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[hoodaticus]

Meatus wrote...

ChickenMan77 wrote...

You realize that alot of the posts on that thread are members who joined HTL....Today... which means they probably weren't members until this poll came out..I think it's being heavily skewed toward IT

Er, if you look at all the IT polls on this site, it's almost identical. All around 75%+ in favor of IT.

At this point, I'm sure they've already decided where they're going with this EC anyway, if that's any comfort to you.

Not true; the most heavily-promoted polls got as low as 62% believing in IT on these forums (those had around 500 respondents).

[jijeebo]

Urgh, why can't Bioware just tell us what they're planning... This is getting ridiculous.


It's been almost 3 months now and I'd like to know if my ending is actually an ending.

[Meatus]

ChickenMan77 wrote...

Meatus wrote...

ChickenMan77 wrote...

You realize that alot of the posts on that thread are members who joined HTL....Today... which means they probably weren't members until this poll came out..I think it's being heavily skewed toward IT

Er, if you look at all the IT polls on this site, it's almost identical. All around 75%+ in favor of IT.

At this point, I'm sure they've already decided where they're going with this EC anyway, if that's any comfort to you.

You just proved my point.... the poll has increased from about 50/50 to around 75 percent  IT which is what you say is the average for most pro/anti IT polls on the BSN.

Since the EC is already being produced why would they care what the HTL group the angriest of their fans wants or thinks about IT? or maybe Evil Chris Priestly is just Evil..I still can't belive that's the same guy..I thought It was just a clever pun..like HTL is the bizzaro BSN forums...

At what point was it 50/50? When it was an extremely tiny sample size? The larger it gets, the more accurate the reflection. Even now it's a small sample size, but like someone mentioned, Anti-IT people have the exact same opportunity to vote in the poll as people who endorse IT. Where are you getting that it's skewed? I'd say it's pretty safe to assume that almost everyone on HTL has an account on BSN. If anything, based on the principle that HTL was founded on, I would think the results would be in favor of Anti-IT, considering many, if not most of these people are "holding the line" for new endings completely.

Also, I assure you it's the same guy. I'm sure if you ask him on Twitter, he'll tell you himself. He's already confirmed it on there. As far as why they care; probably because that's Chris Priestly's job, and the EC is being produced to cater to the people who don't like the endings as-is, so it makes sense to collect data on a site like HTL, where the userbase is more specific as far as the target demographic for EC. And again, even if Pro-Enders from BSN decided to vote in that poll, we can be sure they'd vote "no".

[hoodaticus]

xCaptainAmazing wrote...

The one major problem with the the main indoctrination theory is that the game has no ending. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, even if you choose "correctly." Nothing happens, the Reapers are still around, and it's a cliffhanger. For this reason it was evidently not the intention.

Even though it's a crazy stretch, it is pretty good in almost every way otherwise. It even makes the Human Reaper recovery play a significant role in the end. If you destroyed the collector base, the reaper HEART is recovered to power the crucible. This explains why the Destroy ending is the first available choice with the lowest EMS, or rather why it's not Control which is below:

If you save the collector base, the BRAIN is recovered. In this case, Control is the first available ending with low EMS. This makes sense, because the catalyst/crucible combo could have the influence of the brain to help it, making it more difficult (read higher EMS) to overcome it and unlock the other endings.

ZOMG I had no idea with control + saving the collector base, you actually plug a reaper brain into the crucible.

The consequences of that for IT theory are... incredible.  It seems that in at least one of the alternate universes created by player choice, the Crucible is definitely a reaper indoctrination device.  How else would anyone be dumb enough to plug a Reaper brain into anything?  The thing should be killed with fire.

And if the Crucible is a Reaper indoctrination device in one of the alternate universes, why not all of them?

Modifié par hoodaticus, 23 mai 2012 - 02:12 .

[jsadalia]

xCaptainAmazing wrote...

The one major problem with the the main indoctrination theory is that the game has no ending. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, even if you choose "correctly." Nothing happens, the Reapers are still around, and it's a cliffhanger. For this reason it was evidently not the intention.

Even though it's a crazy stretch, it is pretty good in almost every way otherwise. It even makes the Human Reaper recovery play a significant role in the end. If you destroyed the collector base, the reaper HEART is recovered to power the crucible. This explains why the Destroy ending is the first available choice with the lowest EMS, or rather why it's not Control which is below:

If you save the collector base, the BRAIN is recovered. In this case, Control is the first available ending with low EMS. This makes sense, because the catalyst/crucible combo could have the influence of the brain to help it, making it more difficult (read higher EMS) to overcome it and unlock the other endings.

The heart or brain recovery is equally significant without IT. The heart makes the Crucible more powerful, and so more destructive.  The brain provides insight to reaper thought processes and so makes controlling them via the Crucible easier.

[jsadalia]

Meatus wrote...

ChickenMan77 wrote...

Meatus wrote...

ChickenMan77 wrote...

You realize that alot of the posts on that thread are members who joined HTL....Today... which means they probably weren't members until this poll came out..I think it's being heavily skewed toward IT

Er, if you look at all the IT polls on this site, it's almost identical. All around 75%+ in favor of IT.

At this point, I'm sure they've already decided where they're going with this EC anyway, if that's any comfort to you.

You just proved my point.... the poll has increased from about 50/50 to around 75 percent  IT which is what you say is the average for most pro/anti IT polls on the BSN.

Since the EC is already being produced why would they care what the HTL group the angriest of their fans wants or thinks about IT? or maybe Evil Chris Priestly is just Evil..I still can't belive that's the same guy..I thought It was just a clever pun..like HTL is the bizzaro BSN forums...

At what point was it 50/50? When it was an extremely tiny sample size? The larger it gets, the more accurate the reflection. Even now it's a small sample size, but like someone mentioned, Anti-IT people have the exact same opportunity to vote in the poll as people who endorse IT. Where are you getting that it's skewed? I'd say it's pretty safe to assume that almost everyone on HTL has an account on BSN. If anything, based on the principle that HTL was founded on, I would think the results would be in favor of Anti-IT, considering many, if not most of these people are "holding the line" for new endings completely.

Also, I assure you it's the same guy. I'm sure if you ask him on Twitter, he'll tell you himself. He's already confirmed it on there. As far as why they care; probably because that's Chris Priestly's job, and the EC is being produced to cater to the people who don't like the endings as-is, so it makes sense to collect data on a site like HTL, where the userbase is more specific as far as the target demographic for EC. And again, even if Pro-Enders from BSN decided to vote in that poll, we can be sure they'd vote "no".

It was actually about 50/50 right at the time the link was posted here (I clicked and looked right after posting).  Not that this necessarily means anything, most HTL folks hadn't had a chance to vote yet at that point.

[Jonata]

So what about this: the Indoctrination Theory simply proves that Shepard were being borderline influenced by Reapertech to not question the Catalyst judgement. With enough EMS and Paragon/Renegade score you can question his judgement and ultimately discover that no other Synthetic being really dies with Destroy.

Synthesis and Control get an extended cut were you can see the outcome of your final decision while Destroy get a whole new scene were you can reunite with your crew and/or LI after that breath.

Sounds good, doesn't it?

Modifié par Jonata, 23 mai 2012 - 02:14 .

[hoodaticus]

Jonata wrote...

So what about this: the Indoctrination Theory simply proves that Shepard were being borderline influenced by Reapertech to not question the Catalyst judgement. With enough EMS and Paragon/Renegade score you can question his judgement and ultimately discover that no other Synthetic being really dies with Destroy.

Synthesis and Control get an extended cut were you can see the outcome of your final decision while Destroy get a whole new scene were you can reunite with your crew and/or LI after that breath.

Sounds good, doesn't it?

I don't give a crap about synthetics (well, I do, but only when I have the luxury to).  All I care about is that Justin Beiber cannot control the Reapers.  If he did, ME1-3 never would have happened - the Galaxy would have been Reaped during the Roman Empire, humanity would have been spared, and Shepard's descendants for eons would never know of the Reapers, until they too were Reaped and Shepard's line was extinguished.

Starbrat Claimed:
1.  The Citadel is part of him.
2.  He controls the Reapers.

And We Know from ME1:
1.  The Citadel controls the keepers.
2.  The keepers can activate the Citadel and instantly bring in the Reapers from darkspace when signalled by the Citdael.

The cycle is 2000 years late as it is.  Why would the Reapers wait so long when all their ChildMaster has to do is tell the keepers to press the red button?  They wouldn't.

If the Starbrat told the truth, then ME1-3 never happened.  It's self-refuting.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 23 mai 2012 - 02:23 .

[dreamgazer]

Jonata wrote...

So what about this: the Indoctrination Theory simply proves that Shepard were being borderline influenced by Reapertech to not question the Catalyst judgement. With enough EMS and Paragon/Renegade score you can question his judgement and ultimately discover that no other Synthetic being really dies with Destroy.

Synthesis and Control get an extended cut were you can see the outcome of your final decision while Destroy get a whole new scene were you can reunite with your crew and/or LI after that breath.

Sounds good, doesn't it?

Ahh, you've stumbled onto the rough outline of how I would personally handle the EC at this point, while staying true to the debate-worthy nature of the ending. 

[DWH1982]

Jonata wrote...

So what about this: the Indoctrination Theory simply proves that Shepard were being borderline influenced by Reapertech to not question the Catalyst judgement. With enough EMS and Paragon/Renegade score you can question his judgement and ultimately discover that no other Synthetic being really dies with Destroy.

Synthesis and Control get an extended cut were you can see the outcome of your final decision while Destroy get a whole new scene were you can reunite with your crew and/or LI after that breath.

Sounds good, doesn't it?

Assuming there's some way for me to actually get the EMS I need, I could live with this.

[Clayless]

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

[vasametropolis]

jsadalia wrote...

xCaptainAmazing wrote...

The one major problem with the the main indoctrination theory is that the game has no ending. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, even if you choose "correctly." Nothing happens, the Reapers are still around, and it's a cliffhanger. For this reason it was evidently not the intention.

Even though it's a crazy stretch, it is pretty good in almost every way otherwise. It even makes the Human Reaper recovery play a significant role in the end. If you destroyed the collector base, the reaper HEART is recovered to power the crucible. This explains why the Destroy ending is the first available choice with the lowest EMS, or rather why it's not Control which is below:

If you save the collector base, the BRAIN is recovered. In this case, Control is the first available ending with low EMS. This makes sense, because the catalyst/crucible combo could have the influence of the brain to help it, making it more difficult (read higher EMS) to overcome it and unlock the other endings.

The heart or brain recovery is equally significant without IT. The heart makes the Crucible more powerful, and so more destructive.  The brain provides insight to reaper thought processes and so makes controlling them via the Crucible easier.

This is a good point, but I guess the plus here is that it can be used in either interpretation.

Modifié par xCaptainAmazing, 23 mai 2012 - 02:36 .

[eddieoctane]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

So you'd rather accept the bad writing in the ending and let the ME universe wither into nothing than acknowledge an incomplete game, even if the ending is released free of charge?

[delphonic]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

I'd take a good ending in Mass Effect 4 over a nonsensical ending in Mass Effect 3.

My concern is for the quality of the series as a whole, so if the ending is a cliffhanger for a sequel my response is "yes please".

[Dont Kaidan Me]

This is very touching. However, there are a few people in the "let us sell sneakers to you" thread, asking whether they can acquire the app to create a design without having to use Facebook.

It doesn't matter whether the answer is "yes" or "no" (although that's a bummer that people would be punished for not having an account). But regardless. An answer would be nice. On this board. Here. On the Bioware board.


ETA: Good to know Bioware is reaching out. I just hope it's not to gather opinion in order to shape the EC.

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 23 mai 2012 - 02:40 .

[Clayless]

eddieoctane wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

So you'd rather accept the bad writing in the ending and let the ME universe wither into nothing than acknowledge an incomplete game, even if the ending is released free of charge?

I'd rather have the EC added to the ending than an incomplete game.

[Taboo]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

So you'd rather accept the bad writing in the ending and let the ME universe wither into nothing than acknowledge an incomplete game, even if the ending is released free of charge?

I'd rather have the EC added to the ending than an incomplete game.

This.

[Necrotron]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

Would you rather that, or keep the current ending we have, just with more clarity?

Personally, I want indoctrination theory to be true, because it essentially erases all the horrible-ness of the ending we currently have.

[Peregrin25]

What I think BioWare should do is make Indoctrination Theory one of the final out comes. I also believe they should make numerous other outcomes in the Extended Cut based on the choice you make weather it be control, synthesis or destroy.

I think Indoctrination Theory theory being the only out come would be kinda of harsh to those that disagree. I am an Indoctrination Theory supporter but making that the only ending would be too linear like the game is already. I say based on the 3 choices, each should have a different outcome in the extended cut, while still leaving your choices having a drastic effect on the end of the game.

Indoctrination Theory theory or some of it for destroy and some other bad ass ideas for control and synthesis that have creative twists as well. That way everyone is happy if they were to do something like that. And then closure on top of it all.

That would be bad ass if they came up with some sort of crazy kinda plot twist based off each choice that has a major effect on the outcome of Shepard's story.

Modifié par Peregrin25, 23 mai 2012 - 02:57 .

[Peregrin25]

Bathaius wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

Would you rather that, or keep the current ending we have, just with more clarity?

Personally, I want indoctrination theory to be true, because it essentially erases all the horrible-ness of the ending we currently have.

I agree, but why not make Indoctrination Theory only for those that chose destroy and other possible creative plot tiwsts for those who chose synthesis and control. and also have the outcomes of each based on your overall EMS and Galactic Readiness values.

Modifié par Peregrin25, 23 mai 2012 - 03:08 .

[M0keys]

sounds like they're trying to figure out how to spin the PR when they finally release the EC

"see! we were hinting at this all along! The fans were expecting and hoping for everything we released!"

[zovoes]

Bathaius wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

Would you rather that, or keep the current ending we have, just with more clarity?

he likes the ending FYI if i remember right.

[Unschuld]

 

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

 

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I'd rather have the EC added to the ending than an incomplete game.

Your crying avatar suits you, and every post I read is in a sobbing voice.

The EC. Is. FREE.

Who the hell cares if they shipped an "incomplete game"? FREE. If they can pull off a nice enough twist, they'd deserve my money for the EC. As it stands, it's FREE, so complaining about  the game possibly having an alternate/expanded ending tacked on is ridiculous. FREE extra content. As it stands, the game is complete, and has a definitive(ly awful) ending. Honestly you're getting way too caught up in the principals of the matter. At the end of the day, if it's good, who cares?

It's FREE.

[balance5050]

Unschuld wrote...

 

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

 

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I'd rather have the EC added to the ending than an incomplete game.

Your crying avatar suits you, and every post I read is in a sobbing voice.

The EC. Is. FREE.

Who the hell cares if they shipped an "incomplete game"? FREE. If they can pull off a nice enough twist, they'd deserve my money for the EC. As it stands, it's FREE, so complaining about  the game possibly having an alternate/expanded ending tacked on is ridiculous. FREE extra content. As it stands, the game is complete, and has a definitive(ly awful) ending. Honestly you're getting way too caught up in the principals of the matter. At the end of the day, if it's good, who cares?

It's FREE.

So I heard that the E.C. is free.

[eddieoctane]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

So you'd rather accept the bad writing in the ending and let the ME universe wither into nothing than acknowledge an incomplete game, even if the ending is released free of charge?

I'd rather have the EC added to the ending than an incomplete game.

So changes to details during the main game is preferable to the EC containing additional content that has the actual ending? Why? Just on principle of being provided the full game?

Ralistically, if details were missing from the game that were necessary to understand BioWare's intent with the ending, it's still incomplete. No matter what, the need to add anything means the game isn't finished. The difference between the two cases is that in one, the rather depressing ending remains intact and the team must work much harder to regain the bulk of the core fans' favor, and in the other, they essentially get a clean slate to put together something successful