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[Baa Baa]

KingKhan03 wrote...

I think threatening to leave the company is not as extreme as people make it out to be. If they are not happy they can leave we shouldn't judge them.

This all the way

[DazenCobalt17]

saying you will no longer support a company who disappointed you is threatening? Please, Chris no offense but grow a thicker hide. That's their right. The only way this should be considered threatening is if there is content cut out from that letter that we don't know about.

[Pelle6666]

I would have preferred a new ending in addition to the ones that we got but if BioWare actually gives us something that redeems the series with the EC then I'm happy.

[Jamie9]

Pelle6666 wrote...

I would have preferred a new ending in addition to the ones that we got but if BioWare actually gives us something that redeems the series with the EC then I'm happy.

I think this is what everyone wants. Some are just sceptical that the ending we got is redeemable at all. I don't know what to believe honestly, I'm just going to wait I think before making any judgements.

[MattFini]

Tazzmission wrote...

its YOUR duty as a consumer to check everything out on that car and if you still buy it knowing it has faults then imo you shouldnt complain

same with me3

everyone knew the ending was leaked and still bought the game damn well knowing how it ended and they sit on here and say the devs owe us because we are ** consumers**

if you knew what the ending was and didnt like what you saw then why buy it in the first place?

Really?  So what you're saying is that if an ending is leaked, I have to spoil the whole damn game for myself ahead of time in order to make an informed decision?

Sorry but I'd rather have some confidence in a company that created the first two stellar games in a trilogy rather than ruin everything in the story before I've even got the game in my hands.  

This car vs. video game analogy doesn't work.

[BunBun299]

robertm2 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

How are these threats? They're just saying what many are already thinking. I'm gonna abandon them if EC turns out to be disappointing, too. What, am I a bad person for that? Of course not, I have every right to do so. I don't even know why I shouldn't be allowed to. This has nothing to do with disrespect, either. Bioware's quality standards have sunk considerably beginning with DA II and I don't see any reason to support them anymore unless EC is suprisingly good. And the best way to achieve that would be to add new ending or change the endings.

I was actually pretty sure OP was trolling, but everybody's taking him serious.

robertm2 wrote...

They have already said that they will not change the endings only clarify them and I really think this was the best move for everyone because pro-enders are happy, developers dont lose their "artistic integrity" and retakers get clarification.

Especially this seems to be intentionally ignorant and just asking for people to get angry. Are my troll senses off or are people in here being gullible?

your troll sense are way off. i was simply reporting a tweet that chris priestly posted. I still stand by the fact that what bioware is doing is the best move within reason. Completely changing the ending would make people alot of people angry and it would take alot of time and money. Adding clarifiaction keeps the ending and gives what alot of retakers claim is all they wanted in the first place. Bsn has alot of trolls ( and im guessing your one of them) so seeing as your the only person who has accused me of this i would say its safe to assume that part you qouted just makes you angry because you dont agree with it. Dont try to claim anyone who doesnt take offense to my statements or doesnt agree with you lacks intelligence all undercover like.

I'll admit, I haven't read every thread on this board, let alone every retake artical or seen retake video on the net, but the vast majority of ones I have seen and read have explicitly stated that "clarification" is exactly what they did NOT want. Clarification can only dance around the most grievous issues of the ending, which I would name as the Reaper Brat, the destruction of the Mass Relays, and the Normandy's cowardly fleeing. All other problems stem from these issues. Telling us why Joker suddenly turned coward does not fix the problem. Infact, it would exacerbate it. Bioware cannot clarify their way out of this. And if that's what they're truly doing, then they deserve to lose their fanbase.

[Jadebaby]

robertm2 wrote...

They have already said that they will not change the endings only clarify them and I really think this was the best move for everyone because pro-enders are happy

 
If it's in a form of DLC then they have the option not to download it if it changes the endings... Win/win.

developers dont lose their "artistic integrity"

I'm sorry but did you refer to artistic integrity in a serious manner? Is this a troll?

and retakers get clarification.

Retakers don't and NEVER wanted clarification, as the old metaphor goes.... "A polished turd, is still a turd."

Does whoever sent this honestly think that these threats are going to change what bioware is already knee deep in the process of? I mean they complained, made polls, made a website, donated to charity and bioware finally did something about it and they still want to keep on with this.

I agree with the first half, the threats of abandonment wont solve this, but as for the second part. They did all the things you mentioned, constructive things mind you, to channel their frustration and in some cases, depression.
Then to retort, Bioware basically said "for those of you upset, we will be releasing clarity dlc to 'explain' to you what we meant." As if they're just not smart enough to understand it for themselves.

I have to ask are there any retakers who are ashamed at this behavior? Because at this point it has gone from understandable anger over a subpar ending to people who think that they can control every facet of a developer if they whine and threaten enough.

It is also the reason I, and many others, seperated from the retake movement, I still "hold the line". But in my own ways. My opinion is my line, and I don't need to be dissolved into a group of extremists to express it.

[Jadebaby]

MattFini wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

its YOUR duty as a consumer to check everything out on that car and if you still buy it knowing it has faults then imo you shouldnt complain

same with me3

everyone knew the ending was leaked and still bought the game damn well knowing how it ended and they sit on here and say the devs owe us because we are ** consumers**

if you knew what the ending was and didnt like what you saw then why buy it in the first place?

Really?  So what you're saying is that if an ending is leaked, I have to spoil the whole damn game for myself ahead of time in order to make an informed decision?

Sorry but I'd rather have some confidence in a company that created the first two stellar games in a trilogy rather than ruin everything in the story before I've even got the game in my hands.  

This car vs. video game analogy doesn't work.

Agreed, worst analogy of the day imo. Nuff said.

[Jadebaby]

Baa Baa wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

I think threatening to leave the company is not as extreme as people make it out to be. If they are not happy they can leave we shouldn't judge them.

This all the way

Quickly, while I agree with the notion you should express your feelings and reactions on anything. It should be done in the appropriate way, ie; make a thread on the forum, or better yet, post in one that already exists outlining what you will do or not do in the future if EC goes belly up.
But pming/tweeting individual people from Bioware staff is silly and extreme imo.

[Kulthar Drax]

Making threats to withdraw your business from a company that has (in their opinion) produced subpar products is perfectly understandable and entirely reasonable. Making threats against individuals within said company over things done with subpar products is not acceptable. However, as far as I am aware (and I could entirely be wrong in this), the threats are merely along the lines of "improve/change your damn product or you won't have our business in future". This, while potentially impossible to meet in business terms due to financing/time/resources etc, is not an unreasonable demand/threat.

[ed87]

Well i guess the insanity only makes it more obvious that the ending sucked

[SirCroft]

Northern Sun wrote...

I don't see how threatening to not buy future Bioware products constitutes calls of "whiners". This is a BUSINESS relationship between us(the paying customer) and Bioware(the firm providing a commodity).

If a firm is not producing satisfactory products, the consumer has every right to demand changes to make the commodity satisfactory.

The firm, being in control of the commodity, has every right to either implement the changes or choose to keep the commodity as is.

The consumer, in response, has every right to adjust their spending practices accordingly.

Now, if there are personal attacks made on members of said firm, that crosses the line. But despite the high level of communication between Bioware and a group of consumers on this forum, neither Bioware nor their employees are "chums". We do not go over to each others' houses to drink beer and watch the Oilers get their butts kicked; we buy their products, and are entitled to the things listed above.

Can't argue with that.

[EricHVela]

"Attributing personal statements to a company means we end up not sharing opinions." -Manveer Heir, the Curry Thunder (He linked this in his Twitter accompanying this statement from him. This was a few days ago.)

Don't read too much into it. His views are his own. Keep picking apart this stuff and he'll likely stop asking our opinions of things.

And HTL doesn't speak for me. I won't be visiting that site again.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 23 mai 2012 - 01:00 .

[EagleScoutDJB]

I have no idea what was said on this threatening post card Bioware revived, but from what I've heard it was only one out of all the letters that were sent in for Operation Letter Tsunami. If it really was only one what does it say about Bioware that they thought the best way to handle one bad post card was to go on Twitter and talk about it?

[Little Princess Peach]

more people that fight the ending the more Bioware is going to hold up there shields, its a no win situation

[davishepard]

"Do what I want, or I'll not buy your things anymore".

Childish threats will never win a thing. It's not a exchange. There's a product, you buy if you want/like it, or don't. You don't threat the developers to change it.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Tazzmission wrote...

wow really? ill bite and answer

its YOUR duty as a consumer to check everything out on that car and if you still buy it knowing it has faults then imo you shouldnt complain


same with me3

everyone knew the ending was leaked and still bought the game damn well knowing how it ended and they sit on here and say the devs owe us because we are ** consumers**

if you knew what the ending was and didnt like what you saw then why buy it in the first place?

Probably one of the more idiotic statements in this thread. I'm really surprised that anyone could take you seriously after this.

Are you also the kind of person that tells people that they have to spoil mystery stories in advance to determine if they're worth buying?

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 23 mai 2012 - 01:17 .

[Luder09]

*facepalm* @ Tazz

[EagleScoutDJB]

wicked_being wrote...

What is HTL anyway? I mean I know it stemmed from Retake, made their own forums and called their group HTL. But what do they represent? Are they the same group as the ones in the So we can't get the ending we want after all? Are their goals different from Retake's? Heck I don't even know what Retake stands for now.

This is what we stand for: Mission Statement

[CR121691]

Maybe not very inappropriate but i can understand wht people are angry. BioWare is not responding to his fanbase for months about the SP part of the game. We need information about what they are working on!

[yesikareyes]

Still talking about this, I see.

[kookie28]

Where's Spider-man when you need him?

[Ravenmyste]

and the funny thing is that you all know they changed the ending from the leaked original script and they chnaged some of it and couldn't get to make the ending they really wanted see bioware asking ea for money to make a ending they wanted and was forced into the abc thing..

if retakes and htl had any brains in there heads they would done something that would been more impressive. like buy bioware from EA instead of the cupcake movement, etc..

then they would be able to with the game before the leaked script thing,.. but no one even think s about that...

[sanadawarrior]

davishepard wrote...

"Do what I want, or I'll not buy your things anymore".

Childish threats will never win a thing. It's not a exchange. There's a product, you buy if you want/like it, or don't. You don't threat the developers to change it.

Uhm, it is an exchange, our money for their product...

Anyways, I am well within my rights as a consumer to tell Bioware that if they don't change something I will no longer be buying their products and Bioware is well within their rights to tell me to go right ahead and never buy one of their products again, thats how it is supposed to work. There is no threat there, so unless there is something else going on here that we didn't see I don't get why Chris or anyone else is acting like this is a big deal.

[thefallen2far]

So.... pro enders' position is to continue to give Bioware money in the future, regardless of content, reputation or respect to the consumer. Just give them money. And ..... you're surprised people call pro-enders shills.

Modifié par thefallen2far, 23 mai 2012 - 02:27 .