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[BatmanTurian]

Unschuld wrote...

 

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't mean they're planning on telling us the game was shipped with no ending.

 

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I'd rather have the EC added to the ending than an incomplete game.

Your crying avatar suits you, and every post I read is in a sobbing voice.

The EC. Is. FREE.

Who the hell cares if they shipped an "incomplete game"? FREE. If they can pull off a nice enough twist, they'd deserve my money for the EC. As it stands, it's FREE, so complaining about  the game possibly having an alternate/expanded ending tacked on is ridiculous. FREE extra content. As it stands, the game is complete, and has a definitive(ly awful) ending. Honestly you're getting way too caught up in the principals of the matter. At the end of the day, if it's good, who cares?

It's FREE.

THIS. Stop getting worked up about an incomplete game. It's industry standard at this point. If the game didn't ship with the in-game DLC, then it's already an incomplete game. Making Javik DLC makes ME3 already an incomplete game. Get over it. We've been buying incomplete games since DLC itself first started.

[BatmanTurian]

Unschuld wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I do know it wont change the endings or add new ones that's for sure.

 

As someone else just stated, adding anything is a change regardless.

Our_Last_Scene wrote... 
Anyway the IT isn't that simple, this has never been Mass Effect: The Sims, if something happens it doesn't mean it's not canon if you don't do it, it means it exists in that universe you just haven't experienced it. Like Project Rho, Project Overlord, Liara killing the Shadow Broker and Javik. They exist in every universe it's just they don't have to be played by each Shep, yet they're still DLC. DLC that reveals the ending was a dream would be canon in every Shep's game, regardless of whether or not they played it. The universe is the same, it's the Shepards that are different.

No, that's incorrect on a few different levels. By that logic, if you don't do it it's not canon (yes, even the EC). If your preferred canon was the endings as-is, in a literal interpretation, then that's what happened for you and that is your canon. It goes along the same principal as people who didn't play Arrival, which was meant to be a segway into ME3. The game changes to tell you that since you didn't play the DLC, some team of Marines did the work for you. Same thing happens if you don't like the idea of an EC that makes everything a dream, only the game DOESN'T change for you. 

By the way, I'd just like to point out the wierdness that literalists display when they would rather stay in the matrix (the endings as-is) than swallow the red pill (see the real behind the fake) or even to go to great lengths to deny there is even a matrix. But I guess it's just human nature.

[Reclusiarch]

No, don't believe in it and I don't want it to be true.

[llbountyhunter]

WinterJedi wrote...

No, don't believe in it and I don't want it to be true.

well some people dont want to believe in evolution even though the evidence is in its favor..... its ok we understand.

[BatmanTurian]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I think it's bad to make a poll about such a question. Mainly because the voting can turn into this:

1) Yes. I believe in it.

2) No, but I hate the ending, and if clicking this might make you guys consider making a real ending where I beat the Reapers, and live happily ever after with my LI without killing the Geth and EDI, then I'm clicking yes.

3) No.

1 and 2 are the same thing. <_<

[darkchief10]

llbountyhunter wrote...

WinterJedi wrote...

No, don't believe in it and I don't want it to be true.

well some people dont want to believe in evolution even though the evidence is in its favor..... its ok we understand.

lol you CAN believe in evolution and still be spirtualist lol

[mjh417]

I find IT fascinating and cool, but even though it's the "makes sense" interpretation on the nonsensical ending we got, believing it to be true I think makes the problem only worse.

What would it mean for this new DLC, that if you "correctly" pick "destroy" that you wake up and then what, go through an entirely new real ending where you actually stop the Reapers??

If that's true than let's just skip the whole dumb hallucination part and get on with Shep after he wakes up. Whats the point of going through all that crap?

IT doenst really fix the problem at all. All's it does is cleverly and throughly apply logic to something that is illogical and the end result doesnt make for a good ending in any case.

[llbountyhunter]

darkchief10 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

WinterJedi wrote...

No, don't believe in it and I don't want it to be true.

well some people dont want to believe in evolution even though the evidence is in its favor..... its ok we understand.

lol you CAN believe in evolution and still be spirtualist lol

I never said anything about bieng a spiritualist. i was only speekingof evolution. I consider myself to be sandemanian anyways.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 23 mai 2012 - 04:13 .

[llbountyhunter]

mjh417 wrote...

I find IT fascinating and cool, but even though it's the "makes sense" interpretation on the nonsensical ending we got, believing it to be true I think makes the problem only worse.

What would it mean for this new DLC, that if you "correctly" pick "destroy" that you wake up and then what, go through an entirely new real ending where you actually stop the Reapers??

If that's true than let's just skip the whole dumb hallucination part and get on with Shep after he wakes up. Whats the point of going through all that crap?

IT doenst really fix the problem at all. All's it does is cleverly and throughly apply logic to something that is illogical and the end result doesnt make for a good ending in any case.

i dont see the problem.... thats like saying, why not  skip, me1, 2, and the beggining of 3 if where just going to befeat the reapers anyway. 

the path to victory is not always straight.

[brettc893]

Honestly, like it or not, Bioware going along with the IT is the smartest/ best thing they çould do.

It's either that or admit to being terrible writers.

[llbountyhunter]

llbountyhunter wrote...

AlexiusDAlex wrote...

I don't see why he'd make that poll there. It's the HTL site, for Mike's sake... the population sample is more inclined to say "yes" there than in any other place on the Internet. Except maybe here, of course, though I'm quite sure the populations overlap.

Regardless of all the discussion over the tiny details, "it was all a dream" is the first thing they tell you NOT to do when writing fiction unless you have a really good reason for it. Reason that ME doesn't have.

I disagree, the sample there would probably be more inclined to say NO, these are the fans that are the angriest at bioware, there the ones that caused all the comotion, and made the headlines, they want to be angry at bioware.

my guess is that bioware is asking these people to see if their anger has cooled down yet. if it has as- the poll seems to suggest, then IT is good to go.

[Brother Takka]

I would vote yes. but I can't be bothered to make an account just to vote there.

[ShepnTali]

The thing is, Bioware knows full well that just by asking this, ITers will be all a glow. The yesses are likely going to maintain in the poll. So do they pull the rug out from under them with EC... HaHa? Even Bioware can't be that cruel.

[The Angry One]

ShepnTali wrote...

The thing is, Bioware knows full well that just by asking this, ITers will be all a glow. The yesses are likely going to maintain in the poll. So do they pull the rug out from under them with EC... HaHa? Even Bioware can't be that cruel.

Sure they can. This way they keep hype up and people guessing (SPECULATION!!!!).

In the end, it turns out to have nothing to do with the EC. So what? Did BioWare promise anything? No.
So Chris Priestly made a post on an external forum, asking a question. That means nothing, and is in the end his actions as an individual.

That's the same reason BioWare employees keep saying things on Twitter. Because it's all opinion, and nothing they can be held accountable for. If people think it means anything... well, you just assumed, didn't you?
BioWare have become very good at this.

[llbountyhunter]

Opsrbest wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

AlexiusDAlex wrote...

I don't see why he'd make that poll there. It's the HTL site, for Mike's sake... the population sample is more inclined to say "yes" there than in any other place on the Internet. Except maybe here, of course, though I'm quite sure the populations overlap.

Regardless of all the discussion over the tiny details, "it was all a dream" is the first thing they tell you NOT to do when writing fiction unless you have a really good reason for it. Reason that ME doesn't have.

I disagree, the sample there would probably be more inclined to say NO, these are the fans that are the angriest at bioware, there the ones that caused all the comotion, and made the headlines, they want to be angry at bioware.

my guess is that bioware is asking these people to see if their anger has cooled down yet. if it has as- the poll seems to suggest, then IT is good to go.

So Biwoares plan is to what? Release ME3 without an ending, to release the EC that doesn't give an ending, to release a fourth game or another DLC to get the ending?

You really think that's going to go over any better?

....................I honeslty dont know how many time I have answered this question.


many games have already been shipped without their "poper" endings already. also the real ending had to be purchased for a price. its becoming the industry standard now. bioware would not be the first.

all the anger probably got us the pre-planned EC for free.

in EC, shepard (presumably) breaks free of indoc, and defeets the reapers.... or maybe indoc IS the way to defeat them. no need for a new game.

and yes many people think its alot better, one of, if not, the best twist in a game.   

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 23 mai 2012 - 04:27 .

[Nexis7]

Karolus_V wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Is it really Priestly though? Or is it a troll?

Seems him. But really, I wonder why they do that question in the hold the line forums, but not here. Is a personal question asked by Mr.Priestly curiosity? Or it is work?If its work, why not ask here?

Putting a poll with the words "mass effect 3 ending" on BSN is pretty much suicide.

[jsadalia]

llbountyhunter wrote...

mjh417 wrote...

I find IT fascinating and cool, but even though it's the "makes sense" interpretation on the nonsensical ending we got, believing it to be true I think makes the problem only worse.

What would it mean for this new DLC, that if you "correctly" pick "destroy" that you wake up and then what, go through an entirely new real ending where you actually stop the Reapers??

If that's true than let's just skip the whole dumb hallucination part and get on with Shep after he wakes up. Whats the point of going through all that crap?

IT doenst really fix the problem at all. All's it does is cleverly and throughly apply logic to something that is illogical and the end result doesnt make for a good ending in any case.

i dont see the problem.... thats like saying, why not  skip, me1, 2, and the beggining of 3 if where just going to befeat the reapers anyway. 

the path to victory is not always straight.

In Mass Effect, the path to victory has indeed always been quite straight. Your choices determine the shape of that victory and who survives it, but to actually have a significant choice determine ultimate victory or defeat would be a radical departure.

This does not mean BioWare wouldn't do such a thing, but it would run counter to their design philosophy of having the player shape the ending of the game, to a far greater degree than the current endings already do.

[OdanUrr]

The cynic in me believes this is just a cheap attempt to rekindle interest in the game by talking about one of the most controversial/commented "theories" out there. They definitely didn't want to talk about it at PAX East. What changed?<_<

[Geneaux486]

llbountyhunter wrote...

WinterJedi wrote...

No, don't believe in it and I don't want it to be true.

well some people dont want to believe in evolution even though the evidence is in its favor..... its ok we understand.

The game literally spells out for us after the credits that Shepard actually did end the Reaper threat no matter what choice he made.  I was dissapointed with the way they chose to convey that information to us, but convey it they did.  The endings are real.  Only question is will Bioware retcon the story to make IT true, which I don't think is all that likely, but anything's possible I suppose.  It'd mean they lied to us about what EC is supposed to be, which would make things worse for them in the long run, so obviously they shouldn't do it, but that doesn't mean they won't.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 23 mai 2012 - 04:39 .

[llbountyhunter]

jsadalia wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

mjh417 wrote...

I find IT fascinating and cool, but even though it's the "makes sense" interpretation on the nonsensical ending we got, believing it to be true I think makes the problem only worse.

What would it mean for this new DLC, that if you "correctly" pick "destroy" that you wake up and then what, go through an entirely new real ending where you actually stop the Reapers??

If that's true than let's just skip the whole dumb hallucination part and get on with Shep after he wakes up. Whats the point of going through all that crap?

IT doenst really fix the problem at all. All's it does is cleverly and throughly apply logic to something that is illogical and the end result doesnt make for a good ending in any case.

i dont see the problem.... thats like saying, why not  skip, me1, 2, and the beggining of 3 if where just going to befeat the reapers anyway. 

the path to victory is not always straight.

In Mass Effect, the path to victory has indeed always been quite straight. Your choices determine the shape of that victory and who survives it, but to actually have a significant choice determine ultimate victory or defeat would be a radical departure.

This does not mean BioWare wouldn't do such a thing, but it would run counter to their design philosophy of having the player shape the ending of the game, to a far greater degree than the current endings already do.

well, I suppose it depends on what your defenitin of "straight" is.  and I would expect the endin of IT to be diferent because its the final battle. casey also said prior to release that there would be a "reaper victory" end. 

ill try to find a link....

[llbountyhunter]

Geneaux486 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

WinterJedi wrote...

No, don't believe in it and I don't want it to be true.

well some people dont want to believe in evolution even though the evidence is in its favor..... its ok we understand.

The game literally spells out for us after the credits that Shepard actually did end the Reaper threat no matter what choice he made.  I was dissapointed with the way they chose to convey that information to us, but convey it they did.  The endings are real.  Only question is will Bioware retcon the story to make IT true, which I don't think is all that likely, but anything's possible I suppose.

the other games that didnt have the real real ending, also had credits rolling. I dont see your point.

[llbountyhunter]

Opsrbest wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

AlexiusDAlex wrote...

I don't see why he'd make that poll there. It's the HTL site, for Mike's sake... the population sample is more inclined to say "yes" there than in any other place on the Internet. Except maybe here, of course, though I'm quite sure the populations overlap.

Regardless of all the discussion over the tiny details, "it was all a dream" is the first thing they tell you NOT to do when writing fiction unless you have a really good reason for it. Reason that ME doesn't have.

I disagree, the sample there would probably be more inclined to say NO, these are the fans that are the angriest at bioware, there the ones that caused all the comotion, and made the headlines, they want to be angry at bioware.

my guess is that bioware is asking these people to see if their anger has cooled down yet. if it has as- the poll seems to suggest, then IT is good to go.

So Biwoares plan is to what? Release ME3 without an ending, to release the EC that doesn't give an ending, to release a fourth game or another DLC to get the ending?

You really think that's going to go over any better?

....................I honeslty dont know how many time I have answered this question.


many games have already been shipped without their "poper" endings already. also the real ending had to be purchased for a price. its becoming the industry standard now. bioware would not be the first.

all the anger probably got us the pre-planned EC for free.

in EC, shepard (presumably) breaks free of indoc, and defeets the reapers.... or maybe indoc IS the way to defeat them. no need for a new game.

and yes many people think its alot better, one of, if not, the best twist in a game.   

You missed my point. People are mad that ME3 doesn't have a functioning ending, regardless of personal opinion on it, it doesn't. The EC is supposed to be that functioning ending. How do you think the fans that are already rabbid are going to react when they don't get the resolution, closure, or otherwise suitable ending to ME3? The EC is not going to make people happy unless it gives an ending. Any inclusion of DLC at a prior point in time will be what it is, but for the here and now, for the next 6-9 months or until that DLC ending/New game is released, Bioware is ****ed.

That is what the EC is on the line for.

yeah people tend to get angry when they dont get the ending in there game... *cough* prince of persia *cough*

[Geneaux486]

llbountyhunter wrote...
The other games that didnt have the real real ending, also had credits rolling. I dont see your point.

Huh?  No, I'm saying that we get a message saying "Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" after the credits no matter which choice we made, because all three choices actually succeed in ending the Reaper threat.