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[The Jackal]

Cyberarmy wrote...

Yeah it is such a fiasco;

http://www.gamespot....4-hours-6378257

You can't be serious.

It set records because people have been waiting for it for over a decade. They bought it and now they are complaining because they cannot play it. They bought into the hype. I bet you if you would have gave them a choice some would have wanted their cash back.

Also I bet they inflated those numbers because they gave away a ton of diablo 3 for the annual pass. It's their fault for trying to be too greedy and do auction house for real money. That's just outrageous. A rich player could afford to buy everything.

While player's on moderate income cannot afford to spend at much. Thus the disadvantage. In Warcraft buying/selling gold was against the rules because "It gave players unfair advantage" further proof they will do anything for money.

[Tirigon]

greengoron89 wrote...


When did I say you were wrong about there not being a crack for Diablo III?

Here:

greengoron89 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

One may hate D3's DRM, but one thing can not be denied: It is by far the best any game has ever had so far.

...are you joking? Please tell me you're joking.

No,
honestly, you must be receiving kickbacks from Blizzard for posting
this tripe - or at least I hope so, because the alternatives are
considerably less flattering.

Or at least that's how I understood you; If I misunderstood, I apologize and ask you to clarify what you meant because I dont understand it then.

I'm not even the one who started the discussion about cracks - you brought that up, asking if one existed and for me to link you to it if so.

No, I said none exist. and that, therefore, I consider D3's the best DRM as it actually works.

I ran a Google search and came across some results indicating there might be one, but I'm not doing intensive searching for it or linking anyone to one if I find it, especially on a public forum which would likely result in a permaban for one or both of us. Not sending one over PM either.

Understandable, in a way. In fact that is why I do not link the source for my claim there is none, since that is obviously not possible without linking the site itself.

It's obvious that we're not on the same page here, so how about we flip a few pages back to the root discussion about DRM in general and cease talking about illegal activites, huh?

Agreed, though whether or not it can be circumvented IS important in that matter, for one reason;

I can support DRM that actually does its job and prevents piracy. I cant support it if it is cracked within a day after release anyways.

Modifié par Tirigon, 23 mai 2012 - 04:18 .

[Tirigon]

greengoron89 wrote...

It seems I misunderstood you, actually - I responded to that as a defense in favor of always-online DRM (no idea how anyone can do that with a straight face), not a declaration that the DRM component was a success.

Ok, glad we could settle it then:)


For the record: If I had to decide, DRM would not exist at all.

But IF - and that's a big if - it exists, I actually prefer the way Diablo3 did it over other ways of DRM, with which I used to have more problems.

The BattleNet at least offers some advantages such as being able to play from any PC without needing the DVD, downloading the client anew if needed, chatting with friend even in other games etc...; which is something no other DRM offers.

Modifié par Tirigon, 23 mai 2012 - 04:28 .

[Cyberarmy]

JasonRocker wrote...

Cyberarmy wrote...

Yeah it is such a fiasco;

http://www.gamespot....4-hours-6378257

Also I bet they inflated those numbers because they gave away a ton of diablo 3 for the annual pass. It's their fault for trying to be too greedy and do auction house for real money. That's just outrageous. A rich player could afford to buy everything.

If you have read the article (no need to read all, just first 2 paragraph would be sufficent) you would know 1.2 million annual passes were excluded. But why bother its always easy to jump to conclusions.

And despite D3s messy and troublesome first day, it sold 6.3 million first week which means after black Tuesday with so many " Q_Q"s everywhere, 2.8 million players bought after all that bug storm, knowingly.

And another  funny part was they apologized for connection problems and bugs/glitches of first week. How many gaming companies accept their failures?

And about RMAH, gold/power leveling/item trade is nearly old as internet itself. Rich and reckless people(or their children) always bought "power" ingame, illegaly.
Blizzard just legalized this and gonna get his cut(%15?) 
I wont ever use normal/real AH to buy items, its just eliminates my entertaintment. But im thinking to use RMAH to sell some Legendary/set items, it will be nice after all those gaming years to earn some money without joining any tournaments.




Edit: Official link ;
http://eu.blizzard.c...html?id=4662221 

Modifié par Cyberarmy, 23 mai 2012 - 06:24 .

[Tirigon]

^ I must say, the Real Money Auctionhouse doenst bother me. I wont ever use it but I am not forced to, so why should I care?

the ingame money auction house is actually rather cool. Most items are ridiculously overprized but if you look a bit you can get real good stuff for infinitely better prizes than the ingame shops have, and its nice to get jewels (too low drop imo, and little cost in the AH).

[termokanden]

Tirigon wrote...

^ I must say, the Real Money Auctionhouse doenst bother me. I wont ever use it but I am not forced to, so why should I care?

Here's why I care. In many many levels I got barely any upgrades at all for my characters. Tons of stuff for other classes I have no intention of playing in the foreseeable future. It all screams auction house to me.

I won't say the game is not playable without it, but it sure seems like you're going to want to go there to make up for the game's inability to drop relevant loot.

Of course you don't need to spend real money to use the auction house. But I don't care to use it in the first place. To me, it is boring.

Modifié par termokanden, 23 mai 2012 - 06:32 .

[Rockworm503]

Cyberarmy wrote...

Yeah it is such a fiasco;

http://www.gamespot....4-hours-6378257

That says more about people blindly buying it than the game itself.

[termokanden]

Oh please. A lot of people actually like it.

[Rockworm503]

termokanden wrote...

Oh please. A lot of people actually like it.

Is that directed to me?
What exactly is your point?
A lot of people liked Duke Nukem Forever doesn't mean anything to me.

[termokanden]

If they liked the game, do you have a right to claim they made a blind purchase and somehow got ripped off?

[Rockworm503]

termokanden wrote...

If they liked the game, do you have a right to claim they made a blind purchase and somehow got ripped off?

If their playing the game at all than I'm genuinely impressed.
My point is most people bought it out of hype and many can't even play what they bought.
Lets just ignore that because some people like it 

[termokanden]

I don't want to ignore it. But let's not forget that a lot of people actually did enjoy the game and still are. Not really fair to label them as blind fanboys. Some of them maybe, but the ones I know sure did seem to enjoy it.

[Tirigon]

termokanden wrote...


Here's why I care. In many many levels I got barely any upgrades at all for my characters. Tons of stuff for other classes I have no intention of playing in the foreseeable future. It all screams auction house to me.

I won't say the game is not playable without it, but it sure seems like you're going to want to go there to make up for the game's inability to drop relevant loot.

Of course you don't need to spend real money to use the auction house. But I don't care to use it in the first place. To me, it is boring.

But where is the difference if instead they would have better dropchances? Would that not make it equally boring then?

[Rockworm503]

I don't care about those people. They got the product they payed for and if they like it than great their happy with their purchase.
What I care about are the people who are still having login issues over a week after the game came out.
Blizzard apologizes and now its all better?
All this does is make me happier and happier that i've adopted this policy of holding off on buying 60 dollar titles until some time has passed.

[Rockworm503]

I was recently called a graphic w**** because I didn't like Duke Nukem Forever. That of course doesn't mean every person who did like it are blind fanboys but I cant help but laugh at the thought that people who are happy with the game are just laughing and calling those who can't even log in QQ complainers with entitlement issues. So F-ing what if you can login and play and enjoy the game I'm not here to congratulate you for being able to play a game you payed for.
Give me a break this isn't about you this is about the poor schmuck who was looking forward to this game and doesn't even know if he'll like it because he can't get on.

[termokanden]

greengoron89 wrote...

I dunno - do you have a right to question if Rockworm has a right to claim they made a blind purchase or somehow got ripped off?

I *know* you don't have the right to ask me that question

Rockworm503 wrote...

I was recently called a graphic w**** because I didn't like Duke Nukem Forever. That of course doesn't mean every person who did like it are blind fanboys but I cant help but laugh at the thought that people who are happy with the game are just laughing and calling those who can't even log in QQ complainers with entitlement issues. So F-ing what if you can login and play and enjoy the game I'm not here to congratulate you for being able to play a game you payed for.
Give me a break this isn't about you this is about the poor schmuck who was looking forward to this game and doesn't even know if he'll like it because he can't get on.

Yeah you don't get what I'm saying. There's a tendency to say that either it's your own fault if you can't play due to login issues and such (clearly this is wrong), or that there's somehow something wrong with people who are enjoying the game. Can we just acknowledge that it has issues that Blizzard should resolve ASAP and stop dividing the playerbase in two polar opposites?

Oh and by the way, DNF sucked. That had nothing to do with the graphics.

Tirigon wrote...

But where is the difference if instead they would have better dropchances? Would that not make it equally boring then?

I think it's ridiculous that I got maybe 1 or 2 relevant rares throughout 3 acts of the game, considering a lot of bosses drop two of them. My point is that the leveling in a good RPG should provide steady upgrades. I don't think they are all that steady in D3. Droprates for awesome items should of course not be ridiculously high though.

[Tirigon]

termokanden wrote...


I think it's ridiculous that I got maybe 1 or 2 relevant rares throughout 3 acts of the game, considering a lot of bosses drop two of them. My point is that the leveling in a good RPG should provide steady upgrades. I don't think they are all that steady in D3. Droprates for awesome items should of course not be ridiculously high though.

Yea I see your point.

But the main problem in that aspect is that many classes cant use what they find. In my experience, I DO actually find better items at a steady rate, but a felt 90% are for another class, for example the 100 strength 2h-sword on the monk, or the 200 agility shield on the sorceress...

[termokanden]

That's the downside to playing solo I guess. But yeah, it's funny when you find a huge +intelligence axe.

Modifié par termokanden, 23 mai 2012 - 07:39 .

[Tirigon]

greengoron89 wrote...

termokanden wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I dunno - do you have a right to question if Rockworm has a right to claim they made a blind purchase or somehow got ripped off?

I *know* you don't have the right to ask me that question

But do you have a right to *know* I don't have a right to ask you if you have a right to question if Rockworm has a right to...

...okay, I'll stop now.

Right-ception.