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[Gruntburner]

Well whoever these guys (or just guy, maybe) are, I wish them luck in whatever endeavor they pursue next, because Bioware will not change the ending. Nor should they.

[Taboo]

Gruntburner wrote...

Well whoever these guys (or just guy, maybe) are, I wish them luck in whatever endeavor they pursue next, because Bioware will not change the ending. Nor should they.

Too bad they already compromised.

If they were as concerned with their art as much as everyone seems to think they are they wouldn't have done anything.

[EsterCloat]

It's not really a threat but more of an ultimatum.

Don't see a problem with it personally. Kinda funny how Chris seems to characterize it as some kind of grave threat though, at least for me.

"If there's no new endings we're gone!"

"How can we be polite when you're threatening us!?"

Modifié par EsterCloat, 23 mai 2012 - 01:19 .

[KingKhan03]

EsterCloat wrote...

It's not really a threat but more of an ultimatum.

Don't see a problem with it personally. Kinda funny how Chris seems to characterize it as some kind of grave threat though, at least for me.

"If there's no new endings we're gone!"

"How can we be polite when you're threatening us!?"

This. Why is this such a big deal? they gave an ultimatum I don't see any threats.

[Taboo]

I don't really see that as a threat.

It reminds me of a child who simply goes and pouts when it doesn't get a cookie.

[jsadalia]

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Modifié par jsadalia, 23 mai 2012 - 01:23 .

[2484Stryker]

Can't find the tweet. What exactly did the guy say? From the reactions here, sounds like he threatened someone's life...did he?

[EsterCloat]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't really see that as a threat.

It reminds me of a child who simply goes and pouts when it doesn't get a cookie.

Because a good ending is a treat to be given out at a parent's discretion.

[Taboo]

EsterCloat wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't really see that as a threat.

It reminds me of a child who simply goes and pouts when it doesn't get a cookie.

Because a good ending is a treat to be given out at a parent's discretion.

They elected to give us something by their discretion.

What it will be will be revealed later.

I hope it's a cookie.

[Sal86]

Without knowing what the actual message was, there's no way of knowing how threatening it was/wasn't. They might have said they will stop buying BW products in future. They might have said they will go on a tireless campaign to inform the world that BW is eeeeevviiillllllll.

Either way there is no point of course. They aren't going to get what they want, they just put a crimp in someone's day for no reason.

[EsterCloat]

Taboo-XX wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't really see that as a threat.

It reminds me of a child who simply goes and pouts when it doesn't get a cookie.

Because a good ending is a treat to be given out at a parent's discretion.

They elected to give us something by their discretion.

What it will be will be revealed later.

I hope it's a cookie.

We were given undercooked asparagus when promised mashed potatoes.

They then said that they'd add some stuff to our meal due to complaints. They then made sure to say that they weren't going to go back on giving us asparagus and what they'd be adding was most likely going to be something like asparagus but cooked longer and with more seasoning but they weren't going to put in mashed potatoes because it would compromise the entire meal.

All I want is mashed potatoes.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 23 mai 2012 - 01:35 .

[dreamgazer]

Probably a splinter group. I wonder how he got the idea that HTL was behind it, though.

[julio77777]

Actually anyone saying "Iwill never buy another BW product ever if you don't change the endings" lose credibility in my eyes.
You can say you won't be purchasing any future DLC or mass effect product, since you are disappointed with the franchise, but refusing to buy a product you would consider good (assuming they make a good non ME game in the future), just because they didn't change an ending and that disappointed you is immature IMO.
I was disappointed with ME3 endings, I moved on, I don't hold irrealistic hopes for EC.
And I will be purchasing future BW products if they're good, any sensible person would. But I will most likely not pre-order them.
I think it's time for people to be reasonnable about this whole thing...

Modifié par julio77777, 23 mai 2012 - 04:33 .

[FlamingBoy]

its hardly like bioware is a shiny beacon in public relations, this htl group organized over the internet has done leagues better than bioware in the past few months

[wantedman dan]

julio77777 wrote...

Actually anyone saying "Iwill never buy another BW product ever if you don't change the endings" lose credibility in my eyes.
You can say you won't be purchasing any future DLC or mass effect product, since you are disappointed with the franchise, but penalising an eventual good product, that has nothing to do with ME, out of spite is immature to say it politely.
I was disappointed with ME3 endings, I moved on, I don't hold irrealistic hopes for EC.
And I will be purchasing future BW products if they're good, any sensible person would. But I will most likely not pre-order them.
I think it's time for people to be reasonnable about this whole thing...

So basically, you're, in a roundabout and "polite" way, condemning anyone that disagrees with your opinion as being "immature" and without credibility.

Yeah, polite.

[Tazzmission]

Mev186 wrote...

These threats are not going to do anything but make them more stubborn and defensive of their crappy ending. No need for threats, if you don't like it don't buy their games. They'll get the message eventually

the thing is bioware wants to talk to the fans on the subject but those same fans cant go without saying anything insulting .


ever since this whole backlash i have not seen one possitive critisim at all because all i ever saw was i demand so and so be terminated or how did so and so get a degree is psychology, or be a little sally whiney chump who cries to the ftc and you wonder why the developers dont talk on these forums


people have no idea what the difference is between insulting something and  being a critic about something

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 mai 2012 - 01:46 .

[devSin]

Maybe it was just somebody trying to answer the questions that Chris was asking over there?

Chris Priestly was over there asking what people would expect, and what BioWare could do to placate them if they weren't satisfied with the extended cut.

I think it's odious to equate a single person with a entire group. I don't let it color my opinion of BioWare when Chris acts a fool, and I'd hope he'd have the decency to not let a single person's response color his opinion of an entire community.

[Caddywamps]

EsterCloat wrote...

It's not really a threat but more of an ultimatum.

Don't see a problem with it personally. Kinda funny how Chris seems to characterize it as some kind of grave threat though, at least for me.

"If there's no new endings we're gone!"

"How can we be polite when you're threatening us!?"

1.  Anyone who knows anyone that takes him or herself seriously as any kind of artist knows that... delivering the ultimatum of "change your art or I'll leave" will only end with the artist showing him or her the door.  You don't have to like what said artist does, but the artist does what the artist feels is right.  Threats nor ultimatums convince anyone, but they might stir the courage to make a stand against them.

2.  EVERYONE is glad that BW isn't going to change the ending, even if they say they want new endings.  Do you really want a game made by a studio that just does whatever they think will sell the most copies (that's the argument being made by the "ultimatum" crowd)?  I would rather have a game studio be willing to think outside of the focus-group and demographic research box.  Did Faulkner change his books because people didn't like them?  No.  He did what he believed was best, and now he's hailed as a genius.

3.  If you think the "ultimatum" crowd is nuts, you're happy that BW still cares about them.  We've all already shelled out our money for the game.  Lots of us forked over extra money for day 1 DLC (and some were even happy with it).  The cost effective, efficient business thing to do would be to let that group be unhappy and know that the wonderful reviews the game was getting would continue to net respectable sales and profit while you worked on another cookie-cutter "blockbuster" game that everyone would "have" to buy because publishing giant EA's advertising money told them so. 

Instead, you have a company that legitimately cares about its fans to adress their concerns, but understands and values the artistic and creative processes enough to refuse to disrespect that.  Most companies would just pay their moderators to dismiss the whole thing as a small group of whiners.  BioWare is so much better than that, and they're proving it.

4.  If you spend enough time and energy looking at a game, you'll find TONS of things wrong with any of them.  I sell jewelry, and I promise you that when a woman gets a diamond engagement ring, she'll know every little flaw in short order because she stares at it all the time.  Games are the same, only less expensive to buy.


/end rant

[Ariq]

A threat? Hardly.

This is a business relationship. Bioware makes games I like; they get my money. They don't make games I like; they don't get my money. They have no claim to my money otherwise. How is that even a question? Since when did a customer informing a business of a problem they have with the business constitute a threat?

I have no connection to HTL, btw, I just fail to see how this is a 'threat'.

Modifié par Ariq, 23 mai 2012 - 01:51 .

[Chief Commander]

Just wait and see what the EC brings. THEN we can talk.

[sanadawarrior]

julio77777 wrote...

Actually anyone saying "Iwill never buy another BW product ever if you don't change the endings" lose credibility in my eyes.
You can say you won't be purchasing any future DLC or mass effect product, since you are disappointed with the franchise, but penalising an eventual good product, that has nothing to do with ME, out of spite is immature to say it politely.
I was disappointed with ME3 endings, I moved on, I don't hold irrealistic hopes for EC.
And I will be purchasing future BW products if they're good, any sensible person would. But I will most likely not pre-order them.
I think it's time for people to be reasonnable about this whole thing...

I would think buying products from a company that you dont like would make you immature, or at least stupid but thats just me. Also I find it funny that you say we would be penalizing a future product of Bioware's as if the natural order of things was for us to just hand over our money and not doing that was somehow "punishing" them. Did I punish Bioware when I chose not to buy Jade Empire when it first came out? Are 8 billion people punishing Bioware everytime one of their games release?

[aaron baba]

I sincerely doubt that Chris believe this message represents HTL as a whole. Even still - it's too bad people are already defacing a relatively civil push to influence Bioware's future decisions.

[wantedman dan]

Caddywamps wrote...

1.  Anyone who knows anyone that takes him or herself seriously as any kind of artist knows that... delivering the ultimatum of "change your art or I'll leave" will only end with the artist showing him or her the door.  You don't have to like what said artist does, but the artist does what the artist feels is right.  Threats nor ultimatums convince anyone, but they might stir the courage to make a stand against them.

I'm only going to touch this part of your rant because I couldn't care less about the rest of them.

Anyone who knows anything knows the difference between commissioned art and personal art. Mass Effect 3, if it is art, is commissioned. 

[julio77777]

wantedman dan wrote...

So basically, you're, in a roundabout and "polite" way, condemning anyone that disagrees with your opinion as being "immature" and without credibility.

Yeah, polite.

Actually no I don't, you must have misunderstood, or misread me.

I'm saying I find the whole "I'm threatening you to not purchase any of your products, no matter how good they are, if you don't change the endings I didn't like" attitude immature, and making that kind of threat is not credible *in my eyes*.

If you want to make the *wallet* threat make it to future ME products it's much more credible, but stop with the extremes.

[aaron baba]

Chief Commander wrote...

Just wait and see what the EC brings. THEN we can talk.

THISTHISTHIS.