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[Xenite]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

Its better than what they gave us, so I honestly don't care.

It would be considerably worse than what they gave us.

Not if they spin it correctly....

[Archonsg]

If they retcon and add in a fourth option, where Shepard fought against AN ATTEMPT to indoc him, yes. If they made it so that Shepard is indoctrinated, no.

As for the "Forgive but not forget" remark, no. I will not forgive them either way, though my ire would be less so depending on the ending option or options we get, and I will never ever forget for a moment that this company choose to release an incomplete product and only relented due to an unforeseen outcry.

Otherwise you can bet your sorry asses that you'd have to pay for that Resurgence DLC, and the upcoming Rebellion DLC. Damage control is damage control, and earning back my goodwill takes more than "free" stuff. Money is only money. I just want what was originally advertised before they pulled that off after the BBB stated that they mis-represented their (Bioware) product (ME3).

Modifié par Archonsg, 25 mai 2012 - 07:24 .

[Mcfly616]

I find it funny that people complain about the IT....

Hmm....the ending we got isnt an ending to begin with....

The IT isn't either(but it gives Bioware a chance to add a "real" ending....or atleast a quality one....

Another funny observation....people would rather accept that Bioware lied and gave us a crap, anti-climactic, vague ending and leave it at that....

....instead of accepting that Bioware lied, gave us a crap ending, and created a better one for us.....





face/palm

[Oransel]

IsaacShep wrote...

Oransel wrote...
Actual storyline group of writers like those behind Tuchanka and Rannoch saw this mess, but were unable to do anything. They knew most devoted fans will be angry. That's why IT hints were included.

Once again. How did these "Tuchanka/Rannoch writers" managed to include IT hints if they were unable to do anything?

They were unable to write ending, but noone could stop them from adding hints in their respective arks.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

I gotta say this has been one of the most entertaining threads to read lately.

Modifié par RADIUMEYEZ, 25 mai 2012 - 08:33 .

[liggy002]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I find it funny that people complain about the IT....

Hmm....the ending we got isnt an ending to begin with....

The IT isn't either(but it gives Bioware a chance to add a "real" ending....or atleast a quality one....

Another funny observation....people would rather accept that Bioware lied and gave us a crap, anti-climactic, vague ending and leave it at that....

....instead of accepting that Bioware lied, gave us a crap ending, and created a better one for us.....





face/palm

Yeah seriously, very true!

[RADIUMEYEZ]

liggy002 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I find it funny that people complain about the IT....

Hmm....the ending we got isnt an ending to begin with....

The IT isn't either(but it gives Bioware a chance to add a "real" ending....or atleast a quality one....

Another funny observation....people would rather accept that Bioware lied and gave us a crap, anti-climactic, vague ending and leave it at that....

....instead of accepting that Bioware lied, gave us a crap ending, and created a better one for us.....





face/palm

Yeah seriously, very true!

Yeah lol I guess it's true about some people will complain about everything.

[UrgentArchengel]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I find it funny that people complain about the IT....

Hmm....the ending we got isnt an ending to begin with....

The IT isn't either(but it gives Bioware a chance to add a "real" ending....or atleast a quality one....

Another funny observation....people would rather accept that Bioware lied and gave us a crap, anti-climactic, vague ending and leave it at that....

....instead of accepting that Bioware lied, gave us a crap ending, and created a better one for us.....





face/palm

Some people aren't looking for anything logical...Where's Christopher Nolan and his extreme in dept analysis' when you need them?

[RADIUMEYEZ]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I find it funny that people complain about the IT....

Hmm....the ending we got isnt an ending to begin with....

The IT isn't either(but it gives Bioware a chance to add a "real" ending....or atleast a quality one....

Another funny observation....people would rather accept that Bioware lied and gave us a crap, anti-climactic, vague ending and leave it at that....

....instead of accepting that Bioware lied, gave us a crap ending, and created a better one for us.....





face/palm

Some people aren't looking for anything logical...Where's Christopher Nolan and his extreme in dept analysis' when you need them?

Lol yeah no kidding we need him right now.

[Yarne]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I find it funny that people complain about the IT....

Hmm....the ending we got isnt an ending to begin with....

The IT isn't either(but it gives Bioware a chance to add a "real" ending....or atleast a quality one....

Another funny observation....people would rather accept that Bioware lied and gave us a crap, anti-climactic, vague ending and leave it at that....

....instead of accepting that Bioware lied, gave us a crap ending, and created a better one for us.....





face/palm

So you suggest people should just accept ideas – no matter how far-fetched or speculative – as fact simply because it has pleasant implications? That’s not reasonable or logical. That’s wishful thinking.

Modifié par Panicky, 25 mai 2012 - 11:05 .

[mmmpollo]

Mr. Priestly's poll is really worded weirdly. It's not asking if you'd accept IT or not. It's asking if you believe it currently and it's very clearcut. It wants no explanations, only a yes or no. It's asking if you currently believe IT to be the case. My theory is he's asking to see whether they could get away with using IT and claiming they planned it. If a majority believe they planned it, then they can move ahead. They don't want people to simply want IT while believing it was implemented due to fan pressure. They need to stick to their guns by "keeping their artistic integrity" so they need to be convinced that their fanbase believe they planned it.

[Noelemahc]

mmmpollo wrote...
 It wants no explanations, only a yes or no. It's asking if you currently believe IT to be the case. My theory is he's asking to see whether they could get away with using IT and claiming they planned it. If a majority believe they planned it, then they can move ahead.

Yeah, I suspect the same thing. It's a way to gauge whether making IT their own would anger the fanbase or satisfy it. And, as an anti-IT dude, I'm real sad that the consensus on the HTL forums is towards "use it, use it".

[Orumon]

Noelemahc wrote...

mmmpollo wrote...
 It wants no explanations, only a yes or no. It's asking if you currently believe IT to be the case. My theory is he's asking to see whether they could get away with using IT and claiming they planned it. If a majority believe they planned it, then they can move ahead.

Yeah, I suspect the same thing. It's a way to gauge whether making IT their own would anger the fanbase or satisfy it. And, as an anti-IT dude, I'm real sad that the consensus on the HTL forums is towards "use it, use it".

My honest opinion is that IT is just grasping at straws BUT it's also vastly better than what we've got and adds content to the story.

That said, I'd prefer a new ending entirely (as in the whole priority earth mission so you can have more impact.) but that's out of the question.

[Vigil_N7]

I didn't want to make a new thread so I'll post my response here and hopefully get a reply.

How come IT has picked up steam on here? When I frequented these boards a month or two ago not long after PAX the general consensus was that IT was rubbish.

What's changed? People's desperation for a better ending deluded their judgement? Or has some more news come out about the theory?

I still hold the position that IT would've been a tremendous ****-up on Bioware's part if it was originally intended. If they wing it into the extended cut and admit it wasn't their original intention then it'd be better than what we've got now though I suppose - but bioware wouldn't do that, if it wasn't intended then fans would ultimately decide the outcome of the trilogy which may or may not be a good thing, but its certainly a hard pill to swallow for those who came up with the original ending.

If IT was originally intended, then I'd never purchase another bioware game on the basis that they released an unfinished game, an unfinished trilogy no less. I understand business is business but this is Mass Effect 3 damn it, not a stand alone IP - rushing it really has tarnished the overall series for many in relation to the ending, there is no way to justify it.

[ReXspec]

Taboo-XX wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Is it really Priestly though? Or is it a troll?

It's him.

He's just doing his job.

At the risk of sounding fatalistic, I'm honestly wondering if Mr. Priestly is gathering info for some reason I cannot comprehend, or gathering the aforementioned data to save later if BioWare quashes all hopes of the IT being true, and rubbing it in our faces.

Again, I don't mean to sound fatalistic, but why would he honestly care?  The EC is going to come out regardless and we can't make heads or tails as to whether it will prove the IT right or wrong.

[ReXspec]

Panicky wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I find it funny that people complain about the IT....

Hmm....the ending we got isnt an ending to begin with....

The IT isn't either(but it gives Bioware a chance to add a "real" ending....or atleast a quality one....

Another funny observation....people would rather accept that Bioware lied and gave us a crap, anti-climactic, vague ending and leave it at that....

....instead of accepting that Bioware lied, gave us a crap ending, and created a better one for us.....





face/palm

So you suggest people should just accept ideas – no matter how far-fetched or speculative – as fact simply because it has pleasant implications? That’s not reasonable or logical. That’s wishful thinking.

Logic has nothing to do with it if either side of the IT argument don't have any evidence from our proven source (BioWare) to prove it wrong or right.  I could make bring up evidence to support the IT just as easily as you could to disprove it.  At that point, it just comes down to perspective and opinion:  Do you want the IT to be true or not?

Wait and see.  That is all we can do at this point.

If the IT is proven true in the EC, then I'll gladly accept it (with the caveat that Bioware treds lightly with all the manholes that plague the IT).  If it isn't, then BioWare has lost a long time customer and I'm shelving ME3 for good.

[Geneaux486]

I sure did. I don't care to argue with you, I'm too zen for that ****.

If you have to say it then it's not true.  If you don't care to argue with me, keep it to yourself.

Not if they spin it correctly....

No doubt.  Like I said earlier, if anyone can pull it off, Bioware can, and it wouldn't ruin the series for me or whatever, I'm simply of the opinion that it's not needed.

Logic has nothing to do with it if either side of the IT argument don't have any evidence from our proven source (BioWare) to prove it wrong or right.

"Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat."

-the game. 

[BatmanTurian]

Noelemahc wrote...

mmmpollo wrote...
 It wants no explanations, only a yes or no. It's asking if you currently believe IT to be the case. My theory is he's asking to see whether they could get away with using IT and claiming they planned it. If a majority believe they planned it, then they can move ahead.

Yeah, I suspect the same thing. It's a way to gauge whether making IT their own would anger the fanbase or satisfy it. And, as an anti-IT dude, I'm real sad that the consensus on the HTL forums is towards "use it, use it".

Cry me a river.

[mmmpollo]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

How come IT has picked up steam on here? When I frequented these boards a month or two ago not long after PAX the general consensus was that IT was rubbish.

What's changed? People's desperation for a better ending deluded their judgement? Or has some more news come out about the theory?

I believe the theory picked up steam because Mr. Muzyka made it clear from his statement that BW would not "change" the ending, only expand on it.  People who didn't previously believe in IT think it's a good idea now (myself included) as a way for them to claim they intended IT (thus not "changing the ending") while essentially providing us with a vastly different conclusion.  At this point, many people feel this is a get-out-of-jail free card for BW and they should take it.

[Mcfly616]

Panicky wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I find it funny that people complain about the IT....

Hmm....the ending we got isnt an ending to begin with....

The IT isn't either(but it gives Bioware a chance to add a "real" ending....or atleast a quality one....

Another funny observation....people would rather accept that Bioware lied and gave us a crap, anti-climactic, vague ending and leave it at that....

....instead of accepting that Bioware lied, gave us a crap ending, and created a better one for us.....





face/palm

So you suggest people should just accept ideas – no matter how far-fetched or speculative – as fact simply because it has pleasant implications? That’s not reasonable or logical. That’s wishful thinking.

You act like the IT is just some scenario that was made up.....IT is based off of in-game occurrences.....so no, I don't think its far fetched at all....

And no, I'm not wishing for anything.....I doubt IT becomes a reality....but if it did, it would be the best possible scenario....


Oh while we're talking about what's logical and what's not......where was the logic in the current "ending"? Oh.....right......there is none

[-Skorpious-]

Noelemahc wrote...

Yeah, I suspect the same thing. It's a way to gauge whether making IT their own would anger the fanbase or satisfy it. And, as an anti-IT dude, I'm real sad that the consensus on the HTL forums is towards "use it, use it".

Use it. 

But in all seriousness, unless Bioware is lying to us again with the whole "no new endings" comment (isn't it odd that I actually want Bioware to start lying to me?) , then clarifying the ending will do little to remedy my dissatisfaction with ME3's default conclusion, as -

Joker will still fly away to Gilligan's planet, space-travel is still completely boned, the god-awful plot-device known as the starchild will still spout its idiocies, our war assets will still receive a whopping 30 seconds of screen time, and so forth. 

 I desperately want to start liking Mass Effect again, and the IT is a fantastic way to please the fans while getting a chance to revise the ending without substantial work on Bioware's part. 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 25 mai 2012 - 05:13 .

[Had-to-say]

TSA_383 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

You're not going to get through to him...

Yeah, sorry, I'm not really one for rejecting in-game evidence based solely on the fact that it hurts your argument.

So these assumptions:
-Shepard can survive being at the epicentre of a multi-megaton explosion.
-Just because the leader of the reapers is taking the form of a child shepard's been dreaming about doesn't mean they're inside your head at all.
-Anderson can teleport.
-Shepard can survive being at the epicentre of a multi-megaton explosion. Without a helmet.
-The dreams full of reaper noises are a normal PTSD symptom.
-The leader of the reapers is totally telling the truth and is someone we can trust.
-The reaper idea of "synthesis" isn't the exact idea that's caused them to create all the synthetic-organic hybrids we've been fighting since the start of ME1.
-Shepard can survive being at the epicentre of a multi-megaton explosion. Without a helmet. In space.
-Bioware wrote an ending to encourage speculation that should be taken at face value.


Make more sense than these ones:
-Reapers are doing exactly what they've done in every ME game so far; indoctrinating people.

I just had to quote this list above. So convincing. I was on the fence but no longer. I always wanted to believe.

[Yarne]

ReXspec wrote...

Panicky wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I find it funny that people complain about the IT....

Hmm....the ending we got isnt an ending to begin with....

The IT isn't either(but it gives Bioware a chance to add a "real" ending....or atleast a quality one....

Another funny observation....people would rather accept that Bioware lied and gave us a crap, anti-climactic, vague ending and leave it at that....

....instead of accepting that Bioware lied, gave us a crap ending, and created a better one for us.....





face/palm

So you suggest people should just accept ideas – no matter how far-fetched or speculative – as fact simply because it has pleasant implications? That’s not reasonable or logical. That’s wishful thinking.

Logic has nothing to do with it if either side of the IT argument don't have any evidence from our proven source (BioWare) to prove it wrong or right.  I could make bring up evidence to support the IT just as easily as you could to disprove it.  At that point, it just comes down to perspective and opinion:  Do you want the IT to be true or not?

Wait and see.  That is all we can do at this point.

If the IT is proven true in the EC, then I'll gladly accept it (with the caveat that Bioware treds lightly with all the manholes that plague the IT).  If it isn't, then BioWare has lost a long time customer and I'm shelving ME3 for good.

I expressed neither support nor opposition to Indoctrination Theory. I don’t have particularly strong views towards either side at the moment. If Indoctrination Theory is confirmed and it provides BioWare with the means by which to save the ending then I’ll accept it.

However, while there certainly is a lack of substantive evidence on both sides, I’d like to remind you that the burden of proof does fall to the Indoctrination Theorists, and so far they have been unable to provide anything besides rampant speculation. In other words, the theory has about as much credibility as a conspiracy theory and you can’t blame people for not being entirely convinced by it.

Modifié par Panicky, 25 mai 2012 - 05:19 .

[-Skorpious-]

Geneaux486 wrote...

And some people are trying to say that's the way to save this game. 

'Cause there's no better way to soothe an angry fanbase than by saying you sold them an incomplete product, lied about it, then made them wait for the rest, while lying about it some more.

No, Bioware sold us a complete product. Flawed yes, but complete. They simply didn't expect such monumental backlash. I never assumed that the IT was planned for inclusion in the final product (although it is stated in the final hours app that Bioware experimented with it), but there is enough in-game "evidence" behind the theory that it is not entirely far-fetched if it became a reality.

If the EC runs with the IT it won't be because they "planned it", but rather a genuine attempt to please an upset fanbase. 

[Mcfly616]

You're right....everything is so logical.and realistic in those last 10 minutes.....you know....like Anderson saying that he followed you up the beam, yet there was nobody left standing near the beam except the face/off between Shep and Marauder Shields....

So he wasnt there, nobody was.....but he followed Shep up....ok......so how did he.get to the control.panel?

Oh, did I mention Shepard is standing in OUTERSPACE with no OXYGEN!....

Wait...wait.....he WAKES UP!


what was it you were saying about "burden of proof"?


Because as far as I can tell, one could say the same thing to people who think the last 10 minutes is actually "real"....where's their proof? Because ReaperBieber, oops, I mean, because StarBrat said so?

Umm yeah....no

Modifié par Mcfly616, 25 mai 2012 - 05:32 .