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[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

It's capitalised so it must be true!
I dunno, I'm still on the forget DA2 existed bandwagon and seeing Hawke again won't be terribly conducive to it. Having said that Hawke isn't a terrible character and I liked him or her a lot more than Sheperrd.

[naminco]

I can definitely see where you are coming from, OP. Bringing up proof of other franchises that have done this or that successfully probably won't change anyone's mind on this issue. All I can say is this: you get out of a game what you put into it. If you (meaning anyone) played DAO to kill things messily and dramatically finish off ogres and dragons, then you're not going to get the same emotional attachment and enjoyment out of it that someone who played for the character customization, storyline, and companions did. If you look to enjoy yourself, have fun, and really get into the characters, then you will. If you look to nitpick through the game and find what you did not like, you won't. The writers can only take you so far: you can't sit back, cross your arms, and demand they feed you something emotional. You have to be willing to eat.

[Iosev]

I don't mind a new protagonist for each entry of the Dragon Age series, as long as the protagonist receives proper closure to their story. For the most part, I think the Warden's story had closure. Hawke, on the other hand, did not get the proper closure to his/her story. So at the very least, I'm hoping that Bioware provides closure to Hawke's story (and it better be more than a simple cameo appearance!).

Modifié par arcelonious, 23 mai 2012 - 07:10 .

[gwenhilde]

ME seems to be a bigger game than dragon age.Maybe because they kept the same protagonist?
I would have liked the option to choose my protagonist,it always nice to have the option to carry on with an existing story of a character or just start a new one.I do feel that hawke got enough closure
for me, I really did not like him,but my warden is king and I would like to see how that effects ferelden especially if his the 'warden' that's gone.

[Huntress]

I agree with you OP, but after seen what happen to Hawke and Shepard.. I don't know...

I get tired of players wanting depressing ends and killing the character that are worth keeping, the worst part is after they do that they try to indoctrinated you to see why their end is way better than your own...
Heck if there is nothing for this character to look for in the future why not kill them right after you create them?
Thats what a depressed person do, they finish themselves because there is nothing to look for.
in other note: I play games to win it and feel GOOD about it no the other way around.

[robertthebard]

gwenhilde wrote...

ME seems to be a bigger game than dragon age.Maybe because they kept the same protagonist?
I would have liked the option to choose my protagonist,it always nice to have the option to carry on with an existing story of a character or just start a new one.I do feel that hawke got enough closure
for me, I really did not like him,but my warden is king and I would like to see how that effects ferelden especially if his the 'warden' that's gone.

So while the Warden was working off his/her indentured servitude in Kirkwall, who was ending the Blight?

[DeathScepter]

as long as it is a good story, I don't mind if it is Warden, Hawke or new guy is the hero of Dragon Age 3

[Yggdrasil]

I personally disagree. I like having a fresh new character for each game. I think it would get a little tired otherwise, especially if you didn't click with the main character. I think a lot of people didn't care for Hawke. Even though I liked him, I think I would get seriously bored with playing him for the rest of my time in Thedas.

I even liked the open-ended way the game ended as to his fate. That way I can make up my own happily ever after without being constrained by Bioware canon. A person's story never truly ends until they die, and wrapping everything up in neat little packages would seem trite.

As for the Warden, I had him perform the ultimate sacrifice, and I would be peeved with an "oh wait, he's not dead" in the next game. That's what was so awful about Awakenings.

[meanieweenie]

I would prefer a new protagonist. It would seem logical in my mind that although the book is the same, the chapter is different. New players on the board for different parts of the whole. The Warden was needed to tell the tale of the Blight. Hawke was there to witness the beginnings of the mage / templar war. (I didn't particularly care for Hawke but that's another thread.) I, for one, will remain optimistic in welcoming a new MC.

[Yggdrasil]

Oh, one more thing. The problem with the "continuation of the story" of Mass Effect as opposed to the "starting from scratch" approach in Dragon Age is that it makes jumping into the series harder for new players.

I tried playing ME2, but I was so confused as to what had happened, who the characters were, etc. that I couldn't get into it. You gain a lot by playing DAII after playing Origins, but I don't think you would have any problem jumping straight into DAII and still feeling connected to the story and the characters.

[PsychoBlonde]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

I like the different character for each game idea. The same character ending a Blight, becoming Champion, getting involved in the Mage/Templar war, is just way too unbelievable. You can't have one person do all that. If Dragon Age is about different things happening all over Thedas you can't follow one person the whole time.

Indeed.  I would have preferred that they ditch Shepherd for ME2, personally.  Instead, we got The Resurrection of Space Jesus.

New protagonist.

[mopotter]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

I like the different character for each game idea. The same character ending a Blight, becoming Champion, getting involved in the Mage/Templar war, is just way too unbelievable. You can't have one person do all that. If Dragon Age is about different things happening all over Thedas you can't follow one person the whole time.

My 2 cents.

I'll ad my 2 cents to yours.    I like having a new character in each game.  I don't mind having previous characters drop in and say hi, but I prefer the main character to be someone new.  

My characters have relationships and it's just too dificult to bring all of these different relationships into a new game.  Much better, for me at least, to have someone new to learn about.

[mopotter]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

I like the different character for each game idea. The same character ending a Blight, becoming Champion, getting involved in the Mage/Templar war, is just way too unbelievable. You can't have one person do all that. If Dragon Age is about different things happening all over Thedas you can't follow one person the whole time.

Indeed.  I would have preferred that they ditch Shepherd for ME2, personally.  Instead, we got The Resurrection of Space Jesus.

New protagonist.

Shepard's personality change over the 3 game is one of the reasons I now prefer a new character for each game.  The idea sounded so nice, but the Shepard I started out with is not the Shepard I ended up with.  

[kakalxlax]

why dont we have both?

being able to plas as both the Hero and the Champion in the same game would be something in all the meaning of the word "EPIC"

[Cyne]

I love the idea of a consistent protagonist for all of the reasons mentioned by the OP, but they've already chosen not to do that with DA2. It should have been the Warden that continued, with a voice and an actual name. A lot of people who finished DAO probably didn't finish DA2, so there's that, too. If they do start continuing the protagonist, I'd like it to be from DA3 onwards, and with a definite plan for the main character over the next few games, like with Shepard in ME1-3.

Modifié par Cyne, 24 mai 2012 - 03:53 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

No, we don't need that limitation. I fully support the prospect of a new PC under largely differing circumstances to previous protagonists.

[Sejborg]

Playing as Hawke in DA3 sounds like a gamebreaker to me.

[AkiKishi]

Sejborg wrote...

Playing as Hawke in DA3 sounds like a gamebreaker to me.

I hope they die offscreen somewhere and you just hear about it like the mail for Kal in ME3. He deserved better, Hawke does not.

[Sejborg]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Playing as Hawke in DA3 sounds like a gamebreaker to me.

I hope they die offscreen somewhere and you just hear about it like the mail for Kal in ME3. He deserved better, Hawke does not.

It could be used as some background banter gossip between some npc's at a market or in a bar. 


Guy 1: Did you hear about the Champion of Kirkwall?

Guy 2: What about it?

Guy 1: This Hawke person wandered off a cliff and died!

Guy 2: Wow. What a moron.

Guy 3: That's not true. The Champion went sailing and drowned in some huge waves!

Guy 2: Speaking of drowning... Let's go to the tavern!

There could be alot of funny death stories around the world. 

[berelinde]

I wouldn't mind if Hawke came back, but I'd kind of prefer a new protagonist. I did care about Hawke just as I cared about the Warden, and I was able to achieve as much immersion as I wanted to in a computer game. (Is it just me, or are RPG buzzwords like "immersion" getting really stale?) I don't think it is absolutely necessary to have Hawke reappear in order to enjoy the game. That said, I did like Hawke. Or most of my Hawkes. There were a few I loathed, but if I didn't like them, it's because of the RP decisions I made... for the achievement. Which is a really stupid reason to RP a certain way, I might add.

If a past character were going to return, it would make more sense if it was Hawke, though. As someone else pointed out, the Warden stopping the Blight and then reappearing to save the world from civil war is a bit much, and since Hawke was present at the big bang, s/he would have a logical reason to want to see it through.

[Durang]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Now, try to apply a similar logic to the Dragon Age universe. There will never be a scene like the one I detailed above if the main character keeps changing throughout the series. With a changing protagonist the appeal to the player's pathos is greatly reduced, simply because we cannot fully sympathize with our MC's plight as strongly as we can with a consistent protagonist.

They have a scene just like that in Dragon Age: Origins, and guess what?  I didn't need three games to develop an attachment to my party members.  Hell, I felt that the DA:O scene was more heart wrenching than the ME3 one.  I couldn't disagree more with what you've witten here, and not just this paragraph but your entire post.

[Silfren]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

It seems as though Bioware's trying to create a continual storyline for the Dragon Age universe.

The problem is that, if they choose to have an ever-revolving door of Main Characters per each game, many players won't care long enough to see that storyline through.

Having 1 consistent protagonist in a series like this is crucially important: take Mass Effect's Commander Shepard, for example. While an avatar of a player and not precisely the player themselves, Commander Shepard created a unique, identifiable persona that everyone within the story and everyone watching the story could relate to, in some way, shape, or form. S/he is the gateway for the player into the universe, and in a sense, is the common bond through all 3 games that appealed to the player's pathos.

Some of the most phenomenal scenes in Mass Effect 3 involved the Final Goodbye's portion, where Shepard walked around to each squadmate and had a touching moment with them before the final battle. It was the culmination of over 100 hours and 3 games worth of dedication. By the end, we felt like the squadmates really became our friends; or family. It genuinely hurt to say goodbye. These guys had stuck by our main character until the bitter end, and the relationships we built with them throughout the series was nothing short of heartwrenching.

Now, try to apply a similar logic to the Dragon Age universe. There will never be a scene like the one I detailed above if the main character keeps changing throughout the series. With a changing protagonist the appeal to the player's pathos is greatly reduced, simply because we cannot fully sympathize with our MC's plight as strongly as we can with a consistent protagonist.

There will never be that common bond which has been with us since the beginning.

There will never be relationships between us (the MC) and our companions
that can be fully actualized and will genuinely hurt when the series is
over.

There will never be a point in which the long term consequences of difficult decisions can be realized from the perspective of the character who made them.

There will never be an opportunity to visit old friends and expound on the relationships we've built with them over the years.

There will never be full immersion into the Dragon Age universe since our perspective is forcibly changed per game.

There will never be pathos.

Bioware, it seemed as though you realized this issue when you created the character "Hawke". You were going to give the player that common bond that the universe so desperately needed- our appeal to pathos. Please do not go back on that ideal. Hawke was part of the problem in Dragon Age 2, but not the problem itself. Bring him back as an appeal to our pathos. Hawke needs to be the main character of Dragon Age 3.

Bioware has consistently stated since early in Origins that they intend to have a different protagonist for every DA game.  There is no point in having so many threads on this topic--and this is thread #468908209 at the point, nothing new, nothing original--because it simply is not going to happen. 

I don't think Mass Effect can be compared here.  It was one story about one person.  Dragon Age has never claimed to, nor pretended to be, the same endeavor.  It doesn't look to me at all like Bioware is attempting to create a single storyline.  DA:Origins was about the Blight.  It hinted at things to come in DA2, just as DA2 hints at things to come for DA3, but that isn't to say they plan on one single, over-arching storyline for the entire series.  Having connective, occasionally interrelated elements isn't the same thing at all.

[Silfren]

HiroVoid wrote...

Just about positive the original plan was to have Hawke as a continuous MC like Shepard, but that kind of changes when DA2's reception came in.

Not sure what you mean by "when DA2's reception came in," because it was well established by Bioware that a different protagonist was intended for each game before DA2 was even announced, and from what I was able to tell, was explicitly stated by Bioware (via Gaider) early in Origins.  Nothing related to DA2's "reception" had anything to do with it.  If it was the original plan, that original plan was changed at least a good year prior to DA2's announcement, if not even sooner.

[brushyourteeth]

Begemotka wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Playing as Hawke in DA3 sounds like a gamebreaker to me.

I hope they die offscreen somewhere and you just hear about it like the mail for Kal in ME3. He deserved better, Hawke does not.

It could be used as some background banter gossip between some npc's at a market or in a bar. 


Guy 1: Did you hear about the Champion of Kirkwall?

Guy 2: What about it?

Guy 1: This Hawke person wandered off a cliff and died!

Guy 2: Wow. What a moron.

Guy 3: That's not true. The Champion went sailing and drowned in some huge waves!

Guy 2: Speaking of drowning... Let's go to the tavern!

There could be alot of funny death stories around the world. 

LOL.    :lol:     Sejborg,that was hilarious.


-Heard what happened to that Hero of Ferelden woman?

-Ah,yes,she stopped the Blight or something,then disappeared.

-Well..I don`t know how to say this....word on the street is she tried to tame a griffon....and failed.

- What a bummer.

-Yeah.Anyway,let`s go eat some nugs.

"You heard about that Champion of Kirkwall?"

"No, what?"

"Seems the Arishok finally got his revenge - his bone sauce finally poisoned the gravy. Champion keeled over right into his supper."

"He did not! Well, that makes me hungry, it does."