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[Taboo]

Nothing Bioware is doing and has done makes any business sense so I have no idea what they could possibly be doing with it.

SPECULATIONS.

[ShepnTali]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

ArcanaLegacy wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
How many people will be angry if it isn't Indoctrination is what he was doing.

Oh gawd... It going to be another conspiracy all over again. ME3 ending outrage Round 2?
;;

At this point, I don't see any way to avoid this.

What I expect is a happy ending (happier ending I should say) more than anything, simply because closure is what people really want.

Not a battle with Harbinger.

Closure is my #1 too. I'll take all the bonuses they want to add for a more pleasing ending, as well.

[ChickenMan77]

You realize that alot of the posts on that thread are members who joined HTL....Today... which means they probably weren't members until this poll came out..I think it's being heavily skewed toward IT

[Taboo]

Any sane company in the film industry would have gone in and recut the film to please the audience.

I suppose that's what Bioware is doing but it will never mend all the damage.

[UrgentArchengel]

Ahahahahahahahahaha.

[Meatus]

ChickenMan77 wrote...

You realize that alot of the posts on that thread are members who joined HTL....Today... which means they probably weren't members until this poll came out..I think it's being heavily skewed toward IT

Er, if you look at all the IT polls on this site, it's almost identical. All around 75%+ in favor of IT.

At this point, I'm sure they've already decided where they're going with this EC anyway, if that's any comfort to you.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

ChickenMan77 wrote...

You realize that alot of the posts on that thread are members who joined HTL....Today... which means they probably weren't members until this poll came out..I think it's being heavily skewed toward IT

I disagree a lot of people (myself included) seen the post on here and went over and voted. I admit I just joined today because I had no reason to before. If it helps to get the point across then I see nothing wrong with a lot of voters being new members. There plenty of people on here who do not believe or do not want rather the IT theory at all in any way, shape, or form. They have just as much opportunity as the rest of us to vote on it.

[ZackG312]

ChickenMan77 wrote...

You realize that alot of the posts on that thread are members who joined HTL....Today... which means they probably weren't members until this poll came out..I think it's being heavily skewed toward IT

I joined today and voted yes.

[ShepnTali]

ChickenMan77 wrote...

You realize that alot of the posts on that thread are members who joined HTL....Today... which means they probably weren't members until this poll came out..I think it's being heavily skewed toward IT

If that's true, you figure you would be prepared for it. Maybe it'll figure into their calculation system.

But I sense some panic here. Is it possible they're stuck on how to deal with this?

[Taboo]

Meatus wrote...

ChickenMan77 wrote...

You realize that alot of the posts on that thread are members who joined HTL....Today... which means they probably weren't members until this poll came out..I think it's being heavily skewed toward IT

Er, if you look at all the IT polls on this site, it's almost identical. All around 75%+ in favor of IT.

At this point, I'm sure they've already decided where they're going with this EC anyway, if that's any comfort to you.

They did when they entered production, which was weeks ago.

[Joolazoo]

ShepnTali wrote...

Jonata wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

liggy002 wrote...


Most people don't mind it on my poll here on the BSN.... the numbers are about the same, 70% or so either don't mind it or are in favor of it.

There's a big difference between "don't mind it" and "yes I fully believe in it".

Yes, I know, but I'm just saying that most people wouldn't throw an ape fit if that is what they ended up with.

Indoc incoming, in some form. The trend is becoming pretty clear, and it's starting to steamroll. I think the reason is it atleast gives the ending a 2nd life, and the ability to invalidate the ending as is. At the same time, IT can technically fit in, while not being a retcon. Kinda sorta retcon without retconning. 

Who knows. Strange days.

Wait. I don't understand... how the Indoctrination Theory can fit in without entirely retconning the endings that we got now? As a pro-ender that do want the possibility of at least one happy ending that possibility intrigues me. 

I'm saying the argument can be made that indoc being true in some form, in DLC, isn't a retcon, but rather, the whole story. Arguments can go both ways, and technicalities have there place. This isn't a judgement on whether it's a retcon or not. Just that there's different ways of looking at it.

that argument is contingent on something being true that Bioware will never admit: they made a half assed game that didn't have an ending. Even Bioware would deny this.

[OO9 Lives]

I've added my support for the indoctrination theory.

[Taboo]

The announcement of the Extended Cut is an admission they have a half ass ending.

The fact that it's free also tells you something.

They are spending thousands of dollars to do it for us and won't see a return profit until 2014, and by that time everyone will have moved on.

[Joolazoo]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The announcement of the Extended Cut is an admission they have a half ass ending.

The fact that it's free also tells you something.

They are spending thousands of dollars to do it for us and won't see a return profit until 2014, and by that time everyone will have moved on.

there's a difference between a half assed ending and no ending at all. Bioware is saying that there ending wasn't good enough now, but they would be admitting that there was no ending if IT was true since in reality we didn't even see the concluding arc of the story.

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The announcement of the Extended Cut is an admission they have a half ass ending.

You're putting words in their mouths again.

[Heather Cline]

Interesting. IT is still a load better than what we got or what we are actually getting in this EC which no one really wants.

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The announcement of the Extended Cut is an admission they have a half ass ending.

You're putting words in their mouths again.

I can't put words into their mouths when they're so tight lipped.

It's a concession.

[jsadalia]

Predictably, a lot of people over there (and here) are choosing to misinterpet the point of the poll. The question was to determine how many people believe IT to be real. Instead there's a lot of "I support IT," which is rather different, and "I want IT to be true," also very different. Not sure how useful the numbers will be for their originally intended purpose.

[jsadalia]

Heather Cline wrote...

Interesting. IT is still a load better than what we got or what we are actually getting in this EC which no one really wants.

I want it.

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's a concession.

Indeed, but a concession isn't an admission of guilt. 

[covertdrizzt]

Heather Cline wrote...

Interesting. IT is still a load better than what we got or what we are actually getting in this EC which no one really wants.

I want it.  I'm not confused by P.R. babble.

[ChickenMan77]

Meatus wrote...

ChickenMan77 wrote...

You realize that alot of the posts on that thread are members who joined HTL....Today... which means they probably weren't members until this poll came out..I think it's being heavily skewed toward IT

Er, if you look at all the IT polls on this site, it's almost identical. All around 75%+ in favor of IT.

At this point, I'm sure they've already decided where they're going with this EC anyway, if that's any comfort to you.

You just proved my point.... the poll has increased from about 50/50 to around 75 percent  IT which is what you say is the average for most pro/anti IT polls on the BSN.

Since the EC is already being produced why would they care what the HTL group the angriest of their fans wants or thinks about IT? or maybe Evil Chris Priestly is just Evil..I still can't belive that's the same guy..I thought It was just a clever pun..like HTL is the bizzaro BSN forums...

Modifié par ChickenMan77, 23 mai 2012 - 01:48 .

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's a concession.

Indeed, but a concession isn't an admission of guilt. 

If they believed the art was perfect they would not make concessions.

Guilt comes next. We could just as easily see something come afterword.

I doubt that though.

Someone is guilty though.

[eddieoctane]

If they could somehow convince us that IT was the original intent, BioWare would go down as rather stupid in the PR department but geniuses on the writing side. I care far more about the latter in my games. PR guys are a dime a dozen. But a good game is hard to come by.

jsadalia wrote...

Predictably, a lot of people over there
(and here) are choosing to misinterpet the point of the poll. The
question was to determine how many people believe IT to be real.
Instead there's a lot of "I support IT," which is rather different, and
"I want IT to be true," also very different. Not sure how useful the
numbers will be for their originally intended purpose.

Depends on your definition of a belief. If you understand the philosophical concept of solipsism, even things backed up by hard science are only beliefs. And if BioWare is trying to gauge how positive an inclusion of some variant of IT would be in the EC, anyone who supports it should be counted towards that figure.

I personally don't know what I believe. Occam's razor says that the ending is bad because of bad writing, and as a man of science, part of me leans that way. But past experience says that BioWare is far better that what the ending presents itself as. The game itself contains so much excellent writing that to fall flat so suddenly is rather odd. And since EA wants to push DLC, selling the ending as a separate product is nothing new to the game industry, and BioWare themselves has made the "nope, it's all a dream and you made the wrong choice so no waking up for you" a feature in the past, part of me leans towards IT.

Modifié par eddieoctane, 23 mai 2012 - 02:10 .

[vasametropolis]

The one major problem with the the main indoctrination theory is that the game has no ending. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, even if you choose "correctly." Nothing happens, the Reapers are still around, and it's a cliffhanger. For this reason it was evidently not the intention.

Even though it's a crazy stretch, it is pretty good in almost every other way. It even makes the Human Reaper recovery play a significant role in the end. If you destroyed the collector base, the reaper HEART is recovered to power the crucible. Since it's merely a power source, this explains why the Destroy ending is the first available choice with the lowest EMS (or rather why Control is not the first available in this circumstance, which I've outline below).

If you save the collector base, the BRAIN is recovered. In this case, Control is the first available ending with low EMS. This makes sense for the most part, because the catalyst/crucible combo could have the influence of the brain to help it, making it more difficult (read need higher EMS) to overcome it and unlock the other endings (red in particular).

Since IT likes to think that Blue and Green are bad outcomes, it would make sense that a Reaper brain could push the more undesirable outcome on you by default, like Control. If you destroyed the base, you will by default get the best choice. If your EMS is high enough, you'll get the added bonus of seeing that you wake up, possibly breaking "the spell."

I'm not a believer of the theory though. It makes sense, but is undeniably not what was intended. Either that or they just did an awful job of having it come through, and decided to leave us with no ending at all. I'd like to think that despite all this they were not that foolish.

Modifié par xCaptainAmazing, 23 mai 2012 - 02:08 .