Hawke should BE the protagonist in my honest opinion. But there should also be two more scenarios, a Warden one and a Seeker one. This would give the player the choice to play up to three different characters (races and classes included. I'm not sure how the Grey Warden from Dragon Age Origins would fit into this, but meh... That's how I think DA3 whould be. Three origins, multiple races exclusively for Warden & Seeker + Hawke's story being continued for the people who actually want Hawke to be back (like me).
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#452
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:22
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Teddie Sage wrote...
Hawke should BE the protagonist in my honest opinion. But there should also be two more scenarios, a Warden one and a Seeker one. This would give the player the choice to play up to three different characters (races and classes included. I'm not sure how the Grey Warden from Dragon Age Origins would fit into this, but meh... That's how I think DA3 whould be. Three origins, multiple races exclusively for Warden & Seeker + Hawke's story being continued for the people who actually want Hawke to be back (like me).
Hate to say this but considering DA:2 only sold half of what Origins sold, I would not expect to see Hawke.
Im predicting we will get Varric in DA:3 and depending on a players choices...we will get some closure, but thats the extent of it.
That said, I don't expect to hear about the Warden either but if they ever brought the Warden back my guess is they would retcon it to the most popular origins played to save the resources.
And that would cause so much outrage it will never happen.
I think instead of Origins............
It should be Hawke, Seeker, Apostate Mage, and possibly if they did retcon (The Warden)
The one thing I always wanted was my Amell to meet her cousin Hawke.
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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 01:56
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Melca36 wrote...
Teddie Sage wrote...
Hawke should BE the protagonist in my honest opinion. But there should also be two more scenarios, a Warden one and a Seeker one. This would give the player the choice to play up to three different characters (races and classes included. I'm not sure how the Grey Warden from Dragon Age Origins would fit into this, but meh... That's how I think DA3 whould be. Three origins, multiple races exclusively for Warden & Seeker + Hawke's story being continued for the people who actually want Hawke to be back (like me).
Hate to say this but considering DA:2 only sold half of what Origins sold, I would not expect to see Hawke.
Im predicting we will get Varric in DA:3 and depending on a players choices...we will get some closure, but thats the extent of it.
That said, I don't expect to hear about the Warden either but if they ever brought the Warden back my guess is they would retcon it to the most popular origins played to save the resources.
And that would cause so much outrage it will never happen.
I think instead of Origins............
It should be Hawke, Seeker, Apostate Mage, and possibly if they did retcon (The Warden)
The one thing I always wanted was my Amell to meet her cousin Hawke.
This would be awesome! Amell Warden was always my favourite origin.
#454
Posté 25 juin 2012 - 07:03
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I totally disagree with this thread, im really for a different main character and new story each time.
#455
Posté 25 juin 2012 - 09:37
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No... Just no. No more Hawke, No more Warden... We all need a fresh start and to keep the other games at a distance. As soon as you try to include anything from the other two games (characters, previous choices etc.) you immediatly start to devide the masses.
Keep Hawke out, keep the Warden out. Keep all the previous allies out. Start new.
Keep Hawke out, keep the Warden out. Keep all the previous allies out. Start new.
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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:42
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Lord Nikon 001 wrote...
No... Just no. No more Hawke, No more Warden... We all need a fresh start and to keep the other games at a distance. As soon as you try to include anything from the other two games (characters, previous choices etc.) you immediatly start to devide the masses.
Keep Hawke out, keep the Warden out. Keep all the previous allies out. Start new.
How about No, I did not spend my money,time and energy on my playthroughs just to see it all poured down the drain.My decisions better be present and they better have consequence.
O/t: The problem for me isn't that the protagonist isn't consistent.The issue is, we're not getting any time to truly expierence these characters nor their trials and tribulations.When I bought origins, I was promised 2 years worth of expansions and adventures featuring the warden but all I got was less than a year and that's ok, the amount of warden's dlc was not to my liking but it was satisfactory enough.
However with Hawke, all we got was 2 prequel adventures within a year and that was it.I did not get to expierence or thoroughly enjoy Hawke's life and adventures through expansions and other dlc the way I should of been.When I heard Laidlaw's announcement that they were stopping da2 dlc to focus on da3, I wasn't overjoyed, I felt wounded and annoyed because right now I'm imersed in hawke's story and I'm just being forcefully ripped away from it, no matter what the writing team says, my hawkes story will always be incomplete to me because it was always mine to see through to the end and I was robbed of that along with all the money,time and hardwork I put into my gameplays.
When Da3 is released, if the team announces that they're scrapping all da3 expansions and dlc to to work on Da4, I'm done with this franchise for good, It hurts to be pulled away from something I enjoy before it's done.
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Posté 26 juin 2012 - 01:22
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I would prefer not to play Hawke again. I did not like him. I know that many do, and that is fine and good, but for me - if DA3 is Hawke again - I will not be buying it.
But then I do not want the Warden back either. I loved my Warden and do not want them ruined by voice over that would not match the pure baddassery that they were. With my luck it would be some nasally whiny voiced male actor and totally ruin it for me. So let me many Wardens (Elven Mage, City Elf, Dalish Elf, City Elf #2, etc.) be done.
A new character is not a bad way to do the games as they are more about Thedas than any one particular person. Perhaps I will actually like the next Character (I keep hoping so anyway). Who knows, maybe I will get to play an Elf again and even have a deep voiced character for once.
But then I do not want the Warden back either. I loved my Warden and do not want them ruined by voice over that would not match the pure baddassery that they were. With my luck it would be some nasally whiny voiced male actor and totally ruin it for me. So let me many Wardens (Elven Mage, City Elf, Dalish Elf, City Elf #2, etc.) be done.
A new character is not a bad way to do the games as they are more about Thedas than any one particular person. Perhaps I will actually like the next Character (I keep hoping so anyway). Who knows, maybe I will get to play an Elf again and even have a deep voiced character for once.
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Posté 26 juin 2012 - 06:29
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And now here's the reasons to cut, kill and bury Hawke:
1. Hawke is associated with Dragon Age 2 and its miserable fail and horrible reputation.
2. Hawke is associated with forgettable and shaloow companions.
3. Hawke could be cut from the Dragon Age franchize without consequences because in DA2 you get only one ending, in fact, no matter what you do. Differences are minimal.
4. Hawke have no impact on the story. Every decision is pre-defined in DA2 and in fact it does not matter if you side with mages or templars as the result is the same.
So, in fact, BioWare should not even MENTION Hawke to reduce already crippling damage from Dragon Age 2.
1. Hawke is associated with Dragon Age 2 and its miserable fail and horrible reputation.
2. Hawke is associated with forgettable and shaloow companions.
3. Hawke could be cut from the Dragon Age franchize without consequences because in DA2 you get only one ending, in fact, no matter what you do. Differences are minimal.
4. Hawke have no impact on the story. Every decision is pre-defined in DA2 and in fact it does not matter if you side with mages or templars as the result is the same.
So, in fact, BioWare should not even MENTION Hawke to reduce already crippling damage from Dragon Age 2.
#459
Posté 27 juin 2012 - 02:09
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I personally would like to see The Warden or Hawke come back in DA3(or both!), I am personally tired of new person every game idea ya'll think you need. The game should at least have 3-5 Games with said main characters, by that time folks will feel it's time to finally move on.
But new person every game, no. I say this as "main" story of Dragon Age which what DA1-2, probably 3 are leading into.
Now if you make side game spin-offs, say new guy here(Don't call it Dragon Age insert #), but Dragon Age: (Insert specific name). That say had ties to the main story you guys are telling, but obviously other things are going on(With option to even import that into main story in next main story game, with your other main story games), I wouldn't mind that.
Why? Well obviously there whole heck of a lot going on right now, that even the main story cannot cover, I would be very interested in it all. With that said though, this in my opinion is Bioware's last chance with me, I am being generous in my opinion on that. I've played their games since MDK & so on.
But with DA2(Don't get me wrong I do have 7 play sessions, I loved the Companions always have & I actually enjoyed the combat changes(not the raining men part), SWTOR(that's another barrel of apples), ME3(
), Then now being forced to use Origin(which prevented me from buying ME3, but I did play a friends copy on his rig over a weekend).
I hope they hit a home run this time, if not. I am 100% done with them as company I wish to buy product from.
JJ
But new person every game, no. I say this as "main" story of Dragon Age which what DA1-2, probably 3 are leading into.
Now if you make side game spin-offs, say new guy here(Don't call it Dragon Age insert #), but Dragon Age: (Insert specific name). That say had ties to the main story you guys are telling, but obviously other things are going on(With option to even import that into main story in next main story game, with your other main story games), I wouldn't mind that.
Why? Well obviously there whole heck of a lot going on right now, that even the main story cannot cover, I would be very interested in it all. With that said though, this in my opinion is Bioware's last chance with me, I am being generous in my opinion on that. I've played their games since MDK & so on.
But with DA2(Don't get me wrong I do have 7 play sessions, I loved the Companions always have & I actually enjoyed the combat changes(not the raining men part), SWTOR(that's another barrel of apples), ME3(
), Then now being forced to use Origin(which prevented me from buying ME3, but I did play a friends copy on his rig over a weekend).I hope they hit a home run this time, if not. I am 100% done with them as company I wish to buy product from.
JJ
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Posté 27 juin 2012 - 02:30
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I'm happy with them changing PC's every game, I would have been happy with them keeping the Warden as the PC for all games.
I would not be happy keeping Hawke as the PC, I never warmed to the character and she didn't feel like she was mine.
I would not be happy keeping Hawke as the PC, I never warmed to the character and she didn't feel like she was mine.
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Posté 27 juin 2012 - 07:06
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If people just want consistency, why not bring the Warden back? Or if he or she is unavailable, the Warden Commander from Awakenings?
Why must we be stuck with the Sheriff of Rottingham?
Why must we be stuck with the Sheriff of Rottingham?
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#462
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 03:57
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I believe if this is a true sequel then the warden and/or hawke should be the protagonist. It would even be cool if they went back and forth between the different stories (with the gamer playing each) until arriving at a point where the two converge at the epic ending and you control each in separate areas (choose who holds the gate versus takes down the bad guy). I think that would be a great way to tie it up.
In regards to the conversation a couple pages back, I personally think the best way to address the old god baby plot is to use a similar method as the wrex/wreav storyline in ME3. I was completely satisfied with the handling of that unlike the rachnii situation, which was just a couple dialogue lines to denote any difference. Basically, have Morrigan have it another way for those that did no do the ritual. I feel it would be wrong to establish canon there since that was a player choice moment.
Finally, having been on the ME boards a lot recently, I have to say that I am very pleased with the Bioware employee participation on the threads related to DA3.
In regards to the conversation a couple pages back, I personally think the best way to address the old god baby plot is to use a similar method as the wrex/wreav storyline in ME3. I was completely satisfied with the handling of that unlike the rachnii situation, which was just a couple dialogue lines to denote any difference. Basically, have Morrigan have it another way for those that did no do the ritual. I feel it would be wrong to establish canon there since that was a player choice moment.
Finally, having been on the ME boards a lot recently, I have to say that I am very pleased with the Bioware employee participation on the threads related to DA3.
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:02
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Nah I'm done with Hawke and the Warden now, I don't mind hearing about them... hell, I wouldn't even mind running into Hawke in DA3, but I wouldn't want to play either of them as the protagonist or as a companion again. Too many variables.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 03:38
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LolaLei wrote...
Nah I'm done with Hawke and the Warden now, I don't mind hearing about them... hell, I wouldn't even mind running into Hawke in DA3, but I wouldn't want to play either of them as the protagonist or as a companion again. Too many variables.
Then to paraphrase your Sig. I am done with Cullen, hope he never comes back again, other then in mentions & chatter.
See not everyone is done with something, now are they?
JJ
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 03:52
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JennDragonAge wrote...
I believe if this is a true sequel then the warden and/or hawke should be the protagonist. It would even be cool if they went back and forth between the different stories (with the gamer playing each) until arriving at a point where the two converge at the epic ending and you control each in separate areas (choose who holds the gate versus takes down the bad guy). I think that would be a great way to tie it up.
Fire Emblem has done that in the GC to Wii version. Same with Suikoden (in the same game).
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 05:37
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I think the trend of playing a different protagonist in a different part of Thedas should continue, but I want to go even further by not bothering to import stuff from the previous stories.
There is no rule that states every story must have the same protagonist. Stories work or don't work regardless if they keep the same primary protagonist.
Besides, we have two already (and possibly three). Who gets to go on-stage next? Why should it be Hawke over the Warden (or Warden Commander) or vice versa?
I wouldn't mind playing another character from the existing games that had plot-armor and were guaranteed to survive the end if the player completed the game. Yet, that's still a new protagonist just with more complications if they try to make everything weigh on previous events instead of current events to the new story.
There is no rule that states every story must have the same protagonist. Stories work or don't work regardless if they keep the same primary protagonist.
Besides, we have two already (and possibly three). Who gets to go on-stage next? Why should it be Hawke over the Warden (or Warden Commander) or vice versa?
I wouldn't mind playing another character from the existing games that had plot-armor and were guaranteed to survive the end if the player completed the game. Yet, that's still a new protagonist just with more complications if they try to make everything weigh on previous events instead of current events to the new story.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 07:02
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No @ OP, I approve of Bioware's mentioned earlier stance on this quite long time ago. New protaganist in each new game, it is not trilogy like ME. While all set in same DA franchise universe between each title it should have new protaganist each new game. You can continue the story of each protaganist in each of the titles individual DLC's.
As shown with backlash in ME section where people just cannot let go very easily emotionally or even like having the character do something they would not do simply due to having so many titles based on him or her is a negative Bioware should avoid with DA.
It not only limits the ability of Bioware to craft the stories they want but bites them on the derriere if ever does anything that goes against the previous game, same character persona. It opens vastly more possible stories that can be told if not putting yourself between rock and hard place of having same character through multiple games. So Bioware please no Hawke or Warden for DA3.
As shown with backlash in ME section where people just cannot let go very easily emotionally or even like having the character do something they would not do simply due to having so many titles based on him or her is a negative Bioware should avoid with DA.
It not only limits the ability of Bioware to craft the stories they want but bites them on the derriere if ever does anything that goes against the previous game, same character persona. It opens vastly more possible stories that can be told if not putting yourself between rock and hard place of having same character through multiple games. So Bioware please no Hawke or Warden for DA3.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 07:20
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JJDrakken wrote...
LolaLei wrote...
Nah I'm done with Hawke and the Warden now, I don't mind hearing about them... hell, I wouldn't even mind running into Hawke in DA3, but I wouldn't want to play either of them as the protagonist or as a companion again. Too many variables.
Then to paraphrase your Sig. I am done with Cullen, hope he never comes back again, other then in mentions & chatter.
See not everyone is done with something, now are they?
JJ
Jeez, why are you taking offence at someone just giving their opinion?
I mean it makes sense, while some people may want their Hawke/Warden back, the amount of variables always bites Bioware in the arse so they might as well just start on a clean slate while leaving their past protagonists to codices and comments from NPCs, or maybe a cameo if it's feasible.
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Posté 12 juillet 2012 - 01:09
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Honestly I wouldnt mind having the same hero for more then one game, I think it loses emmersion playing a different bigger than life hero in every game. However it really doesnt bother me if Bioware chooses a new hero every game either AS long as they bring closure to that hero adventure. This is something they really have not done in either Dragon Age game. Hawkes story had no conclusion what so ever. The Wardens was a bit better but by the end of witch hunt is was surrounded in mystery. then the very ending of DA2 destroyed what little closure either hero had. Players get attached to there characters and it does not do Bioware any good having a whole bunch of different hero's runni ng around with players wondering what the heck happened to them.
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Posté 12 juillet 2012 - 01:40
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Sorry. Disagree totally. I like having a new character with each game. Getting to know their story and their companions. I don't mind having character's, (not Hawke or the Warden) from previous games show up, but really wouldn't care if they didn't.
What I would like is to overhear someone talking about my character and some of my decisions. Did you hear what happend bla bla bla....
What I would like is to overhear someone talking about my character and some of my decisions. Did you hear what happend bla bla bla....
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Posté 12 juillet 2012 - 01:56
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Mark of the Dragon wrote...
Honestly I wouldnt mind having the same hero for more then one game, I think it loses emmersion playing a different bigger than life hero in every game. However it really doesnt bother me if Bioware chooses a new hero every game either AS long as they bring closure to that hero adventure. This is something they really have not done in either Dragon Age game. Hawkes story had no conclusion what so ever. The Wardens was a bit better but by the end of witch hunt is was surrounded in mystery. then the very ending of DA2 destroyed what little closure either hero had. Players get attached to there characters and it does not do Bioware any good having a whole bunch of different hero's runni ng around with players wondering what the heck happened to them.
The endings for both DA:O and DA2 were ok with me. One Warden and Alistair are off wondering the land, One mage is rebuilding the Wardens while Alistair and QA are taking care of the people and one sacrificed herself. Hawke and Anders are off somewhere hiding from the Templers or maybe getting other mages ready to fight for their rights. But they all worked ok for me. I ended the game knowing my character (some of them anyway) walked away from the final battle and are with their LI doing whatever they want to.
Now the Mage/Templar fight at the end of DA2 would have been nicer if everyone hadn't been insane no matter which side I fought with but the actual endings were ok for me. I would have liked it set up so whoever I was fighting with was sane and the other person was not.
I played Shepard through all 3 games and the 1st game she was mine, the 2nd game they started giving me options that my Shepard wouldn't have made and by the 3rd I had to squint to recognize her. I like the idea of playing the same character, but right now I don't think they can do it, unless they do something without the choices I enjoy making it's apparently just too hard to carry these over. And for DA3, personally, I really wouldn't want to play as Hawke or the Warden.
