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[Comguard2]

Hackett saying "Wake up" just as a last resort. IT would be even clearer if Anderson said that.

Just imagine: Bioware produces the EC but realizes that it won't calm the crowd. What could they do? Give proof for indoc by adding a "wake up" sentence. And then they have all the time they need...paid DLC, sequel, Add-on...that would buy them time.

Because, honestly. I interpret this action as "Bioware just realized the EC will just create more plotholes and tries to save the day.".

[dreamgazer]

Vox Draco wrote...

mmmpollo wrote...
First off, I don't believe ME3's ending was meant to be taken at anything but face value and thus the story is complete as it stands. However, if it was shipped as an unfinished ending then no, that wouldn't be okay. I'm not sure how anyone can defend this practice of withholding key story for further payment down the road. Now people are arguing that the EC is free and that's great. But note: the EC, as far as we can tell, was not intended to exist and is only being offered after quite a bit of whining by many, many players on these forums and other places.

I hope this won't sound offensive but...I simply cannot understand how somebody can actually take the last minutes, especially anthing after Anderson's death, at face value...sorry.

1. An elevator of light suddenly popping up and lifting Shepard towards even more light?
2. A ghostly child appears that looks so familiar to the one from Shep's nightmares?
3. The whole scene up there outside in space, with no helmets?
4. Three ramps conviniently leading to three colour-coded choices? They were always there, or did the crucible build them? Very convenient...
5. Shepard acting like a zombie and nowhere near the character we used to love? Almost lobotomized?
6. You activate those choices in the most symbolic way possible? Shooting for destroy, grabbing/holding on to something in control, jumping into the unknown in synthesis? Whatever happened to buttons?
7. And when everything is over...you see that whole Normandy-stuff happening, that has no base in reality whatsoever and makes me feel even more like on drugs...

Everything up there is bizarre, twisted, surreal, and overloaded with a kind of symbolism you would not find anywhere in real life, also not in a realistic space opera setting...

I am really curious how Bioware will clarify all this without IT. If I am supposed to take anything that happened between Catalyst and Shep for real, then this EC must work miracles.

You've just voiced my position on the ending's nature, from the bulletpoints to the bolded summary sentence, almost verbatim.

[DJBare]

Man I'm so jealous, seems like some here have insider information on the things Bioware had planned.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

dreamgazer wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

mmmpollo wrote...
First off, I don't believe ME3's ending was meant to be taken at anything but face value and thus the story is complete as it stands. However, if it was shipped as an unfinished ending then no, that wouldn't be okay. I'm not sure how anyone can defend this practice of withholding key story for further payment down the road. Now people are arguing that the EC is free and that's great. But note: the EC, as far as we can tell, was not intended to exist and is only being offered after quite a bit of whining by many, many players on these forums and other places.

I hope this won't sound offensive but...I simply cannot understand how somebody can actually take the last minutes, especially anthing after Anderson's death, at face value...sorry.

1. An elevator of light suddenly popping up and lifting Shepard towards even more light?
2. A ghostly child appears that looks so familiar to the one from Shep's nightmares?
3. The whole scene up there outside in space, with no helmets?
4. Three ramps conviniently leading to three colour-coded choices? They were always there, or did the crucible build them? Very convenient...
5. Shepard acting like a zombie and nowhere near the character we used to love? Almost lobotomized?
6. You activate those choices in the most symbolic way possible? Shooting for destroy, grabbing/holding on to something in control, jumping into the unknown in synthesis? Whatever happened to buttons?
7. And when everything is over...you see that whole Normandy-stuff happening, that has no base in reality whatsoever and makes me feel even more like on drugs...

Everything up there is bizarre, twisted, surreal, and overloaded with a kind of symbolism you would not find anywhere in real life, also not in a realistic space opera setting...

I am really curious how Bioware will clarify all this without IT. If I am supposed to take anything that happened between Catalyst and Shep for real, then this EC must work miracles.

You've just voiced my position on the ending's nature, from the bulletpoints to the bolded summary sentence, almost verbatim.

Same here exactly how I feel about the whole thing.

[legaldinho]

dreamgazer wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

mmmpollo wrote...
First off, I don't believe ME3's ending was meant to be taken at anything but face value and thus the story is complete as it stands. However, if it was shipped as an unfinished ending then no, that wouldn't be okay. I'm not sure how anyone can defend this practice of withholding key story for further payment down the road. Now people are arguing that the EC is free and that's great. But note: the EC, as far as we can tell, was not intended to exist and is only being offered after quite a bit of whining by many, many players on these forums and other places.

I hope this won't sound offensive but...I simply cannot understand how somebody can actually take the last minutes, especially anthing after Anderson's death, at face value...sorry.

1. An elevator of light suddenly popping up and lifting Shepard towards even more light?
2. A ghostly child appears that looks so familiar to the one from Shep's nightmares?
3. The whole scene up there outside in space, with no helmets?
4. Three ramps conviniently leading to three colour-coded choices? They were always there, or did the crucible build them? Very convenient...
5. Shepard acting like a zombie and nowhere near the character we used to love? Almost lobotomized?
6. You activate those choices in the most symbolic way possible? Shooting for destroy, grabbing/holding on to something in control, jumping into the unknown in synthesis? Whatever happened to buttons?
7. And when everything is over...you see that whole Normandy-stuff happening, that has no base in reality whatsoever and makes me feel even more like on drugs...

Everything up there is bizarre, twisted, surreal, and overloaded with a kind of symbolism you would not find anywhere in real life, also not in a realistic space opera setting...

I am really curious how Bioware will clarify all this without IT. If I am supposed to take anything that happened between Catalyst and Shep for real, then this EC must work miracles.

You've just voiced my position on the ending's nature, from the bulletpoints to the bolded summary sentence, almost verbatim.

Hear hear. The posts by the so-called "antis" in here are embarassing. A majority of respondents favour IT because... it's a conspiracy and they're organised? Do they even realise how their posts read?

The reason Bioware doesn't ask questions on this forum is because a vocal minority have become nihilistic clan members, who will see any eventual hint in the DLC that IT might be correct as a personal insult because they foolishly decided to "take sides" in an "internet battle" of their own making. If I were Bioware I would be embarassed that this is my hardcore fanbase.

Modifié par legaldinho, 23 mai 2012 - 09:33 .

[Karolus_V]

legaldinho wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

mmmpollo wrote...
First off, I don't believe ME3's ending was meant to be taken at anything but face value and thus the story is complete as it stands. However, if it was shipped as an unfinished ending then no, that wouldn't be okay. I'm not sure how anyone can defend this practice of withholding key story for further payment down the road. Now people are arguing that the EC is free and that's great. But note: the EC, as far as we can tell, was not intended to exist and is only being offered after quite a bit of whining by many, many players on these forums and other places.

I hope this won't sound offensive but...I simply cannot understand how somebody can actually take the last minutes, especially anthing after Anderson's death, at face value...sorry.

1. An elevator of light suddenly popping up and lifting Shepard towards even more light?
2. A ghostly child appears that looks so familiar to the one from Shep's nightmares?
3. The whole scene up there outside in space, with no helmets?
4. Three ramps conviniently leading to three colour-coded choices? They were always there, or did the crucible build them? Very convenient...
5. Shepard acting like a zombie and nowhere near the character we used to love? Almost lobotomized?
6. You activate those choices in the most symbolic way possible? Shooting for destroy, grabbing/holding on to something in control, jumping into the unknown in synthesis? Whatever happened to buttons?
7. And when everything is over...you see that whole Normandy-stuff happening, that has no base in reality whatsoever and makes me feel even more like on drugs...

Everything up there is bizarre, twisted, surreal, and overloaded with a kind of symbolism you would not find anywhere in real life, also not in a realistic space opera setting...

I am really curious how Bioware will clarify all this without IT. If I am supposed to take anything that happened between Catalyst and Shep for real, then this EC must work miracles.

You've just voiced my position on the ending's nature, from the bulletpoints to the bolded summary sentence, almost verbatim.

Hear hear. The posts by the so-called "antis" in here are embarassing. A majority of respondents favour IT because... it's a conspiracy and they're organised? Do they even realise how their posts read?

The reason Bioware doesn't ask questions on this forum is because a vocal minority have become nihilistic clan members, who will see any eventual hint in the DLC that IT might be correct as a personal insult because they foolishly decided to "take sides" in an "internet battle" of their own making. If I were Bioware I would be embarassed that this is my hardcore fanbase.

Internet forums, serious business...

Anyway, even if they were going to ...ignore the results(I say this as what if) , at least they could ask here so it isnt that strange to us.

Anyway, perhaps they are doing this to gauge between this survey in the HTL forums and the detailed survey that was sent to Bioware.

Modifié par Karolus_V, 23 mai 2012 - 09:36 .

[Peytl]

This is the first time I'm really alarmed they could use IT.

[legaldinho]

that really would be the end of the world wouldn't it. Just imagine.

[Peytl]

Definitely end of BW, at least in my and many other people eyes.

[legaldinho]

Oh noes. We'll miss you so.

[Baa Baa]

Something's up. I feel almost as if there's some sort of diabolical conspiracy behind the ending(s).

[ZackG312]

IT wins

people who dont like it bye bye bye

[Atakuma]

ZackG312 wrote...

IT wins

people who dont like it bye bye bye

Nothing wins. This isn't a confirmation.

[Peytl]

legaldinho wrote...

Oh noes. We'll miss you so.

Unsuccessful troll.

[Baa Baa]

Atakuma wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

IT wins

people who dont like it bye bye bye

Nothing wins. This isn't a confirmation.

Sadly, you are right
EDIT: But considering that they say they're working on more player choice in the EC. It is possible that they may make IT possible for some epilogues.

Modifié par Baa Baa, 23 mai 2012 - 10:25 .

[bennyjammin79]

I'm eating onion rings.

[Humakt83]

Bioware ain't going to confirm IT with words, they are going to confirm it with EC. Just wait and see.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Humakt83 wrote...

Bioware ain't going to confirm IT with words, they are going to confirm it with EC. Just wait and see.

I agree

[FamilyManFirst]

So, here's my theory on why this question was asked, and why it showed up in the HTL forums, rather than here. It involves two assumptions:

A) Hardcore Indoctrination Theory is wrong.  BioWare did not publish the ending sequence intending it to be Indoctrination.  How all those Indoctrination hints got in there is another question (which I have separate opinions on), but the ending, as published, was to be taken at face value.

The EC's scripting *isn't finished yet*.  Some of it is, and has been handed to Production, but some parts are still being written.

BioWare has stated, flat out, that the EC will not provide a new ending, only clarity and closure.  They have also stated, separately, that they want to add more personalization to the ending.  Based on this, I break down the EC into 3 sections:1) Pre-Citadel: the Final Battle.  BioWare will probably be adding in scenes with forces that you recruited, either cutscenes or playable content.2) In-Citadel: at minimum, more discussion with Catalyst-Ghost-Kid.  This is necessary to provide the clarity they promised.3) Post-Citadel: epilogue scenes, for closure.  At minimum, they have to explain how your teammates return to the Normandy and why Joker is flying away when the pretty colored explosion hits.

Some of this will be easy to script and hand off to Production.  Section 1, for example, will be simple if it's just cutscenes, more difficult if it includes playable content, but not hard to *script*.  Some of section 3 will be easy to script, depending on just how much epilogue they plan in including.

However, section 2 is a tough one.  What should they add to Catalyst-Ghost-Kid's dialogue to improve it?  Moreover, should they modify anything else?  Again, I'm assuming here that hardcore IT is wrong.  One question that's bound to come up is, should they modify Shepard's Long Walk after Harbinger's Beam to remove some or all of the plot holes that have been endlessly brought up (Where's my armor?  Why does my gun now have infinite ammo?  How did Anderson get ahead of me?  etc.)  If they do this, though, they put a stake through the heart of IT, and some fans have put an awful lot of work into their IT theories.

That's the only reason I can think of why the question was phrased as oddly as it was.  "Do you believe in the Indoctrination Theory?"  Not do you want to believe, or why, or how would you feel if it were true or false, just, "Do you believe?"  The writers must be struggling with whether or not to allow IT possibilities to remain.This also explains why it was posted in the HTL forums.  They want to know the opinions of the most die-hard anti-ending people.  If they posted here, they'd get responses from pro-enders, who obviously wouldn't believe it to be true.  That would skew the results.

Take it for what you will.

Modifié par FamilyManFirst, 23 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[BigGuy28]

I highly doubt they are going to go with the IT, I don't think they've gotten that stupid yet. Though if they do for some insane reason, that will be the final proof that they are no longer the Bioware I love and have gone to complete crap. I'll be done with them for good and get rid of all my Bioware games.

[DJBare]

FamilyManFirst wrote...
BioWare has stated, flat out, that the EC will not provide a new ending, only clarity and closure. 

Wait, I got a better idea, Bioware should come right out and say "Yes guy's n gal's, we going to hit you with a major spoiler in public, Shepard was indoctrinated!"...oh wait.

[KnifeForkAndSpoon]

If they went with IT that would be such a relief.

[-Skorpious-]

mmmpollo wrote...

I've read a lot about IT and the compiled evidence. I don't believe it was intended but there's enough there to sort of force it to fit. And if they end up using it, I'll probably be happy.

[mupp3tz]

-Skorpious- wrote...

mmmpollo wrote...

I've read a lot about IT and the compiled evidence. I don't believe it was intended but there's enough there to sort of force it to fit. And if they end up using it, I'll probably be happy.

This.  If Bioware were somehow able to put their own unique twist to it, I could respect that.  If it's just a blatant copy of everything that the community has compiled... well, how disappointing and what an easy route to take. 

[Taboo]

I'm still in awe that people assume this means anything.

You do realize he can use this to gauge how many people will be upset when the EC is released?

Because it won't be the Indoctrination Theory?