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What an absolutely pointless s thing to ask. I can't think of a reason as to why they'd ask this, unless I put my retard cap on.

Because they want to know just how popular Indoc Theory is?
Currently around 1/3rd of the votes on the HTL thread are "No", so I don't believe it is pointless at all. Even of those who oppose the ending, only around 2/3rds believe IT is true.

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balance5050 wrote...

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"and same can be stated for idoc theory
so far i havent come across any proof to back it up"

LOL! You lost me bud....

I believe he may be referring to Hard, Concrete irrefutable proof - of which IT has none.

Every piece of "Proof" I have seen has had another possible explanation, and could easily be taken at face value.

However, IT does have more in game going for it than that beings of light thing IMO.

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The numbers are still climbing

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My speculation (that's what we are all here for, ain't we?):

Bioware: Ok Walters and Casey, you screwed it up big time, but we give you a chance to correct your mistakes. You know what went wrong, fix it.

1 month later.

Casey: Here's the script for EC.

Bioware. Fine. But this time: Peer-review time! Everyone get together and check this for plotholes.

Later

Bioware: Ok, this won't work. Plan B. Priestly, check what's the sit on Indoc within our community. We're running out of options.

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"Attributing personal statements to a company means we end up not sharing opinions." -Manveer Heir, the Curry Thunder (He linked this in his Twitter accompanying this statement from him.)

Don't read too much into it. His views are his own. Keep picking apart this stuff and he'll likely stop asking our opinions of things.

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My speculation (that's what we are all here for, ain't we?):

Bioware: Ok Walters and Casey, you screwed it up big time, but we give you a chance to correct your mistakes. You know what went wrong, fix it.

1 month later.

Casey: Here's the script for EC.

Bioware. Fine. But this time: Peer-review time! Everyone get together and check this for plotholes.

Later

Bioware: Ok, this won't work. Plan B. Priestly, check what's the sit on Indoc within our community. We're running out of options.


Very possible. Because as I said before, the ending sequence as it is, seems more like an attempt at abstract artistic expression than an actual logical conclusion to the narrative. As such, it can hardly be "clarified", as it were, because it was never meant to be clear in the first place.

Attempting to clarify it in it's present state would result likely result in another failure, and it probably will. 

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Comguard2 wrote...

My speculation (that's what we are all here for, ain't we?):

Bioware: Ok Walters and Casey, you screwed it up big time, but we give you a chance to correct your mistakes. You know what went wrong, fix it.

1 month later.

Casey: Here's the script for EC.

Bioware. Fine. But this time: Peer-review time! Everyone get together and check this for plotholes.

Later

Bioware: Ok, this won't work. Plan B. Priestly, check what's the sit on Indoc within our community. We're running out of options.

Very delusional. The fans don't write the game content, and if Bioware allow such a crap fanfiction to became real, they're just mad or childish desperate.
Because an adult and experienced developer will never fall for extremist/enraged/childish fans threats.

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I don't see why he'd make that poll there. It's the HTL site, for Mike's sake... the population sample is more inclined to say "yes" there than in any other place on the Internet. Except maybe here, of course, though I'm quite sure the populations overlap.

Regardless of all the discussion over the tiny details, "it was all a dream" is the first thing they tell you NOT to do when writing fiction unless you have a really good reason for it. Reason that ME doesn't have.

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davishepard wrote...

Comguard2 wrote...

My speculation (that's what we are all here for, ain't we?):

Bioware: Ok Walters and Casey, you screwed it up big time, but we give you a chance to correct your mistakes. You know what went wrong, fix it.

1 month later.

Casey: Here's the script for EC.

Bioware. Fine. But this time: Peer-review time! Everyone get together and check this for plotholes.

Later

Bioware: Ok, this won't work. Plan B. Priestly, check what's the sit on Indoc within our community. We're running out of options.

Very delusional. The fans don't write the game content, and if Bioware allow such a crap fanfiction to became real, they're just mad or childish desperate.
Because an adult and experienced developer will never fall for extremist/enraged/childish fans threats.


I do not support IT neither dismiss it, but right now, the only one who is being "extremist/enraged/childish" and may I add "presumptions" is you.

Just because you think something is stupid, it doesn't make it so.

They are making games for the people, not themselves, they need to sell games, not please their own fantasies, and if the option is to go with what is most popular, not only it is logical, but it is a clever PR manouver to show that BW listens and cares about thier fans.

I think Angelina Jolie's lips looks like an anus, but you know who agrees to this? Nobody...

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 23 mai 2012 - 01:14 .


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I doubt it means much of anything, I think IT supporters will be disappointed when the EC comes out.

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Wow, in the time i've been away, the "Yes" vote has really jumped into the lead.

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matthewmi wrote...

I doubt it means much of anything, I think IT supporters will be disappointed when the EC comes out.



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MadRabbit999 wrote...

I do not support IT neither dismiss it, but right now, the only one who is being "extremist/enraged/childish" and may I add "presumptions" is you.

Just because you think something is stupid, it doesn't make it so.

They are making games for the people, not themselves, they need to sell games, not please their own fantasies, and if the option is to go with what is most popular, not only it is logical, but it is a clever PR manouver to show that BW listens and cares about thier fans.

I think Angelina Jolie's lips looks like an anus, but you know who agrees to this? Nobody...

Actually, now that you mentioned that word, it's really pretty stupid to think that Bioware or any company would need to take a fan's fanfiction and put in their game because they have no idea what to do next. They created Mass Effect, and you accepting/dealing/understanding or not, they can create a way out the mess they put themselves.

They are making the game for people, and people can buy it or not.

Let me tell what it's presumptions. It's presumptions a fan thinking that they are more clever than the creators of the game, or saying that their fanfiction it's the only possible good way to go, while ignoring that if the fanfiction was really adopted, the retail version of ME3, released in March, that was supposed to end Shepard story, ended nothing. Talking about in-game story, it's delusional to think that the Reapers would take the time to try to indocrinate Shepard with a highly elaborated delusion, while they could just focus in kill the Galactic fleet and even Shepard.

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I think they are just considering their options at present.

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davishepard wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

I do not support IT neither dismiss it, but right now, the only one who is being "extremist/enraged/childish" and may I add "presumptions" is you.

Just because you think something is stupid, it doesn't make it so.

They are making games for the people, not themselves, they need to sell games, not please their own fantasies, and if the option is to go with what is most popular, not only it is logical, but it is a clever PR manouver to show that BW listens and cares about thier fans.

I think Angelina Jolie's lips looks like an anus, but you know who agrees to this? Nobody...

Actually, now that you mentioned that word, it's really pretty stupid to think that Bioware or any company would need to take a fan's fanfiction and put in their game because they have no idea what to do next. They created Mass Effect, and you accepting/dealing/understanding or not, they can create a way out the mess they put themselves.

They are making the game for people, and people can buy it or not.

Let me tell what it's presumptions. It's presumptions a fan thinking that they are more clever than the creators of the game, or saying that their fanfiction it's the only possible good way to go, while ignoring that if the fanfiction was really adopted, the retail version of ME3, released in March, that was supposed to end Shepard story, ended nothing. Talking about in-game story, it's delusional to think that the Reapers would take the time to try to indocrinate Shepard with a highly elaborated delusion, while they could just focus in kill the Galactic fleet and even Shepard.


Why is it delusional, when bioware was actually working on IT at first but decided not to.

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davishepard wrote...

Comguard2 wrote...

My speculation (that's what we are all here for, ain't we?):

Bioware: Ok Walters and Casey, you screwed it up big time, but we give you a chance to correct your mistakes. You know what went wrong, fix it.

1 month later.

Casey: Here's the script for EC.

Bioware. Fine. But this time: Peer-review time! Everyone get together and check this for plotholes.

Later

Bioware: Ok, this won't work. Plan B. Priestly, check what's the sit on Indoc within our community. We're running out of options.

Very delusional. The fans don't write the game content, and if Bioware allow such a crap fanfiction to became real, they're just mad or childish desperate.
Because an adult and experienced developer will never fall for extremist/enraged/childish fans threats.


An adult should also never post in the manner you just did.

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ReggarBlane wrote...

"Attributing personal statements to a company means we end up not sharing opinions." -Manveer Heir, the Curry Thunder (He linked this in his Twitter accompanying this statement from him.)

Don't read too much into it. His views are his own. Keep picking apart this stuff and he'll likely stop asking our opinions of things.


A wise post.

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If the "Extended Cut" is only a clarification, then it shouldn't take so much time making.. They are basically spending half a year or more on a DLC, so I expect it to have some pretty interesting content.

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YouHaveAProblem wrote...

If the "Extended Cut" is only a clarification, then it shouldn't take so much time making.. They are basically spending half a year or more on a DLC, so I expect it to have some pretty interesting content.

"Clarification" presumably mainly means lots of voice work and cut scenes.  These things do take time.

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Why is it delusional, when bioware was actually working on IT at first but decided not to.

It was never - never - stated that they worked in anything similar to IT. People distort as they wish what is stated in the Final Hours - they read "indocrination story where only the gameplay part was scrapped" when they should read "endgame sequence where Shepard would lose control of this body movements and fall under Reaper control". His body. Indocrination is nowhere mentioned, but people still distort the text. If you think enough, you will realize that they found a way to make Shepard lose control of his body movements in the retail game, using TIM. 

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jsadalia wrote...

YouHaveAProblem wrote...

If the "Extended Cut" is only a clarification, then it shouldn't take so much time making.. They are basically spending half a year or more on a DLC, so I expect it to have some pretty interesting content.

"Clarification" presumably mainly means lots of voice work and cut scenes.  These things do take time.


He missed the part with "more answers" and "epilouge" as as well.

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What an absolutely pointless s thing to ask. I can't think of a reason as to why they'd ask this, unless I put my retard cap on.

Because they want to know just how popular Indoc Theory is?
Currently around 1/3rd of the votes on the HTL thread are "No", so I don't believe it is pointless at all. Even of those who oppose the ending, only around 2/3rds believe IT is true.

The question has been asked numerous times on this very forum where they results were within the same margins as those on HTL.

If they really wanted to know they could have just as easily checked this forum.

And more importantly if you have been on the BSN during any of Chris's interactions with the BSN community the wording and phrasology that he used and has uses on the BSN before, is the same wording and phrasology he uses on HTL. He's not asking for input; he's asking for opinion, for a quantifiable measure

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Believe it was their original intention when they launched the game? No.

Believe if they will use it in the EC? Maybe.


I hope so too.

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I don't see why he'd make that poll there. It's the HTL site, for Mike's sake... the population sample is more inclined to say "yes" there than in any other place on the Internet. Except maybe here, of course, though I'm quite sure the populations overlap.

Regardless of all the discussion over the tiny details, "it was all a dream" is the first thing they tell you NOT to do when writing fiction unless you have a really good reason for it. Reason that ME doesn't have.


Well really, where else would he take it other than there or here where the bulk of the fans are? 

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AlexiusDAlex wrote...

I don't see why he'd make that poll there. It's the HTL site, for Mike's sake... the population sample is more inclined to say "yes" there than in any other place on the Internet. Except maybe here, of course, though I'm quite sure the populations overlap.

Regardless of all the discussion over the tiny details, "it was all a dream" is the first thing they tell you NOT to do when writing fiction unless you have a really good reason for it. Reason that ME doesn't have.


I disagree, the sample there would probably be more inclined to say NO, these are the fans that are the angriest at bioware, there the ones that caused all the comotion, and made the headlines, they want to be angry at bioware.

my guess is that bioware is asking these people to see if their anger has cooled down yet. if it has as- the poll seems to suggest, then IT is good to go.

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