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[llbountyhunter]

Geneaux486 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
The other games that didnt have the real real ending, also had credits rolling. I dont see your point.

Huh?  No, I'm saying that we get a message saying "Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" after the credits no matter which choice we made, because all three choices actually succeed in ending the Reaper threat.

well the threat of the reapers ends even if they win... because nobody is left for them to be a threat to.   imo. 

[spirosz]

davishepard wrote...

Actually, now that you mentioned that word, it's really pretty stupid to think that Bioware or any company would need to take a fan's fanfiction and put in their game because they have no idea what to do next. They created 

Blasto the Hanar Spectre?  

[CameronDAO]

Honestly, I saw this as an 'olive branch'. It took a quad just for Chris to enter the Lion's Den.

As far as the IT goes, I think that it holds some merit and could be a plausible explanation for much of ME3 (not just the ending) but I don't fully believe that this was the intended meaning. Still, it's interesting to see how people are trying to explain what happened.
Just my personal opinion  

Modifié par CameronDAO, 23 mai 2012 - 05:00 .

[mmmpollo]

First off, I don't believe ME3's ending was meant to be taken at anything but face value and thus the story is complete as it stands. However, if it was shipped as an unfinished ending then no, that wouldn't be okay. I'm not sure how anyone can defend this practice of withholding key story for further payment down the road. Now people are arguing that the EC is free and that's great. But note: the EC, as far as we can tell, was not intended to exist and is only being offered after quite a bit of whining by many, many players on these forums and other places.

If the IT was always intended and they also intended to release more to the ending free of charge later on, then I can't argue with that. It would be a great way to further hype the game. If this was the case, however, it would've come out by now that it was intended. I believe that the IT bits were left in or possibly intended at some point in production but later dropped. I suspected the kid in the beginning of the game didn't really exist in reality since my first playthrough and the entire ending was offputting. However, for whatever reason, they went with the ending that dropped all these interesting ideas.

At this point, Mr. Priestly is probably asking in the HTL forums because those were the folks who shouted the loudest during the original ending scandal. If the EC can reasonably satisfy them, at least this controversy can die down once and for all. They are probably going with IT, possibly claiming they had at least partially planned it at some point which won't be totally untrue. I support this because that allows them to essentially redo the ending. Hopefully they'll do a Matrix Reloaded style ending where when they get to the Crucible, it'll turn out to be a turd and they need to truly fight for their lives.

I hope that people do not defend whatever comes out from the EC simply because it's free. Their hands were forced here and someone giving me something for free doesn't mean I have to gladly accept it. Well gee, I can cr*p in a can and give it to you but would you want it, FOR FREE?

[llbountyhunter]

mmmpollo wrote...

First off, I don't believe ME3's ending was meant to be taken at anything but face value and thus the story is complete as it stands. However, if it was shipped as an unfinished ending then no, that wouldn't be okay. I'm not sure how anyone can defend this practice of withholding key story for further payment down the road. Now people are arguing that the EC is free and that's great. But note: the EC, as far as we can tell, was not intended to exist and is only being offered after quite a bit of whining by many, many players on these forums and other places.

If the IT was always intended and they also intended to release more to the ending free of charge later on, then I can't argue with that. It would be a great way to further hype the game. If this was the case, however, it would've come out by now that it was intended. I believe that the IT bits were left in or possibly intended at some point in production but later dropped. I suspected the kid in the beginning of the game didn't really exist in reality since my first playthrough and the entire ending was offputting. However, for whatever reason, they went with the ending that dropped all these interesting ideas.

At this point, Mr. Priestly is probably asking in the HTL forums because those were the folks who shouted the loudest during the original ending scandal. If the EC can reasonably satisfy them, at least this controversy can die down once and for all. They are probably going with IT, possibly claiming they had at least partially planned it at some point which won't be totally untrue. I support this because that allows them to essentially redo the ending. Hopefully they'll do a Matrix Reloaded style ending where when they get to the Crucible, it'll turn out to be a turd and they need to truly fight for their lives.

I hope that people do not defend whatever comes out from the EC simply because it's free. Their hands were forced here and someone giving me something for free doesn't mean I have to gladly accept it. Well gee, I can cr*p in a can and give it to you but would you want it, FOR FREE?

1. actiually bioware as dropped hints right up unitl the release date that there was to be something more, and was NOT mean to be taken at fae value....."specualtion from everyone!!!".

2. I think they may of planned for it to be for a price, but the amount of anger (coupled with EA winning "the worst company of the year" award), caused them to release EC (and the multplayer DLC) for free.

i agree with your other points.

[Atakuma]

llbountyhunter wrote...

1. actiually bioware as dropped hints right up unitl the release date that there was to be something more, and was NOT mean to be taken at fae value....."specualtion from everyone!!!".

2. I think they may of planned for it to be for a price, but the amount of anger (coupled with EA winning "the worst company of the year" award), caused them to release EC (and the multplayer DLC) for free.

i agree with your other points.

1. The ending was obviously intended to be ambiguous but that does not mean that there was ever going to be anything more.
2. There is nothing that indicates that this was anything other than unplanned damage control. The multiplayer dlc is free because of the microtransactions.

[llbountyhunter]

Casey Hudson:  " Some missions start to shed light on what you need to do. As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else"

http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1 

[llbountyhunter]

Atakuma wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

1. actiually bioware as dropped hints right up unitl the release date that there was to be something more, and was NOT mean to be taken at fae value....."specualtion from everyone!!!".

2. I think they may of planned for it to be for a price, but the amount of anger (coupled with EA winning "the worst company of the year" award), caused them to release EC (and the multplayer DLC) for free.

i agree with your other points.

1. The ending was obviously intended to be ambiguous but that does not mean that there was ever going to be anything more.
2. There is nothing that indicates that this was anything other than unplanned damage control. The multiplayer dlc is free because of the microtransactions.

1. thats were your wrong.

2. those were my thoughts, and unless you have proof, they still stand. (dont forget that the DLC was actually on the microsoft store momentarily for a price before it was quickly pulled.)

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 23 mai 2012 - 05:31 .

[lordnyx1]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Casey Hudson:  " Some missions start to shed light on what you need to do. As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else"

http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1 

You think you'll win the war by going to Thessia then bam unbeatable gunship and you get redirected to find out that Horizon is still effed up, TIM somehow thinks that figuring out how to corrupt the reaper control over the husks is enough to control them and Joker is nice enough to state he's going to munity and leave your ass.

[llbountyhunter]

lordnyx1 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Casey Hudson:  " Some missions start to shed light on what you need to do. As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else"

http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1 

You think you'll win the war by going to Thessia then bam unbeatable gunship and you get redirected to find out that Horizon is still effed up, TIM somehow thinks that figuring out how to corrupt the reaper control over the husks is enough to control them and Joker is nice enough to state he's going to munity and leave your ass.

specualtions....speculations.....   

[mmmpollo]

llbountyhunter wrote...

mmmpollo wrote...

First off, I don't believe ME3's ending was meant to be taken at anything but face value and thus the story is complete as it stands. However, if it was shipped as an unfinished ending then no, that wouldn't be okay. I'm not sure how anyone can defend this practice of withholding key story for further payment down the road. Now people are arguing that the EC is free and that's great. But note: the EC, as far as we can tell, was not intended to exist and is only being offered after quite a bit of whining by many, many players on these forums and other places.

If the IT was always intended and they also intended to release more to the ending free of charge later on, then I can't argue with that. It would be a great way to further hype the game. If this was the case, however, it would've come out by now that it was intended. I believe that the IT bits were left in or possibly intended at some point in production but later dropped. I suspected the kid in the beginning of the game didn't really exist in reality since my first playthrough and the entire ending was offputting. However, for whatever reason, they went with the ending that dropped all these interesting ideas.

At this point, Mr. Priestly is probably asking in the HTL forums because those were the folks who shouted the loudest during the original ending scandal. If the EC can reasonably satisfy them, at least this controversy can die down once and for all. They are probably going with IT, possibly claiming they had at least partially planned it at some point which won't be totally untrue. I support this because that allows them to essentially redo the ending. Hopefully they'll do a Matrix Reloaded style ending where when they get to the Crucible, it'll turn out to be a turd and they need to truly fight for their lives.

I hope that people do not defend whatever comes out from the EC simply because it's free. Their hands were forced here and someone giving me something for free doesn't mean I have to gladly accept it. Well gee, I can cr*p in a can and give it to you but would you want it, FOR FREE?

1. actiually bioware as dropped hints right up unitl the release date that there was to be something more, and was NOT mean to be taken at fae value....."specualtion from everyone!!!".

2. I think they may of planned for it to be for a price, but the amount of anger (coupled with EA winning "the worst company of the year" award), caused them to release EC (and the multplayer DLC) for free.

i agree with your other points.

I always took the "speculation for everyone" as BW wanting everyone to speculate on how society carries on afterwards, not on whether the ending was real or not.  The ending was the ending.  My main gripe with IT is people point to something that doesn't make sense and use it as a point in favor of IT, rather than simply something that didn't make sense.  Or pointing to a weird game mechanic and thinking it's story related.  Like the infinite ammo pistol.  Maybe they just gave you unlimited ammo so you would have enough shots for marauder shields and TIM at the end?

[llbountyhunter]

mmmpollo wrote...

I always took the "speculation for everyone" as BW wanting everyone to speculate on how society carries on afterwards, not on whether the ending was real or not.  The ending was the ending.  My main gripe with IT is people point to something that doesn't make sense and use it as a point in favor of IT, rather than simply something that didn't make sense.  Or pointing to a weird game mechanic and thinking it's story related.  Like the infinite ammo pistol.  Maybe they just gave you unlimited ammo so you would have enough shots for marauder shields and TIM at the end?

well, i never personally found the unlimited ammo thing to be strong evidence.

the strongest point (imo) is this.
 
how does shepard survive this?

oh, heres a IT page we IT'ers put together with all the evdence together.. (evidence, not proof)

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/ 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 23 mai 2012 - 05:57 .

[Atakuma]

llbountyhunter wrote...

1. thats were your wrong.

Tell me why you think that I'm wrong.

[llbountyhunter]

Atakuma wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

1. thats were your wrong.

Tell me why you think that I'm wrong.

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/ 

if you click on "evidence from outside of the game" in the index, you can see nearly all the quotes from bioware. 
(edit; may cause anger to re-surface)  

some of these are either blatant lies, OR hints at that the ending we got was not the real ending. 

make of it what you will.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 23 mai 2012 - 06:06 .

[mmmpollo]

I've read a lot about IT and the compiled evidence. I don't believe it was intended but there's enough there to sort of force it to fit. And if they end up using it, I'll probably be happy.

[Vox Draco]

mmmpollo wrote...
First off, I don't believe ME3's ending was meant to be taken at anything but face value and thus the story is complete as it stands. However, if it was shipped as an unfinished ending then no, that wouldn't be okay. I'm not sure how anyone can defend this practice of withholding key story for further payment down the road. Now people are arguing that the EC is free and that's great. But note: the EC, as far as we can tell, was not intended to exist and is only being offered after quite a bit of whining by many, many players on these forums and other places.

I hope this won't sound offensive but...I simply cannot understand how somebody can actually take the last minutes, especially anthing after Anderson's death, at face value...sorry.

1. An elevator of light suddenly popping up and lifting Shepard towards even more light?
2. A ghostly child appears that looks so familiar to the one from Shep's nightmares?
3. The whole scene up there outside in space, with no helmets?
4. Three ramps conviniently leading to three colour-coded choices? They were always there, or did the crucible build them? Very convenient...
5. Shepard acting like a zombie and nowhere near the character we used to love? Almost lobotomized?
6. You activate those choices in the most symbolic way possible? Shooting for destroy, grabbing/holding on to something in control, jumping into the unknown in synthesis? Whatever happened to buttons?
7. And when everything is over...you see that whole Normandy-stuff happening, that has no base in reality whatsoever and makes me feel even more like on drugs...

Everything up there is bizarre, twisted, surreal, and overloaded with a kind of symbolism you would not find anywhere in real life, also not in a realistic space opera setting...

I am really curious how Bioware will clarify all this without IT. If I am supposed to take anything that happened between Catalyst and Shep for real, then this EC must work miracles.

[Comguard2]

I'm afraid that Priestley could have developed a personal grudge against the fanbase he should cater to.

There is not other explanation for the mockery of the fans via Twitter.

[Thorn Harvestar]

Comguard2 wrote...

I'm afraid that Priestley could have developed a personal grudge against the fanbase he should cater to.

There is not other explanation for the mockery of the fans via Twitter.

I don't know; have you looked at some of the garbage that people have tweeted at him, Gamble, Merizan, et al?

[ZackG312]

IT wins

[BigGuy28]

[liggy002]

ZackG312 wrote...

IT wins

[Comguard2]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Comguard2 wrote...

I'm afraid that Priestley could have developed a personal grudge against the fanbase he should cater to.

There is not other explanation for the mockery of the fans via Twitter.

I don't know; have you looked at some of the garbage that people have tweeted at him, Gamble, Merizan, et al?

No excuse. Imagine you are a shopowner. One of your customers buys an item that, after using it at home, reveals to have an annoying deficiency. Technically you are on the right side. But your customer is, understandably, not very happy.

What is the correct reaction? I guess mocking him and making fun of him  is not the ideal way to approach such a situation.

I will wait for EC. If EC brings not further fuel for Indoc (e.g. a voiceover for the breathing scene, e.g. Hacket saying "wake up" would be enough) I know that he just wanted to play a cruel game with us. I hope he doesn't.

Modifié par Comguard2, 23 mai 2012 - 08:29 .

[Henioo]

People were starting to lose interest in the game, maybe, so he turned up the cooker to sqeeze a little more juice out of that dry roast.

PR ain't no thing.

[liggy002]

Hackett saying "wake up" would not be enough. I want gameplay and a way to finish this game. The endings as as they stand are so unfulfilling. I'll be pissed if I find out that the Reapers went down simply by shooting a pipe.  You do realize that the ending is that off swtich that they said they weren't going to give us?  I'll give them the benefit of the doubt by believing not only in IT BUT also that there is more to come.

Modifié par liggy002, 23 mai 2012 - 08:33 .

[DJBare]

davishepard wrote...

tobiasks wrote...

Why is it delusional, when bioware was actually working on IT at first but decided not to.

It was never - never - stated that they worked in anything similar to IT. People distort as they wish what is stated in the Final Hours - they read "indocrination story where only the gameplay part was scrapped" when they should read "endgame sequence where Shepard would lose control of this body movements and fall under Reaper control". His body. Indocrination is nowhere mentioned, but people still distort the text. If you think enough, you will realize that they found a way to make Shepard lose control of his body movements in the retail game, using TIM. 

I don't know if they will run with I.T, but when reading post's like your's, I find myself hoping very much that they do.