robertthebard wrote...
What part of history are you going to rewrite, and I'm not talking about Origins. I'm talking about the 4 previous blights that have been ended in the same manner, presumably, as any of the nonDR games. There are 4 possible outcomes, and in 3 of those, a Warden dies. Rewriting history to trivialize the death of a Warden is trivializing 3 out of 4 endings to accomodate one. As I said, I have games with and w/out DR. The problem is, if there's an option to import saves, some of my more memorable games won't be included, if the OGB is decided to be Canon. I mean, after being spit on by Alistair on my fDalish Warden, it gave me great pleasure to order him to kill the demon, knowing he was going to die doing it. I understand that some people are enthralled with the idea of seeing Morrigan, and playing footsie under the table, and cooing at a baby that may be an abomination much along the lines of Anders...
Why does the history need to be rewritten for the 4 previous Blights? They ended as they did, presumbably by a Warden striking the killing blow against that Archdemon, the Archdemon's soul merging with that of the Warden, and then the Warden dying. The Wardens assume that the spirit of the Old God is destroyed, along with that of the Warden, but how do they know for sure? There are many possibilities that they do not have an answer to, but it is just as possible that it makes its way to some far corner of the Fade.
If Flemeth was actually around for the last Blight, perhaps she had not yet researched the procedure for the Dark Ritual. Or perhaps she did not feel the time was right. Regardless, nothing that happens in Origins, regardless of what choice you make, changes the history of past Blights. But, even if it did, is that so unusual? In our world, we have people that cannot agree on the history of what happened less than 50 years ago. And that is with all the different forms of media we have to preserve what happened. And perhaps the Wardens are hiding a secret of what really happens to the Old God spirit, if they actually do know for sure. It would not be the first time a powerful entity kept information from the masses for the purposes of allaying fears. And if there is such a secret, that the Old God spirit is not actually destroyed at the death of the Archdemon and Warden, it is very likely it would not be passed on to all the members of the Order, only those at the very top would know.
And none of the deaths of Wardens that did an Ultimate Sacrifice is trivialized, for any Blight. They did what was needed to end the Blight. IF some of them had the option for their own Dark Ritual, it is likely that some of them would have taken it. But just to face an ancient dragon, which is controlled by the spirit of an Old God is enough to make any Warden a hero, whether they strike the final blow or not, whether they live or not, or even if they succeed or not. Riarden is definitely a hero, and he failed in his attempt to slay the Archdemon. Nothing can trivialize that.
And as for the fate of Warden's that did the Ultimate Sacrifice in upcoming games, if the OGB is said to be alive. You can say they stood on principle, and would not be party to Morrigan's/Flemeth's plans. In your games that you transfer their histories, they should be treated as heroes, and it would be nice if their actual names (and not just Warden) was somehow put into the histories, with at least one statue somewhere. The only people in the whole population of Thedas and the rest of Dragon Age will not know that they had the chance to escape death by the means of a DR. Only Morrigan would know, and possibly Flemeth. So if the OGB is in game as canon, noone would even connect that with the Warden or the death of the Archdemon. Those Wardens that gave up one of their companions to sacrifice would know too, and that may or may not bother them. ((IF I had sacrificed Loghain, I would not feel guilty, but I never allowed him to live past the Landsmeet.) Those Wardens that survived in this way, would certainly have their perspective affected, when they meet the OGB. If they had a chance to speak to Morrigan, she would probably tell them that she gave them a chance to save a Warden's life, but you turned her down. And she did what she had to do.
Players may feel trivialized, if they choose to, because they refuse to accept the fact, that Morrigan and Flemeth could have contingencies to achieve their goal, that did not involve getting permission to bed a Warden the night before the Archdemon was slain. If that had been their only plan, I would say they would have been pretty stupid. Nobody would have planned so stupidly, not for something of such monumental importance. And IF that was the only way, Morrigan would have swallowed her pride, and acted a lot nicer to everyone in the party, to make sure that when the time came, she would not be refused. And she certainly would not have laid all her cards on the table to the Warden, especially if there was a chance she was refused. Her closing statement, if you refused her, should be proof enough that she has not given up on her plan to capture the Old God essense. She has only given up on the Warden's aid.
As to your last statement, you are certainly willing to trivialize why people want to have the OGB in the game. The primary reason is that an Old God reincarnated in the world, free of the Taint, could be a new chance for those on Thedas. The way things are going now, is certainly nothing to brag about. Having a chance to see our Wardens again, and with Morrigan would only be a side benefit, and I doubt few of us expect that will last very long, since the Main Character in upcoming games will never be the Warden.
As pointed out before, there have been many authors on this thread alone that have offered valid reasons why OGB should be canon (if we have to make a choice), and how it can be reconciled in a logical way to make all endings of DAO valid. However, none of those that object to OGB have come up with a rationale way to deal with the lack of an OGB if that is made canon, for those players that did DR. The closest I have seen is to kill the OGB at a young age, which by far is more insulting and trivialized than allowing Morrigan and Flemeth to outwit the Warden.
Modifié par Dakota Strider, 01 juin 2012 - 10:06 .
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