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[wicked_being]

What is HTL anyway? I mean I know it stemmed from Retake, made their own forums and called their group HTL. But what do they represent? Are they the same group as the ones in the So we can't get the ending we want after all? Are their goals different from Retake's? Heck I don't even know what Retake stands for now.

[RainbowDazed]

robertm2 wrote...

If you would like to see the tweet it is a two part tweet near the top of Chris Priestly's twitter page.

https://twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris

I don't know if I read the tweets wrong, but to me they say:

"I got a postcard from someone who said that (s)he's not happy with our product and that if it is not improved, (s)he will not buy more of our products. I feel threathened by this post card."

Maybe there was information missing from those tweets, but I don't understand how the above can be interperted as a threat? It's demanding sure, and rude maybe. But a threat? Since when is customers voting with their wallets concidered a threat? It's like saying "I have the right to your money, and if you state that you will not blindly commit buy what every piece of artistic crap I make, I'm going to feel threathened." 

I'm sorry, but I agree with the person who send the post-card, so here comes one more "threat" to you, people of Bioware: "If the EC does not dazzle me (which is very unlikely), I will not pre-order or buy at full retail prize any of your upcoming titles."

[robertm2]

G Kevin wrote...

I believe this would be relevant information here for anyone who has not been informed yet.

http://www.holdtheli...-incident.1916/ 

good detective work g kevin. but honestly its not like the whole ordeal was below htl. had the majority of the members been more civil and productive not as many people would have thought it was real in the first place. a consumer has a right to be upset and to say something about it but they really have nobody to blame but themselves. and the person who did this of course.

[G Kevin]

robertm2 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

I believe this would be relevant information here for anyone who has not been informed yet.

http://www.holdtheli...-incident.1916/ 

good detective work g kevin. but honestly its not like the whole ordeal was below htl. had the majority of the members been more civil and productive not as many people would have thought it was real in the first place. a consumer has a right to be upset and to say something about it but they really have nobody to blame but themselves. and the person who did this of course.

The same people that send hate letters to Bioware give Retakers and HTL and bad reputation and you can't really blame others for believeing it.

Hell, I don't think many people here know about this incident until people started mentioning it here. If everyone on BSN is only informed of stuff like this, of course it's resonable to say that HTL or Retakers are ill-mannered. However, for the time being, they show respect and civility to Bioware and their fellow peers (as far as I know).

Just because someone is under the retake or HTL banner does not mean that they represent it.

Modifié par G Kevin, 23 mai 2012 - 04:03 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

julio77777 wrote...

Actually anyone saying "Iwill never buy another BW product ever if you don't change the endings" lose credibility in my eyes.
You can say you won't be purchasing any future DLC or mass effect product, since you are disappointed with the franchise, but penalising an eventual good product, that has nothing to do with ME, out of spite is immature to say it politely.
I was disappointed with ME3 endings, I moved on, I don't hold irrealistic hopes for EC.
And I will be purchasing future BW products if they're good, any sensible person would. But I will most likely not pre-order them.
I think it's time for people to be reasonnable about this whole thing...

So...if someone sold you a car that caught on fire (Ferrari 458 Italia) and you swore to never to buy a car from them again you would be immature?

Excellent.

[webhead921]

KingKhan03 wrote...

I think threatening to leave the company is not as extreme as people make it out to be. If they are not happy they can leave we shouldn't judge them.

I 100% agree.  On the other hand, I bet there are a significant number of people who are threatening to never buy a Bioware product again who will buy Dragon Age 3 and the next Mass Effect game on day one.  Just like my friends who complained about how terribale Mass Effect 2 was for being too watered down, then bought Mass Effect 3 on launch.  Just like a ton of my friends who complain about Call of Duty being rehashed crap, yet buy every game every year.  

To those who can actually stand up for what they believe in and actually vote with their wallet, you have my respect.

[Necrotron]

Well, considering the extended cut flat out doesn't address the majority of retakers concerns, I can understand their not wanting to participate in Bioware's business in the future. Myself, I give people grace for a mistake and will see what Bioware makes in the future and just consider Mass Effect dead.

I do hold a glimmer of hope though....

[clennon8]

Without knowing the precise contents of whatever it was that Mr. Priestly received, it's hard to make a judgment as to whether Mr. Priestly is overreacting or the sender stepped over the line. So I'll just get on board with the general notion that there's nothing wrong with "threatening" to never buy a Bioware product again. Frankly, that's where I am. I know I'm not going to be satisfied with a mere "expansion" of the endings. The RGB choices were so thematically repugnant that no amount of lollipops and unicorns is going to make them palatable to me. They are wasting their time.

Modifié par clennon8, 23 mai 2012 - 04:26 .

[julio77777]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

So...if someone sold you a car that caught on fire (Ferrari 458 Italia) and you swore to never to buy a car from them again you would be immature?

Excellent.

Seriously people stop with the bad analogies...

And I explained what I meant in other posts, obviously I need to edit the original post with so many misunderstanding.

[RoamerZA]

Look guys and girls ... The EC is going to be the last chance to save the franchise for many of us. Look at any other threads and people are saying that they have such low expectations already.

So what do we do? Do we wait for BW to spend time, money and resources on an EC that will not satisfy the hard core fanbase (aka the DLC buyers), or do we tell them now they seriously screwed up the ending and they need to change it?

Maybe HTL could be more tactful, but their sentiment is a natural consumer response .... if you start making substandard products we'll stop buying. To do otherwise would be silly

I have spent a fortune on ME over the last 5 years. I am not a member of HTL, but that will stop if after the EC the ending is still ... stupid, and let them bask in their BS artistic integrity. I think the last 10 minutes is really bad art, and I don't buy bad art!

Modifié par RoamerZA, 23 mai 2012 - 04:46 .

[robertm2]

julio77777 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

So...if someone sold you a car that caught on fire (Ferrari 458 Italia) and you swore to never to buy a car from them again you would be immature?

Excellent.

Seriously people stop with the bad analogies...

And I explained what I meant in other posts, obviously I need to edit the original post with so many misunderstanding.

it really is a bad analogy. that would be usable if you put the disc in and it didnt work or it blew up your xbox. if you bought a ferrari and it didnt go as fast as you wanted it to that would be closer to what people are complaining about. the game works it just is not what people expected. honestly that may be the worst analogy ever.

[Dont Kaidan Me]

sanadawarrior wrote...

So if I had a black and decker toaster oven that I was unhappy with I chose not to buy a coffee maker from them you would consider me immature?

....
(Why do toaster analogies keep popping up in threads?)

"Fixing" the end will only make the rest of my broken game sad.

[chemiclord]

RoamerZA wrote...

Look guys and girls ... The EC is going to be the last chance to save the franchise for many of us. Look at any other threads and people are saying that they have such low expectations already.

So what do we do? Do we wait for BW to spend time, money and resources on an EC that will not satisfy the hard core fanbase (aka the DLC buyers), or do we tell them now they seriously screwed up the ending and they need to change it?

Maybe HTL could be more tactful, but their sentiment is a natural consumer response .... if you start making substandard products we'll stop buying. To do otherwise would be silly

I have spent a fortune on ME over the last 5 years. I am not a member of HTL, but that will stop if after the EC the ending is still ... stupid, and let them bask in their BS artistic integrity. I think the last 10 minutes is really bad art, and I don't buy bad art!

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on looking back to the people up in arms about the ending of the leaked script, and then comparing those names to the more vocal complainers of the ending we got that you'd find a lot of the same names.

These people had decided long ago that they were going to hate ANYTHING Bioware did to end the series.  They had already decided the ending sucked before they even got the physical game (that they no doubt waited in line for at midnight).  They have already decided the EC is going to suck.  Even if Bioware HAD said, "alright, we're gonna completely scrap the ending," they would STILL hate the end result.

There is no reasoning with such people, and there is no point even TRYING to cater to them.

[Lee80]

mashintao wrote...



Threatening to not buy products from a company that produces things that are below their expectations???

http://t0.gstatic.co...GzrgqttOQ830iqW

This.  It doesn't seem as much like a threat as logical thinking.  If you aren't pleased don't pertake.  I never take things to the extreme myself.  I don't like making absolute statements in general.  I like the freedome to change my mind.  However, I would prefer new endings as well, but I'm accepting things as they are in reality for the moment.  Though I retain the right to either buy or not buy the next game (or games) depending on many different factors.  

[Tazzmission]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

julio77777 wrote...

Actually anyone saying "Iwill never buy another BW product ever if you don't change the endings" lose credibility in my eyes.
You can say you won't be purchasing any future DLC or mass effect product, since you are disappointed with the franchise, but penalising an eventual good product, that has nothing to do with ME, out of spite is immature to say it politely.
I was disappointed with ME3 endings, I moved on, I don't hold irrealistic hopes for EC.
And I will be purchasing future BW products if they're good, any sensible person would. But I will most likely not pre-order them.
I think it's time for people to be reasonnable about this whole thing...

So...if someone sold you a car that caught on fire (Ferrari 458 Italia) and you swore to never to buy a car from them again you would be immature?

Excellent.

wow really? ill bite and answer

its YOUR duty as a consumer to check everything out on that car and if you still buy it knowing it has faults then imo you shouldnt complain


same with me3


everyone knew the ending was leaked and still bought the game damn well knowing how it ended and they sit on here and say the devs owe us because we are ** consumers**


if you knew what the ending was and didnt like what you saw then why buy it in the first place?

[Harmless Crunch]

Hopefully this is just a few extremists.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

robertm2 wrote...

julio77777 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

So...if someone sold you a car that caught on fire (Ferrari 458 Italia) and you swore to never to buy a car from them again you would be immature?

Excellent.

Seriously people stop with the bad analogies...

And I explained what I meant in other posts, obviously I need to edit the original post with so many misunderstanding.

it really is a bad analogy. that would be usable if you put the disc in and it didnt work or it blew up your xbox. if you bought a ferrari and it didnt go as fast as you wanted it to that would be closer to what people are complaining about. the game works it just is not what people expected. honestly that may be the worst analogy ever.

it went with what he said, and while the fire may only be metaphorical, the ending did catch the franchise on fire.

[bahamutomega]

whatever threat was made, it was a childish fit of "taking my ball and going home."

that's right - childish.

no one knows what is in the Extended Cut yet. how are these people somehow informed ahead of time what is in the Extended Cut. this is irrational, attention seeking, childish behavior that i wish had been ignored.

i was disappointed in the ending. making threats will not correct the situation. in fact, if i was being threatened, i would shrug, say "oh well" and walk away from the person/people threatening me.

HTL should filter this person/sub-group out - there is no communicating with them. they will demand what they want until they get it. maybe some of them will realize they are being selfish and obnoxious, but if they are already making threats, it's not likely.

[dreamgazer]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

(Why do toaster analogies keep popping up in threads?)

Edit: Oh, fiddlesticks. Nevermind.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 23 mai 2012 - 05:21 .

[Torrible]

 Nothing wrong with boycotting a company's products. Technically, there must be thousands of companies I'm boycotting right now. What crosses the line is using what is a basic consumer right as a threat to coerce a company into tweaking a product to your personal satisfaction. If it was any other fanbase and game unconnected to you, you'll be calling their actions arrogant and self-entitled. However, since you (the retakers) are the ones directly affected by the ending and humans are by nature egoists, you see nothing wrong with such actions.

[Abreu Road]

If they can see the difference between "my opinions are my own and don't represent Bioware's or EA's opinions", why they can't see the same applies with individual fans and the Hold the Line as a whole?

C'mon, they are being more whiners than the fans.

[robertm2]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

julio77777 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

So...if someone sold you a car that caught on fire (Ferrari 458 Italia) and you swore to never to buy a car from them again you would be immature?

Excellent.

Seriously people stop with the bad analogies...

And I explained what I meant in other posts, obviously I need to edit the original post with so many misunderstanding.

it really is a bad analogy. that would be usable if you put the disc in and it didnt work or it blew up your xbox. if you bought a ferrari and it didnt go as fast as you wanted it to that would be closer to what people are complaining about. the game works it just is not what people expected. honestly that may be the worst analogy ever.

it went with what he said, and while the fire may only be metaphorical, the ending did catch the franchise on fire.

so your one of those people who thinks the ending ruined two other really good games? give me a break id hate to come off as combative here but thats just taking it to far. Alot of fans of star wars dont like the 3 newer movies but that doesnt stop them from enjoying the originals. Regardless of how the ending was, even if it was glorious you would still know how the series ends. Gimme a break.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

robertm2 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

julio77777 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

So...if someone sold you a car that caught on fire (Ferrari 458 Italia) and you swore to never to buy a car from them again you would be immature?

Excellent.

Seriously people stop with the bad analogies...

And I explained what I meant in other posts, obviously I need to edit the original post with so many misunderstanding.

it really is a bad analogy. that would be usable if you put the disc in and it didnt work or it blew up your xbox. if you bought a ferrari and it didnt go as fast as you wanted it to that would be closer to what people are complaining about. the game works it just is not what people expected. honestly that may be the worst analogy ever.

it went with what he said, and while the fire may only be metaphorical, the ending did catch the franchise on fire.

so your one of those people who thinks the ending ruined two other really good games? give me a break id hate to come off as combative here but thats just taking it to far. Alot of fans of star wars dont like the 3 newer movies but that doesnt stop them from enjoying the originals. Regardless of how the ending was, even if it was glorious you would still know how the series ends. Gimme a break.

On the Star Wars prequels, nothing they did made the original 3 meaningless.

I didn't say ME 1 and 2 were ruined, I said the ending made them meaningless, if you are going to argue against the use of hyperbole then don't use it yourself.

EDIT: If Lucas made a sequel to Return of The Jedi where Luke discovered a new threat and 2 and a half hours later at the end it turned out Jar Jar Binks was actually the leader of the empire, The Death star(s) were just prototypes to a ship that wiped out entire star systems and they were just there to troll the galaxy, the fire and fury from Star Wars fans would make Sol look like a popsicle.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 23 mai 2012 - 05:36 .

[Tazzmission]

robertm2 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

julio77777 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

So...if someone sold you a car that caught on fire (Ferrari 458 Italia) and you swore to never to buy a car from them again you would be immature?

Excellent.

Seriously people stop with the bad analogies...

And I explained what I meant in other posts, obviously I need to edit the original post with so many misunderstanding.

it really is a bad analogy. that would be usable if you put the disc in and it didnt work or it blew up your xbox. if you bought a ferrari and it didnt go as fast as you wanted it to that would be closer to what people are complaining about. the game works it just is not what people expected. honestly that may be the worst analogy ever.

it went with what he said, and while the fire may only be metaphorical, the ending did catch the franchise on fire.

so your one of those people who thinks the ending ruined two other really good games? give me a break id hate to come off as combative here but thats just taking it to far. Alot of fans of star wars dont like the 3 newer movies but that doesnt stop them from enjoying the originals. Regardless of how the ending was, even if it was glorious you would still know how the series ends. Gimme a break.

^ this this this^


believe it or not despite the new trilogy episode 3 is the only good one out of it

and despite my gripes with certain things in me3 i still think its fun as hell and has a great story up until the casper kid


and even if the endings are a wtf im confused i still think the trilogy is by far one of the best this gaming generation