game. Best game ever perhaps? Fix the ending, flesh out your former party members and maybe add a quest to every single one of them, expand upon the universe a little more, give us back the neutral chat option!, tone down the autodialogue with more.

It's quite an awesome game, I don't like to give arbitrary scores but if I had to, ME3 would be a 7 out of 10. Fix all the problems and it's easily a 9. Maybe, if they went that extra mile, it'd be a perfect 10 even. But as of now, it falls short. It's such a shame, there's not a lot of games out there that can make be invested in their games. I hope that BioWare picks up the slack, their quality on their games is dropping, fast too. 

[CARL_DF90]

@ CuseGirl

Heh, true enough about Jack being crazy, but no matter how crazy you are, NO ONE would go into say a toxic atmosphere or near vacuum with no environmental suit and just a glass mask. It looks stupid and suspension of disbelief can only take a person very far and common sense kicks in and a person says to themselves, "WTF?". In addition, with all the gun fire, biotics, and other such battlefield and environmental hazards, everyone would want to have some additional protection, no matter how "elite" they think they are. Heck, environmental hazards were an actual game mechanic in ME1. Okay, before I get anymore off-topic, the whole Miranda situation could have been handled A LOT better in ME3 and Bioware should have learned more than enough lessons from the past to do so.