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[Crypticqa]

nicethugbert wrote...

I don't call that effective.  You could headshot with a carnifex X or paladin X and have +200% power recharge speed and detonations.  You'll kill more stuff with the explosions added in and you'll save a team member from getting gutted.

I don't care if you have the best or worst aim in the world.  I don't care if you make mistakes.  But, obstinate nonsense, I will not tolerate.

I don't ask for a lot.  All I ask is a basic understanding of the game and a willingness to work together.  If you want to do otherwise then you'll do it without me and I don't care what you think about that.

It is just other way to use powers. It is not right or wrong.It can be more or less effctive, but people just say like it is a must to have warp and throw. That is not and it is not their choice how others use their powers.My rule is similar. You will tell me that i need throw? Well I don't care

[Pekkan]

Damn elitists, some of them even claim that using stasis on the turrets is not a good idea, it is just as valid way to use your powers, I've actually seen a turret getting killed by the stasis damage.

The fact that warp + throw would have killed it faster, especially considering that unlike Cerberus foot soldiers, the turret doesn't have mad dodging skills, doesn't matter, it matters only to elitists.

Modifié par Pekkan, 22 mai 2012 - 11:57 .

[Crypticqa]

Pekkan wrote...

Damn elitists, some of them even claim that using stasis on the turrets is not a good idea, it is just as valid way to use your powers, I've actually seen a turret getting killed by the stasis damage.

The fact that warp + throw would have killed it faster, especially considering that unlike Cerberus foot soldiers, the turret doesn't have mad dodging skills, doesn't matter, it matters only to elitists.

You know, I could say same thing about biotic explosion and phantom  Because, you know it does not matter if statis is better in this case.

[maloo78]

Guys, please also consider one thing: the other players might not be experienced enough to have improved on tactics. Instead of cussing at them for being incapable, why not try to teach them (nicely) a few tricks? For example the exploding Asari bubble on spawning grounds was news to me...

About the request that someone casts warp/reave so that your character can create an explosion - well, do you really expect the other players to study your character, know your loadout and skillpoints and "feel" what you need to play well? Take what you get and improvise! That's what it is about unknown teams. Otherwise, make friends when finding a good player and play with them.

I am too weak a player for silver/gold yet, and sometimes act stupidly, true. But I still try my best, particularly when not being yelled at, and apologize when I cause trouble. Good enough?:innocent:

What I absolutely hate is a teamleader who decides to play a level 1 character, and then - when killed after 2minutes - skips out of the game. Man, then don't play a level 1 character when you are a leader...

Modifié par martinozza, 22 mai 2012 - 12:27 .

[InTheZone]

Ahh yes, ****ing on a forum, we've dismissed that claim

[Chealec]

Crypticqa wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

I don't call that effective.  You could headshot with a carnifex X or paladin X and have +200% power recharge speed and detonations.  You'll kill more stuff with the explosions added in and you'll save a team member from getting gutted.

I don't care if you have the best or worst aim in the world.  I don't care if you make mistakes.  But, obstinate nonsense, I will not tolerate.

I don't ask for a lot.  All I ask is a basic understanding of the game and a willingness to work together.  If you want to do otherwise then you'll do it without me and I don't care what you think about that.

It is just other way to use powers. It is not right or wrong.It can be more or less effctive, but people just say like it is a must to have warp and throw. That is not and it is not their choice how others use their powers.My rule is similar. You will tell me that i need throw? Well I don't care

I have never, ever seen an AA sniper be as effective with a weapon, any weapon (BW, Sabre, whatever) as they would be using biotic explosions... ever. The cooldown on statis is too poor to be effective against anything but Phantoms - and even then the damned thing's bugged so you end up with invisible, almost unkillable Phantoms murdering players.

It's getting to the point now that, if I see an AA with a sniper-rifle in a gold lobby, I'm very tempted to just quit to save time... AV sniper can work (although they're weak against Geth), AA sniper doesn't ... you just break one of the most powerful biotic classes in the game to use a gun you'll be less effective with than either soldiers or infiltrators.

[Indenter]

It also baffles when you go down to silver from gold, and the team gets wiped cos lolinfiltrators with BWs back in silver still haven't learned to look around for enemies and keep your flanks clear. Then by wave 9 last kill objective no one stands up. NO one. It's like srsly - you came this far and you don't want to finish it? Don't need credits?

It is hard to find decent players nowadays.

[Pekkan]

Crypticqa wrote...

Pekkan wrote...

Damn elitists, some of them even claim that using stasis on the turrets is not a good idea, it is just as valid way to use your powers, I've actually seen a turret getting killed by the stasis damage.

The fact that warp + throw would have killed it faster, especially considering that unlike Cerberus foot soldiers, the turret doesn't have mad dodging skills, doesn't matter, it matters only to elitists.

You know, I could say same thing about biotic explosion and phantom  Because, you know it does not matter if statis is better in this case.

Except neither I or the OP has been advocating statisless AA, both AA without throw and AA without statis are one of the stupidest specs in the game, chargeless novaguard and reaveless justicar being slightly stupider. 

Saber II should still leave your throw CD at 2 second and warp CD at 4 seconds, either of them could have detonated reave. But I guess expecting a AA to help enough with the biotic explosions, so that Atlas gets knocked back or staggered occasionally, and doesn't push them out of cover inside the hacking cirle, I guess that makes the OP elitist. <_<

[Aleru]

hahaha i usually dont complain, i always played random matches and the people i played with usually are players that actually care for the team.
But yesterday it was different...i played with two infiltrators in my team with a soldier and it was my first time with an asari adept.
I was the only one running to revive teammates and disabling nodes, hacking devices and killing objectives... got killed in the process too many times. But i had to do it, they were doing nothing and the countdown have already started...

it surely pisses me off...

[Crypticqa]

Chealec wrote...

I have never, ever seen an AA sniper be as effective with a weapon, any weapon (BW, Sabre, whatever) as they would be using biotic explosions... ever. The cooldown on statis is too poor to be effective against anything but Phantoms - and even then the damned thing's bugged so you end up with invisible, almost unkillable Phantoms murdering players.

It's getting to the point now that, if I see an AA with a sniper-rifle in a gold lobby, I'm very tempted to just quit to save time... AV sniper can work (although they're weak against Geth), AA sniper doesn't ... you just break one of the most powerful biotic classes in the game to use a gun you'll be less effective with than either soldiers or infiltrators.

Actually, statis with carnifex or paladin is very effective.Once again, I have never said anything againts BE, just about people judging others style of playing

Pekkan wrote...

Except neither I or the OP has been advocating statisless AA, both AA without throw and AA without statis are one of the stupidest specs in the game, chargeless novaguard and reaveless justicar being slightly stupider. 

Saber II should still leave your throw CD at 2 second and warp CD at 4 seconds, either of them could have detonated reave. But I guess expecting a AA to help enough with the biotic explosions, so that Atlas gets knocked back or staggered occasionally, and doesn't push them out of cover inside the hacking cirle, I guess that makes the OP elitist. 

That is it, You expect me to have certain build even if I like other more. That is whole point of powers....You can choose which you like -.- Of course if I would totally fail with it, i would change it., but if you can actually play good with it, why not?

[DNC Protoman]

nicethugbert wrote...

Technically, I have quit before, about twice, but, because I had to go do something else right away.  I always give a team the benefit of the doubt even though I think it looks doubtful that we will get all three objectives.  This morning's first match started off that way. 

I was playing Stardusk's Asari Bulwark build which cannot self detonate BE.  It can tank like nothing else and rip anything apart with reeve and assualt rifle, but, no awesome booms.  So, she needs another biotic to play with for BE. 

I got one, an AA, yay!  With a saber 2, ugh!  This isn't going to work, I thought.  She, he, it will have crap CD and be too busy spamming bullets, with that horrible recoil.  I was the only one with a mic.  It took 10 minutes for a team to form up.

First objective comes out with an Atlas.  I ask nicely for a warp or throw on the Atlas, 5 times.  I'm spamming reeve.  Everybody is running around like chickens without a head.  No warp or throw to be seen, not a one.

I quit in disgust.

Incidentally, before that match started, I got a level 8 infiltrator telling me that he could out damage my AJA.  Nevermind that he couldn't touch my AJA and he's easier to squash than a fly.  I just laughed and started another match before it got started.

Dear Randoms, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??  WTF are you doing??  And get a damn mic!  I'm not the best player in the world, but, c'mon, ppl, get some of the basics down.

It's getting harder and harder to find decent players.

Congrats on the rage quit you random.

[DaDiddles]

Asaris with snipers do kind of bug me, because most of the time I don't even see them using a power. It probably is because the cooldown is like 10+ seconds, but I can go a whole round without seeing an Asari sniper fire off a single power.

Of course, my biggest gripe is probably a Krogan Vanguard with two heavy weapons, who dies within the first few rounds of the match and quits because he charges into the spawnzone with a 20+ second charge cooldown, but I digress.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt though, because I've tried quite a number of... unorthodox builds myself, and sometimes they work much better than expected.

[Autumnal Skies]

That kind of nasty surprise is unfortunately frequent on random public.

Anyway nicethug, you tend to invite Origin people, including me, on your public games and it works great. Perhaps try to get at least one of your "friend" in those games.
So far I've played Gold almost exclusively with at least one Origin mate.

Modifié par pp1107, 22 mai 2012 - 04:16 .

[AlienSpaceBats]

I just ragequit for the second time.

Had a great match on Glacier/Cerberus/Gold, wonderful team, didn't use a single medigel, rocket or ops pack between us.

Then all change, new team except for me. Condor/Cerberus/Gold. freaking nightmare. First warning sign was a Justicar running around with a Saber and GPSG. Idiots running around like it's bronze, everyone drops like flies the moment a Phantom pops up. I throw Stasis on it and everyone ignores it. Doesn't help that Condor is a nightmare, but still.

[SuperHamzah]

If playing in a new squad...check their load out/build.

At times you'll get good players who are squad-minded, other times you'll get people who think a squad is just 4 players playing SP at the same time. Not necessarily bad if all 4 players can hold their own and revive.

Other than that, if it's a crappy squad - I "teach" them by following one of the players after several waves have passed and fighting with them - they'll notice how powerful collaboration is - in damage as well as revivals.

Inspire them! Manifest your good example, embody the spirit of cooperation.

If that doesn't work - rage quit.

[Bobkyou]

msantos wrote...

Bobkyou wrote...

How dare you expect an asari adept to have points in either warp or throw! If a person wants to play with 21 unspent skill points that is their right! They payed for this game just like you. Next thing you know, you'll be expecting drell to have AoE reave, SE to have decoy, and infiltrators to have cloak. Stop being an elitist!

YES, they have a right to SOLO with whatever setup they choose.  But when they join a lobby then the other players have to carry the game so that the one out can share on the same credits???

NO, THANK YOU !!

I always host silver and gold matches and I ask kindly if they see anything wrong with their setups. If the players already on the lobby agree then the player has 3 choices: CHANGE, LEAVE NOW or GET KICKED.
That is not being elitist.  If anything, that is being respectful towards the concept of "teamwork" since it only increases the chances for collective success and the satisfaction of completing wave 11. 

If they refuse to improve their setup and act like selfish boneheads then I just add their IP to my filter list and their name to my notepad beside my monitor (so I can remeber who they are at a future time).  Its just that simple.  Shape up or ship out of OUR lobby.

While I realize sarcasm can be difficult to detect on the internet, I thought "If a person wants to play with 21 unspent skill points that is their right" was pretty obvious.

martinozza wrote...

Guys, please also consider one thing: the other players might not be experienced enough to have improved on tactics. Instead of cussing at them for being incapable, why not try to teach them (nicely) a few tricks?

I've tried explaining to other players why their setup is bad until I was blue in the face. You'd think it would be pretty obvious to them when they only score 30k in a gold match, but few people ever want to listen. Hell I've had people cuss me out when I tried explaining to them that ULM only works on the geth SMG and explain to them how they can verify its not working themselves. Its like somehow sharing knowledge with others is the greatest of insults to them.

[Lokat]

I feel for the OP.

I play primarily an AJ or switch to an AA if I see an AJ already in the lobby. Finding a good compliment is hard these days. I finding a disturbingly increasing number of AAs or AJs carrying snipers or shottys (and sometimes both!).

We should start a group called Adepts Anonymous. We pair up AJs and AAs in random lobbies and show the rest of the team the sweet music two asaris can make when coupled.

[Sinnerj117]

Crypticqa wrote...

Really..? I am sick of people who are like OMG how can you play Asari adept without any points in throw.
Who exactly said I have to do biotic explosions instead of statis everyone and headshot them?  There are no rules of how should you play classes as long as you are effective.

Agreed. To me, when I get spammed by hate mail from players who tell me how I should play, I reply right away with a simple message. It's not a matter of whether they play a certain way, it's a matter of whether I play a certain way. Their opinion matters little to me.

If you are getting berated by people for playing your way OP, they're fools. You should eat them.

[waltervolpatto]

Lokat wrote...

I feel for the OP.

I play primarily an AJ or switch to an AA if I see an AJ already in the lobby. Finding a good compliment is hard these days. I finding a disturbingly increasing number of AAs or AJs carrying snipers or shottys (and sometimes both!).

We should start a group called Adepts Anonymous. We pair up AJs and AAs in random lobbies and show the rest of the team the sweet music two asaris can make when coupled.

The day we start such group count me in..

Boom-Boom!!!!

[nicethugbert]

Adepts Anonymous sounds good to me.

[Stardusk]

Stasis plus OSOK headshot is the most efficient way...there is not doubt.

[Ikilledkillab]

nicethugbert wrote...

Technically, I have quit before, about twice, but, because I had to go do something else right away.  I always give a team the benefit of the doubt even though I think it looks doubtful that we will get all three objectives.  This morning's first match started off that way. 

I was playing Stardusk's Asari Bulwark build which cannot self detonate BE.  It can tank like nothing else and rip anything apart with reeve and assualt rifle, but, no awesome booms.  So, she needs another biotic to play with for BE. 

I got one, an AA, yay!  With a saber 2, ugh!  This isn't going to work, I thought.  She, he, it will have crap CD and be too busy spamming bullets, with that horrible recoil.  I was the only one with a mic.  It took 10 minutes for a team to form up.

First objective comes out with an Atlas.  I ask nicely for a warp or throw on the Atlas, 5 times.  I'm spamming reeve.  Everybody is running around like chickens without a head.  No warp or throw to be seen, not a one.

I quit in disgust.

Incidentally, before that match started, I got a level 8 infiltrator telling me that he could out damage my AJA.  Nevermind that he couldn't touch my AJA and he's easier to squash than a fly.  I just laughed and started another match before it got started.

Dear Randoms, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??  WTF are you doing??  And get a damn mic!  I'm not the best player in the world, but, c'mon, ppl, get some of the basics down.

It's getting harder and harder to find decent players.

You are using the best offensive power in the game defensively. Its no wonder you lost. Just use a krogan if you want super sheilds.

Or set it like this:

Bitotic Sphere 4AorB, 5A,6B (warp)
Reave 4AorB, 5A, 6B
Pull to level three
Justicar 4B, 5B (note 5A is broken).
Max Fitness

This gives you 70%DR and allies 30%DR and a Warp Bubble vs 80%/40% and no warp bubble.

Then do the double biotic/suicidal justicar on the enemies.

http://social.biowar...ndex/11947645/1

An AA helps but I don't need one with my loadout.

Modifié par Ikilledkillab, 23 mai 2012 - 01:21 .

[BooPi]

Mandalore313 wrote...

When my teammates are that stupid, only one thing comes to mind.

[snarf001]

No one should tell you how you should play the game but an AA without Throw is almost as gimped as an infiltrator without Cloak. Sure you can still get the explosions from Stasis > Warp but it takes too long on CD and Stasis doesn't work on armoured targets (which pretty makes Stasis kinda useless on Gold since everything have armour). Warp > Throw works on everything, it's much more efficient and quicker for exlposions.

[Sgt SuperWae]

Play how you play. Whatever. But if my teammates suck at how they play I don't waste medis.