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[Darth_Trethon]

More important than the IT is what are they playing at? This has been the main focus of discussion since day 1 and now they're asking.....three months later....and why ask now? The EC is well into production so whatever they've decided to make is likely final....unless they've decided on something really stupid and they're just realizing it now.

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Darth_Trethon wrote...
More important than the IT is what are they playing at? This has been the main focus of discussion since day 1 and now they're asking.....three months later....and why ask now? The EC is well into production so whatever they've decided to make is likely final....unless they've decided on something really stupid and they're just realizing it now.

That's why, although it's nice Bioware is reaching out, I can't help but wonder if this is being done in order to shape the final product. Not sure if that's a cool move.

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 23 mai 2012 - 03:29 .

[Wabajakka]

Not sure what to think of this.

I guess it's cool he's communicating with some form of the ME community, but simply asking whether or not people believe IT is just strange. It really means nothing though, he's just asking and is implying nothing.

[Unschuld]

Orange Tee wrote...

Not sure what to think of this.

I guess it's cool he's communicating with some form of the ME community, but simply asking whether or not people believe IT is just strange. It really means nothing though, he's just asking and is implying nothing.

That's how it has to be, I think. Vague. Almost like a kinda "shadow-broker" thing to it, keeping the balance of power between the rage levels of the different facets of the fan groups.

[Clayless]

eddieoctane wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

So you'd rather accept the bad writing in the ending and let the ME universe wither into nothing than acknowledge an incomplete game, even if the ending is released free of charge?

I'd rather have the EC added to the ending than an incomplete game.

So changes to details during the main game is preferable to the EC containing additional content that has the actual ending? Why? Just on principle of being provided the full game?

Ralistically, if details were missing from the game that were necessary to understand BioWare's intent with the ending, it's still incomplete. No matter what, the need to add anything means the game isn't finished. The difference between the two cases is that in one, the rather depressing ending remains intact and the team must work much harder to regain the bulk of the core fans' favor, and in the other, they essentially get a clean slate to put together something successful

That's all well and good but those that wont like the EC have more than likely already made up their mind about it, and will leave probably about 2 weeks after it's out.

And like I said I'd much rather have the ending we have now with more clarity and closure than "it was all a dream". By the looks of their pre-release statement they're doing just that, and I honestly have no idea what Chris is doing here or what the point in it is, it seems rather counter-productive.

[Unschuld]

Opsrbest wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The announcement of the Extended Cut is an admission they have a half ass ending.

The fact that it's free also tells you something.

They are spending thousands of dollars to do it for us and won't see a return profit until 2014, and by that time everyone will have moved on.

You are highly over estimating the costs Bioware will face from the EC DLC.

Overestimating or underestimating? I'm pretty sure that it's costing them just a *little* more than a few thousand dollars in development costs.

[Unschuld]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...
That's all well and good but those that wont like the EC have more than likely already made up their mind about it, and will leave probably about 2 weeks after it's out.

And like I said I'd much rather have the ending we have now with more clarity and closure than "it was all a dream". By the looks of their pre-release statement they're doing just that, and I honestly have no idea what Chris is doing here or what the point in it is, it seems rather counter-productive.

I have a simple solution for you, since you like the endings as is: 

Don't download it.

[LazyTechGuy]

I typically over-think things so why stop now. I think Chris was solely trying to energize the IT discussion. He knew that thread would only turn into a debate showdown with people firing back and forth. The poll numbers don't mean anything. They aren't being recording or analyzed to gauge anything. He just wanted the conversation to hit that second spark.

It's interesting because I was under the impression that BW was shying away from even mentioning a specific theory about the ending or even the EC in general. They don't want to corner themselves like they did months ago. But Chris sorta jumps right into the IT discussion. The optimist in me thinks he would never mention the IT if he knew it wasn't going to be a part of the EC. I think he'd only mention IT if he knew it was going to be featured in some form. Otherwise why bring that up when you know every sentence you say is being judged by some pretty ferocious fans? The mere mention of IT from any BW employee is enough to shake the bee hive. He knows that and he knows things he says will be remembered. He wouldn't corner himself like that. Not again. Not so soon anyway. No, it feels like he knows something and he wanted to make sure the discussion kept going rather than slowly fade away.

[Wabajakka]

Unschuld wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The announcement of the Extended Cut is an admission they have a half ass ending.

The fact that it's free also tells you something.

They are spending thousands of dollars to do it for us and won't see a return profit until 2014, and by that time everyone will have moved on.

You are highly over estimating the costs Bioware will face from the EC DLC.

Overestimating or underestimating? I'm pretty sure that it's costing them just a *little* more than a few thousand dollars in development costs.

Oh it's costing them, doing these things are not cheap and to be honest they probably will not be seeing a return in profit at all, they probably won't even come close to breaking even with it when it costs money in 2014.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 23 mai 2012 - 03:45 .

[Clayless]

Unschuld wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...
That's all well and good but those that wont like the EC have more than likely already made up their mind about it, and will leave probably about 2 weeks after it's out.

And like I said I'd much rather have the ending we have now with more clarity and closure than "it was all a dream". By the looks of their pre-release statement they're doing just that, and I honestly have no idea what Chris is doing here or what the point in it is, it seems rather counter-productive.

I have a simple solution for you, since you like the endings as is: 

Don't download it.

Don't download the thing that falls in line perfectly with what I just said in my post?

[Unschuld]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Don't download the thing that falls in line perfectly with what I just said in my post?

Obviously not, I'm referring to the "it was just a dream" idea or even just the possibility that the endings weren't as they seemed that you appear to loath. Besides, you don't know (and nobody here knows) what exactly it is, anyway or what exactly it will involve. Why let bitterness over some supposed principals cloud your possible enjoyment? You may end up liking it.

Modifié par Unschuld, 23 mai 2012 - 03:52 .

[Clayless]

Unschuld wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Don't download the thing that falls in line perfectly with what I just said in my post?

Obviously not, I'm referring to the "it was just a dream" idea or even just the possibility that the endings weren't as they seemed that you appear to loath. Besides, you don't know (and nobody here knows) what exactly it is, anyway or what exactly it will involve. Why let bitterness over some supposed principals cloud your possible enjoyment? You may end up liking it.

I do know it wont change the endings or add new ones that's for sure.

Anyway the IT isn't that simple, this has never been Mass Effect: The Sims, if something happens it doesn't mean it's not canon if you don't do it, it means it exists in that universe you just haven't experienced it. Like Project Rho, Project Overlord, Liara killing the Shadow Broker and Javik. They exist in every universe it's just they don't have to be played by each Shep, yet they're still DLC. DLC that reveals the ending was a dream would be canon in every Shep's game, regardless of whether or not they played it. The universe is the same, it's the Shepards that are different.

[balance5050]

The EC will "change" the ending no matter how you look at it. An "addition" is a change.

[Malanek]

Opsrbest wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The announcement of the Extended Cut is an admission they have a half ass ending.

The fact that it's free also tells you something.

They are spending thousands of dollars to do it for us and won't see a return profit until 2014, and by that time everyone will have moved on.

You are highly over estimating the costs Bioware will face from the EC DLC.

 You think it's costing them less than $2,000?

[CARL_DF90]

I just have to say that after all this time I find it highly unlikely that Shep has completely avoided at least SOME of the effects of indoctrination. He's been around too much Reaper tech for it to be otherwise.

[eddieoctane]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Don't download the thing that falls in line perfectly with what I just said in my post?

Obviously not, I'm referring to the "it was just a dream" idea or even just the possibility that the endings weren't as they seemed that you appear to loath. Besides, you don't know (and nobody here knows) what exactly it is, anyway or what exactly it will involve. Why let bitterness over some supposed principals cloud your possible enjoyment? You may end up liking it.

I do know it wont change the endings or add new ones that's for sure.

Anyway the IT isn't that simple, this has never been Mass Effect: The Sims, if something happens it doesn't mean it's not canon if you don't do it, it means it exists in that universe you just haven't experienced it. Like Project Rho, Project Overlord, Liara killing the Shadow Broker and Javik. They exist in every universe it's just they don't have to be played by each Shep, yet they're still DLC. DLC that reveals the ending was a dream would be canon in every Shep's game, regardless of whether or not they played it. The universe is the same, it's the Shepards that are different.

A new cut has to change something. Otherwise, it's not a new cut. SOmething being added or removed is a change. No changes means the game is exactly the same. Do you not understand the definition of the word?

[wookieboy15]

Speculations!!!!

[forthary]

I think we're being trolled by somebody else, just in a more subtle way. Then again, if Chris asked that question on here, there would be a massive ****storm brewing. I don't know what to believe.

[Unschuld]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I do know it wont change the endings or add new ones that's for sure.

 

As someone else just stated, adding anything is a change regardless.

Our_Last_Scene wrote... 
Anyway the IT isn't that simple, this has never been Mass Effect: The Sims, if something happens it doesn't mean it's not canon if you don't do it, it means it exists in that universe you just haven't experienced it. Like Project Rho, Project Overlord, Liara killing the Shadow Broker and Javik. They exist in every universe it's just they don't have to be played by each Shep, yet they're still DLC. DLC that reveals the ending was a dream would be canon in every Shep's game, regardless of whether or not they played it. The universe is the same, it's the Shepards that are different.

No, that's incorrect on a few different levels. By that logic, if you don't do it it's not canon (yes, even the EC). If your preferred canon was the endings as-is, in a literal interpretation, then that's what happened for you and that is your canon. It goes along the same principal as people who didn't play Arrival, which was meant to be a segway into ME3. The game changes to tell you that since you didn't play the DLC, some team of Marines did the work for you. Same thing happens if you don't like the idea of an EC that makes everything a dream, only the game DOESN'T change for you. 

[Unschuld]

forthary wrote...

I think we're being trolled by somebody else, just in a more subtle way. Then again, if Chris asked that question on here, there would be a massive ****storm brewing. I don't know what to believe.

I think Chris Priestly confirmed on twitter that it IS him making these posts on HTL. 

[Clayless]

eddieoctane wrote...

A new cut has to change something. Otherwise, it's not a new cut. SOmething being added or removed is a change. No changes means the game is exactly the same. Do you not understand the definition of the word?

It's a fault in the English language then. For example:

A door opens and a boy walks through.

With DLC:

A few moments earlier a girl and a boy are standing outside a door, girl tells boy to open door and walk through, cut to other side, a door opens and a boy walks through.

You could say they changed that, I could say they didn't change it they just added a scene beforehand, but the original scene hasn't been changed.

[Clayless]

Unschuld wrote...

No, that's incorrect on a few different levels. By that logic, if you don't do it it's not canon (yes, even the EC). If your preferred canon was the endings as-is, in a literal interpretation, then that's what happened for you and that is your canon. It goes along the same principal as people who didn't play Arrival, which was meant to be a segway into ME3. The game changes to tell you that since you didn't play the DLC, some team of Marines did the work for you. Same thing happens if you don't like the idea of an EC that makes everything a dream, only the game DOESN'T change for you. 

As you can see, regardless of whether or not you downloaded or played Arrival, Project Rho existed in everyones universe.

Just like how, regardless of whether or not you download or play the IT, it'd exist in everyones universe.

[Unschuld]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

As you can see, regardless of whether or not you downloaded or played Arrival, Project Rho existed in everyones universe.

Just like how, regardless of whether or not you download or play the IT, it'd exist in everyones universe.

So if it doesn't exist in your universe, and you don't want it to, where is the problem?

Does it bother you that other people who do enjoy it get to enjoy it?

Modifié par Unschuld, 23 mai 2012 - 04:26 .

[Clayless]

Unschuld wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

As you can see, regardless of whether or not you downloaded or played Arrival, Project Rho existed in everyones universe.

Just like how, regardless of whether or not you download or play the IT, it'd exist in everyones universe.

So if it doesn't exist in your universe, and you don't want it to, where is the problem?

It would exist in my universe, just like Project Rho, I just wouldn't know because I haven't downloaded it.

There's the problem, it undermines every ending and every universe by making them all dreams regardless of whether or not you download the DLC. It's not a case of "Well my universe wasn't a dream" it's a case of "Well my universe is a dream I just never downloaded the DLC that makes me realise this". You know like Project Rho? It exists in every universe regardless of whether or not you download it.