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I'm still in awe that people assume this means anything.

You do realize he can use this to gauge how many people will be upset when the EC is released?

Because it won't be the Indoctrination Theory?


It's direct, public acknowledgment of that interpretation, specifically, being an option clearly on the table. Even you shouldn't be able to deny that. I know you don't see eye-to-eye with the idea, to put it lightly, but Priestly's put a spotlight on it. And there are poll results.

I'm sure you'll just claim I'm guilty of confirmation bias or Pareidolia, though.

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dreamgazer wrote...

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First off, I don't believe ME3's ending was meant to be taken at anything but face value and thus the story is complete as it stands. However, if it was shipped as an unfinished ending then no, that wouldn't be okay. I'm not sure how anyone can defend this practice of withholding key story for further payment down the road. Now people are arguing that the EC is free and that's great. But note: the EC, as far as we can tell, was not intended to exist and is only being offered after quite a bit of whining by many, many players on these forums and other places.


I hope this won't sound offensive but...I simply cannot understand how somebody can actually take the last minutes, especially anthing after Anderson's death, at face value...sorry.

1. An elevator of light suddenly popping up and lifting Shepard towards even more light?
2. A ghostly child appears that looks so familiar to the one from Shep's nightmares?
3. The whole scene up there outside in space, with no helmets?
4. Three ramps conviniently leading to three colour-coded choices? They were always there, or did the crucible build them? Very convenient...
5. Shepard acting like a zombie and nowhere near the character we used to love? Almost lobotomized?
6. You activate those choices in the most symbolic way possible? Shooting for destroy, grabbing/holding on to something in control, jumping into the unknown in synthesis? Whatever happened to buttons?
7. And when everything is over...you see that whole Normandy-stuff happening, that has no base in reality whatsoever and makes me feel even more like on drugs...

Everything up there is bizarre, twisted, surreal, and overloaded with a kind of symbolism you would not find anywhere in real life, also not in a realistic space opera setting...

I am really curious how Bioware will clarify all this without IT. If I am supposed to take anything that happened between Catalyst and Shep for real, then this EC must work miracles.


You've just voiced my position on the ending's nature, from the bulletpoints to the bolded summary sentence, almost verbatim.


And we still, apparently, share the same brain.

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Peytl wrote...

Definitely end of BW, at least in my and many other people eyes.


Then you were never playing for the story or characters to begin with.

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M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

This.  If Bioware were somehow able to put their own unique twist to it, I could respect that.  If it's just a blatant copy of everything that the community has compiled... well, how disappointing and what an easy route to take. 


Whatever happens after the choices is unknown. EC can go into many different directions after indoctrination.

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Vox Draco wrote...

I hope this won't sound offensive but...I simply cannot understand how somebody can actually take the last minutes, especially anthing after Anderson's death, at face value...sorry.


I'm not the type to get offended, especially from anything involving an internet forum. But if I were, almost all of you indoctrination theorists would be offensive. Whether you mean it or not, every single time one of you says "IT is the ONLY way to make sense of the game", or "the evidence is so strong and so obvious", etc, etc, you are in fact insinuating that everyone who doesn't interpret the game the same way you do is a moron who can't see these obvious clues or connect the dots.

Whether you can believe it or not, the fact is, it is possible (and in most cases, easier) to arrive at different interpretations for everything you guys think is evidence of the IT. That does not mean I can make sense of or explain everything that was weird about the ending. I'm simply not willing to take the fantastical leap from "weird" to "didn't really happen", because there aren't enough clues or evidence to convince me this is the case. As someone not satisfied with the way the series ended, I would love to believe that there was more to it or that there was more coming. But imo, there is nothing to suggest that this is the case. And trust me, I'm aware of all the arguments in favor of the IT, and I find them all unconvincing.

Feel free to interpret the game however you choose. But at least make a small effort to try to understand that yours is not the only one, nor is it more valid than any other.

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lol, why is BW asking this question now? it sounds like they are preparing for damage control after they further disappoint a large portion of the already disappointed fans.

I know I probably won't be happy if there is no IT. For one thing, there are many plot holes that I can can't close with the current ending, even with all my imagination trying to justify it

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It is human way to err into believing that others know what you know.

jla0644 wrote...
Feel free to interpret the game however you choose. But at least make a small effort to try to understand that yours is not the only one, nor is it more valid than any other.


Then what is your interpretation that takes into account all the weird things happening at the end?

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jla0644 wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

I hope this won't sound offensive but...I simply cannot understand how somebody can actually take the last minutes, especially anthing after Anderson's death, at face value...sorry.


I'm not the type to get offended, especially from anything involving an internet forum. But if I were, almost all of you indoctrination theorists would be offensive. Whether you mean it or not, every single time one of you says "IT is the ONLY way to make sense of the game", or "the evidence is so strong and so obvious", etc, etc, you are in fact insinuating that everyone who doesn't interpret the game the same way you do is a moron who can't see these obvious clues or connect the dots.

Whether you can believe it or not, the fact is, it is possible (and in most cases, easier) to arrive at different interpretations for everything you guys think is evidence of the IT. That does not mean I can make sense of or explain everything that was weird about the ending. I'm simply not willing to take the fantastical leap from "weird" to "didn't really happen", because there aren't enough clues or evidence to convince me this is the case. As someone not satisfied with the way the series ended, I would love to believe that there was more to it or that there was more coming. But imo, there is nothing to suggest that this is the case. And trust me, I'm aware of all the arguments in favor of the IT, and I find them all unconvincing.

Feel free to interpret the game however you choose. But at least make a small effort to try to understand that yours is not the only one, nor is it more valid than any other.


On the other hand, supporters of the theory are constantly called conspiracy theorists, religious zealots, and worse. That's more directly insulting than saying " Well, maybe you just didn't get it. " You can fail to pick up on a concept quickly, or dismiss it, and still be an intelligent person. It seems hyper-sensitive to automatically believe we might be malliciously doubting your intelligence.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

On the other hand, supporters of the theory are constantly called conspiracy theorists, religious zealots, and worse. That's more directly insulting than saying " Well, maybe you just didn't get it. " You can fail to pick up on a concept quickly and still be an intelligent person. It seems hyper-sensitive to automatically believe we might be malliciously doubting your intelligence.


Well that's just it, I don't think it's deliberate or malicious in most cases. And either way, I couldn't care less. Feel free to doubt my intelligence all you want.

I was simply illustrating the arrogance displayed by many IT proponents (unintentional as it may be) when they assume their interpretation is the only one that makes any sense.

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Humakt83 wrote...

It is human way to err into believing that others know what you know.

jla0644 wrote...
Feel free to interpret the game however you choose. But at least make a small effort to try to understand that yours is not the only one, nor is it more valid than any other.


Then what is your interpretation that takes into account all the weird things happening at the end?


......

jla0644 wrote...
That does not mean I can make sense of or explain everything that was
weird about the ending. I'm simply not willing to take the fantastical
leap from "weird" to "didn't really happen", because there aren't enough
clues or evidence to convince me this is the case.



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It could be that they'll include something in the EC that will allow Indoctrination Theorists to maintain their stance rather than conclusively shut them down, if they perceive that the theory is strong/interesting enough to give lip service to.

They may not make new endings... but IT doesn't require new endings anyway as it's based purely on the endings provided.

Alternatively, as some are theorizing, it could be calculating how angry people will be when IT dies a painful death.

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jla0644 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

On the other hand, supporters of the theory are constantly called conspiracy theorists, religious zealots, and worse. That's more directly insulting than saying " Well, maybe you just didn't get it. " You can fail to pick up on a concept quickly and still be an intelligent person. It seems hyper-sensitive to automatically believe we might be malliciously doubting your intelligence.


Well that's just it, I don't think it's deliberate or malicious in most cases. And either way, I couldn't care less. Feel free to doubt my intelligence all you want.

I was simply illustrating the arrogance displayed by many IT proponents (unintentional as it may be) when they assume their interpretation is the only one that makes any sense.


For the record, I never doubt many of the Theory's detractors' intelligences. I believe it's simply a matter of a difference in viewpoint and interpretation of the events of the story or doubt in Bioware's production values.

I don't believe that my believing that my interpretation might be true is more arrogant than you believing my interpretation is false and that yours is more true. They are both simply opinions, both of which can be supported with some evidence. Debating it was what they wanted us to do. But the truth is that we won't know until the EC whether either side is right or wrong. My suggestion is that unless someone specifically calls you an idiot or something similar, you should assume they are simply expressing their views without mallicious intent I.E. give them the benefit of the doubt.

I feel what you feel when confronted by those who disagree and call me a conspiracy theorist (never believed a conspiracy in my life) or a religious nut ( I'm a Deist, and believe God is the sum parts of the universe metaphorically expressed through the interplay of physics, matter, and energy as well as quantum mechanics and not a guy in the sky), which to me seem like very condescending remarks. Those who are Anti-I.T. are not innocent of being arrogant themselves. We're all humans and it's human nature.

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The other games that didnt have the real real ending, also had credits rolling. I dont see your point.


Huh?  No, I'm saying that we get a message saying "Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" after the credits no matter which choice we made, because all three choices actually succeed in ending the Reaper threat.


I thought that was quite presumptuous, personally. My Shepherd who chose Control fully intended to call the reapers back and harvest the galaxy once she learned - via her new state of being - that the invasion prevented the creation of marzipan and thus invalidated the purpose of organic life.

Indeed, the new cycle is based not on preventing the technological singularity,  but in perfecting the creation of marzipan.

Suffice it to say that the 'consciousness transfer' process did not leave her entirely sane...

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The worst thing about it, is how personally IT detractors take the theory, so that if it were alluded to even further in the DLC, they would take umbrage; some have said that would be the end of Bioware. Others expressed that the particular slant of the further content would mean they have had even less of an ending.

It's embarassing. Angry fans have turned on other fans who have been generously interpreting hints in the game. Some IT proponents unfortunately take things too far, believing theirs is the only interpretation of the game's narrative. Or that Bioware are geniuses.

Bioware are not geniuses. Paul Verhooven is a genius. He directed a film which was open to two simultaneous interpretations, one face-value, another that after a particular moment what we see played out is Arnie's fantasy. I firmly believe that Bioware tried to do the same. Hint at indoctrination, while giving us a face value ending. So I believe in IT; it's a valid interpretation of the narrative. It does not mean there is no ending. This is fiction. There is an ending, and the question is what it means. How you interpret it.

What went worng, is that the face-value ending, the RGB, the ME3 equivalent of Arnie rolling down the Mars hills while they arebeing terraformed, is botched. It simply was not in keeping with the unfolding of the narrative. It wasn't divorced from it, but it still came out of the blue.

In order for IT to work properly, effectively, for people who are told about it to go "wow" even if they didn't spot it first time, for it to be a valid fictional device, it requires a believable face value ending. The extended cut DLC, I believe, will try to patch that (with varying degrees of success) and provide a firm nod to IT.

None of you will be satisfied. Because you are turning on each other like mangy dogs. Hence why I said, if I were Bioware, I'd be embarassed to count you among my hardcore fans. Get your act together.

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iamthedave3 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

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The other games that didnt have the real real ending, also had credits rolling. I dont see your point.


Huh?  No, I'm saying that we get a message saying "Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" after the credits no matter which choice we made, because all three choices actually succeed in ending the Reaper threat.


I thought that was quite presumptuous, personally. My Shepherd who chose Control fully intended to call the reapers back and harvest the galaxy once she learned - via her new state of being - that the invasion prevented the creation of marzipan and thus invalidated the purpose of organic life.

Indeed, the new cycle is based not on preventing the technological singularity,  but in perfecting the creation of marzipan.

Suffice it to say that the 'consciousness transfer' process did not leave her entirely sane...


I have problems believing a 4th-wall message telling me to go buy DLC honestly. If this is the best you guys can come up with, you do realize this will still play if EC hits, IT happens, and the Reapers are taken down. It doesn't negate IT in the slightest.

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legaldinho wrote...

The worst thing about it, is how personally IT detractors take the theory, so that if it were alluded to even further in the DLC, they would take umbrage; some have said that would be the end of Bioware. Others expressed that the particular slant of the further content would mean they have had even less of an ending.

It's embarassing. Angry fans have turned on other fans who have been generously interpreting hints in the game. Some IT proponents unfortunately take things too far, believing theirs is the only interpretation of the game's narrative. Or that Bioware are geniuses.

Bioware are not geniuses. Paul Verhooven is a genius. He directed a film which was open to two simultaneous interpretations, one face-value, another that after a particular moment what we see played out is Arnie's fantasy. I firmly believe that Bioware tried to do the same. Hint at indoctrination, while giving us a face value ending. So I believe in IT; it's a valid interpretation of the narrative. It does not mean there is no ending. This is fiction. There is an ending, and the question is what it means. How you interpret it.

What went worng, is that the face-value ending, the RGB, the ME3 equivalent of Arnie rolling down the Mars hills while they arebeing terraformed, is botched. It simply was not in keeping with the unfolding of the narrative. It wasn't divorced from it, but it still came out of the blue.

In order for IT to work properly, effectively, for people who are told about it to go "wow" even if they didn't spot it first time, for it to be a valid fictional device, it requires a believable face value ending. The extended cut DLC, I believe, will try to patch that (with varying degrees of success) and provide a firm nod to IT.

None of you will be satisfied. Because you are turning on each other like mangy dogs. Hence why I said, if I were Bioware, I'd be embarassed to count you among my hardcore fans. Get your act together.


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legaldinho wrote...

The worst thing about it, is how personally IT detractors take the theory, so that if it were alluded to even further in the DLC, they would take umbrage; some have said that would be the end of Bioware. Others expressed that the particular slant of the further content would mean they have had even less of an ending.

It's embarassing. Angry fans have turned on other fans who have been generously interpreting hints in the game. Some IT proponents unfortunately take things too far, believing theirs is the only interpretation of the game's narrative. Or that Bioware are geniuses.

Bioware are not geniuses. Paul Verhooven is a genius. He directed a film which was open to two simultaneous interpretations, one face-value, another that after a particular moment what we see played out is Arnie's fantasy. I firmly believe that Bioware tried to do the same. Hint at indoctrination, while giving us a face value ending. So I believe in IT; it's a valid interpretation of the narrative. It does not mean there is no ending. This is fiction. There is an ending, and the question is what it means. How you interpret it.

What went worng, is that the face-value ending, the RGB, the ME3 equivalent of Arnie rolling down the Mars hills while they arebeing terraformed, is botched. It simply was not in keeping with the unfolding of the narrative. It wasn't divorced from it, but it still came out of the blue.

In order for IT to work properly, effectively, for people who are told about it to go "wow" even if they didn't spot it first time, for it to be a valid fictional device, it requires a believable face value ending. The extended cut DLC, I believe, will try to patch that (with varying degrees of success) and provide a firm nod to IT.

None of you will be satisfied. Because you are turning on each other like mangy dogs. Hence why I said, if I were Bioware, I'd be embarassed to count you among my hardcore fans. Get your act together.


+1 man

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Frankly I didn't see the point of CP going on HTL and asking that question, unless like BatmanTurian and others have suggested, that the IT is a piposely created interpretation/non face value ending. But the again Ive see where BW have pretty much dismissed all things IT-related. If so CP's question was arguably unecessary.

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WarBeagle01 wrote...

Frankly I didn't see the point of CP going on HTL and asking that question, unless like BatmanTurian and others have suggested, that the IT is a piposely created interpretation/non face value ending. But the again Ive see where BW have pretty much dismissed all things IT-related. If so CP's question was arguably unecessary.


The statements that Bioware has dismissed I.T. have been greatly exaggerated. They haven't. In fact, they've danced around it. " We don't want to be prescriptive about the ending."

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legaldinho wrote...

The worst thing about it, is how personally IT detractors take the theory, so that if it were alluded to even further in the DLC, they would take umbrage; some have said that would be the end of Bioware. Others expressed that the particular slant of the further content would mean they have had even less of an ending.

It's embarassing. Angry fans have turned on other fans who have been generously interpreting hints in the game. Some IT proponents unfortunately take things too far, believing theirs is the only interpretation of the game's narrative. Or that Bioware are geniuses.

Bioware are not geniuses. Paul Verhooven is a genius. He directed a film which was open to two simultaneous interpretations, one face-value, another that after a particular moment what we see played out is Arnie's fantasy. I firmly believe that Bioware tried to do the same. Hint at indoctrination, while giving us a face value ending. So I believe in IT; it's a valid interpretation of the narrative. It does not mean there is no ending. This is fiction. There is an ending, and the question is what it means. How you interpret it.

What went worng, is that the face-value ending, the RGB, the ME3 equivalent of Arnie rolling down the Mars hills while they arebeing terraformed, is botched. It simply was not in keeping with the unfolding of the narrative. It wasn't divorced from it, but it still came out of the blue.

In order for IT to work properly, effectively, for people who are told about it to go "wow" even if they didn't spot it first time, for it to be a valid fictional device, it requires a believable face value ending. The extended cut DLC, I believe, will try to patch that (with varying degrees of success) and provide a firm nod to IT.

None of you will be satisfied. Because you are turning on each other like mangy dogs. Hence why I said, if I were Bioware, I'd be embarassed to count you among my hardcore fans. Get your act together.


Damn well said +10000

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BatmanTurian wrote...

iamthedave3 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
The other games that didnt have the real real ending, also had credits rolling. I dont see your point.


Huh?  No, I'm saying that we get a message saying "Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" after the credits no matter which choice we made, because all three choices actually succeed in ending the Reaper threat.


I thought that was quite presumptuous, personally. My Shepherd who chose Control fully intended to call the reapers back and harvest the galaxy once she learned - via her new state of being - that the invasion prevented the creation of marzipan and thus invalidated the purpose of organic life.

Indeed, the new cycle is based not on preventing the technological singularity,  but in perfecting the creation of marzipan.

Suffice it to say that the 'consciousness transfer' process did not leave her entirely sane...


I have problems believing a 4th-wall message telling me to go buy DLC honestly. If this is the best you guys can come up with, you do realize this will still play if EC hits, IT happens, and the Reapers are taken down. It doesn't negate IT in the slightest.


Oh I'm anti-ender, but I'm willing to accept that ME 3 just has a terrible ending. I've been a gamer for twenty years and I've played hundreds of games which have - to put it politely - utter bollocks waiting for me at the end of them.

It is something of an achievement that ME 3's ending ranks up among the worst of those.

Kylone Shepherd, Marzipan Mistress of the Universe, is just an extension of my general refusal to take ME 3's ending seriously and extract a little fun out of Bioware's futile grab at profundity.

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My theory on what was going on since late 2011 (just before ME3 production was finished) up to May, 2012 and Chris poll.

1. For some unknown reason, very small group of writers, probably just Casey and Walters, decided to write the ending as it was. Whether it was unintentional (arrogance), or deliberate (destroy franchise) or EA greed, does not matter. Those people thought that we would take their "art" and be fine with it.
2. Actual storyline group of writers like those behind Tuchanka and Rannoch saw this mess, but were unable to do anything. They knew most devoted fans will be angry. That's why IT hints were included. Casual players would be ok with taking ending as true, true fans will have option to speculate and say that it all was just a dream and that will be enough for both groups.
3. Game was released, but everything went wrong. Instead of expected small vocal minority, 90% of players, including casuals were dissatisfied with the ending. Retake movement has arisen, because ending was not just bad. It was insulting to everyone.
4. Casey, Mac and Bioware top executives + EA overlords decide that it is not that large dissatisfaction, just vocal minority, although larger than was expected. CEO's decide that playing by fans rules will harm them. Financial (new free DLC is expensive), moral (poor Casey with noone understanding art), image (players should not dictate anything) risks made it clear that total neglect of those fans, controlled press attack on those fans will be better solution.
5. More and more people finish the game. Bioware means don't work, ME3 gets extremely bad reputation, sales drop. IT has arisen as people discovered those hints without knowing that they were just sweet extra eggs for those who will be dissatisfied.
6. Sales drop, EA gots their "award", Retake movement hits 60k members, fans don't give up at all and find allies - Forbes and BBB. Situation is really bad. CEO's decide that total neglect would be even more harmful than playing by fans rules. Regardless, risks of changing the ending from 4 point are still there. Compromise solution - clarify endings, cosmetically change them so as less money will be spent and as few actual changes would be made as possible, but with intentions of moderate fans to be satisfied.
7. CEO's decide that they need to contain the situation and go silent. Maybe most of the community will be happy with compromise? Maybe after some time everything will go quiet? However, absolute majority still wants complete retcon or IT, not clarification. Ending was so insulting that people simply can't stop. More and more plotholes are found and outcry does not stop at all. Situation in fact got WORSE as now the whole ME3 is under attack. Technically, Bioware were too late, fan negative reaction was not contained at ending.
8. EC production begins. First surveys made by fans are sent. Bioware are unsure of how exactly they need to adress situation and make compromise. Stakes are too high, probably even company's survival depends on EC now.
9. Situation is not getting better. Writers look at what can be done with current endings and see how exactly everything is broken and why outcry is so loud. Writers and possibly CEO's now see that fans were right afterall. It is obvious for Bioware and EA by now that EC as a compromise won't work. EC needs entirely new direction, more money, more effort.
10. Clocks are ticking. They need to find a new way to write EC. Panic is becoming stronger, afterall they have already said that they won't add new endings. So, either they fail horribly by clarification or they admit they were lying on PAX. They go with second route, that will be better in the long run. Solution? IT. It is already quite popular among fans, hints were salvation. IT is really the best compromise it is retcon without retconning.
11. Chris asks our stance on IT so they can decide if they will go with it or will have to go with longer, more humiliating and more expensive way of complete retcon; or if IT is not popular, they can always give clarification and fail.

Please, vote for IT, even if you do not like it. It is better for franchise.

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Carlthestrange wrote...

I tell you, if we were told the Indoctrination theory was correct, this would be playing in my head.


nope, I would still see this.

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BatmanTurian wrote...
I have problems believing a 4th-wall message telling me to go buy DLC honestly. If this is the best you guys can come up with, you do realize this will still play if EC hits, IT happens, and the Reapers are taken down. It doesn't negate IT in the slightest.


That's just it though, it's an in-game 4th-wall message that tells you not only to buy DLC, but that Shepard did, in fact, end the Reaper threat.  If Shepard didn't end the Reaper threat, then it would have just said something like "You completed the game, now go buy DLC!"  The message says "Shepard ended the Reaper threat" because that's what happened.  The endings, cannonically, were real, not an illusion, as is confirmed by that message and the cinematics that followed the end of Shepard's stream of conciousness (when he either dies by control or synthesis or is incapacitated by destroy).  If EC does bring IT into the picture, it will be a retcon to the story, nothing more.




Please, vote for IT, even if you do not like it. It is better for franchise.


It's terrible for the franchise.  The endings, though hastily presented in my opinion and terribly written in the opinion of others (I'm of the opinion that aside from the presentation, the writing behind it is quite solid), at least fits with the larger themes of the series, confirms the answers to certain questions that were hinted at through the games, and brings Shepard's and the Reapers' stories to a close.  To suddenly come out and make all of that an illusion, and thus replace it with something completely different, would just be really awkward and pointless.  That is my opinion.  Still, as terrible an idea as I think it would be, if anyone could pull it off, Bioware could.  My expectations wouldn't exactly be high, but it wouldn't put me off from the series.

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dreamgazer wrote...

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I'm still in awe that people assume this means anything.

You do realize he can use this to gauge how many people will be upset when the EC is released?

Because it won't be the Indoctrination Theory?


It's direct, public acknowledgment of that interpretation, specifically, being an option clearly on the table. Even you shouldn't be able to deny that. I know you don't see eye-to-eye with the idea, to put it lightly, but Priestly's put a spotlight on it. And there are poll results.

I'm sure you'll just claim I'm guilty of confirmation bias or Pareidolia, though.


Oh, you're just no fun!

Yes, he did acknowledge it, but I cannot make a judgement until I see anything.