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[Tazzmission]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

wow really? ill bite and answer

its YOUR duty as a consumer to check everything out on that car and if you still buy it knowing it has faults then imo you shouldnt complain


same with me3

everyone knew the ending was leaked and still bought the game damn well knowing how it ended and they sit on here and say the devs owe us because we are ** consumers**

if you knew what the ending was and didnt like what you saw then why buy it in the first place?

Probably one of the more idiotic statements in this thread. I'm really surprised that anyone could take you seriously after this.

i have a feeling this is you

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 mai 2012 - 02:29 .

[clennon8]

davishepard wrote...

"Do what I want, or I'll not buy your things anymore".

Childish threats will never win a thing. It's not a exchange. There's a product, you buy if you want/like it, or don't. You don't threat the developers to change it.

Hmm.  That doesn't strike me as childish, actually.

[Persephone]

thefallen2far wrote...

So.... pro enders' position is to continue to give Bioware money in the future, regardless of content, reputation or respect to the consumer. Just give them money. And ..... you're surprised people call pro-enders shills.

Sure, keep believing that.

I buy games I enjoy, I do not care who develops them. Most of the games I love are Bioware games. So what? They also made games that I didn't enjoy as much. I love ME3 and I enjoyed the Control ending, the whole ME3 experience was amazing to me.

I don't care about reputation. I also don't really care about Bioware "respecting" me or catering to me. All I care about is content. If I like it, I'll buy it. Easy as that.

Generalizations don't work and are offensive. If "pro-enders" are shills, then anti-enders are clueless whiners. According to your logic, anyway. I am not surprised "people" call pro-enders "shills". Those who do are "people" I couldn't care less about. They disgrace the fandom and themselves. And I am sick and tired of being sneered at for saying that I loved ME3 on...the BIOWARE Social Network.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Tazzmission wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

wow really? ill bite and answer

its YOUR duty as a consumer to check everything out on that car and if you still buy it knowing it has faults then imo you shouldnt complain


same with me3

everyone knew the ending was leaked and still bought the game damn well knowing how it ended and they sit on here and say the devs owe us because we are ** consumers**

if you knew what the ending was and didnt like what you saw then why buy it in the first place?

Probably one of the more idiotic statements in this thread. I'm really surprised that anyone could take you seriously after this.

i have a feeling this is you

Given your [moronic] opinions on how the consumer should approach buying a product, I'm not too worried about your feelings. 

But what was that you said before about it being the consumer's "duty" to learn everything before taking action? Perhaps you should have done the same before posting that picture.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 23 mai 2012 - 03:15 .

[Persephone]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

wow really? ill bite and answer

its YOUR duty as a consumer to check everything out on that car and if you still buy it knowing it has faults then imo you shouldnt complain


same with me3

everyone knew the ending was leaked and still bought the game damn well knowing how it ended and they sit on here and say the devs owe us because we are ** consumers**

if you knew what the ending was and didnt like what you saw then why buy it in the first place?

Probably one of the more idiotic statements in this thread. I'm really surprised that anyone could take you seriously after this.

i have a feeling this is you

Given your [moronic] opinions on how the consumer should approach buying a product, I'm not too worried about your feelings. 

But what was that you said before about it being the consumer's "duty" to learn everything before taking action? Perhaps you should have done the same before posting that picture.

Doing research before you buy something is what a smart consumer should always do.

But that is neither here nor there, as every single BSNer has suddenly turned into a consumer rights expert as of late.

So yeah. Peace out.

[Luder09]

Persephone wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

wow really? ill bite and answer

its YOUR duty as a consumer to check everything out on that car and if you still buy it knowing it has faults then imo you shouldnt complain


same with me3

everyone knew the ending was leaked and still bought the game damn well knowing how it ended and they sit on here and say the devs owe us because we are ** consumers**

if you knew what the ending was and didnt like what you saw then why buy it in the first place?

Probably one of the more idiotic statements in this thread. I'm really surprised that anyone could take you seriously after this.

i have a feeling this is you

Given your [moronic] opinions on how the consumer should approach buying a product, I'm not too worried about your feelings. 

But what was that you said before about it being the consumer's "duty" to learn everything before taking action? Perhaps you should have done the same before posting that picture.

Doing research before you buy something is what a smart consumer should always do.

But that is neither here nor there, as every single BSNer has suddenly turned into a consumer rights expert as of late.

So yeah. Peace out.

I guess this means companies should do away with any sort of pre-order and any special bonuses that come with it? 

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Persephone wrote...

Doing research before you buy something is what a smart consumer should always do.

Sure, within reason. I might test-drive a car before purchasing it. But if I have to go on youtube to view every single cut-scene before making a decision, it speaks to a lack of confidence in the final product. And given that Bioware's reputation is as a story-telling developer and that they disapprove of spoilers and story leaks, I think it's funny that Tazz says that it's the consumer's fault for not attempting to depreciate the product's value.

As I said, like telling someone that they need to spoil a mystery story before buying the mystery, which removes much of the enjoyment from the experience.

But that is neither here nor there, as every single BSNer has suddenly turned into a consumer rights expert as of late.

You don't need special training to understand the realities of the free market. The company is interested in achieving a profit. They do this by offering a product or service. In the gaming industry, the consumer is interested in entertainment. They obtain entertainment by offering monetary compensation.

I don't have to do any kind of research. I'm not under obligation to buy their product. Consumers are letting Bioware know that they will no longer give money if they don't receive a certain product, something well within their rights.

Research allows us to make more informed decisions, but doesn't allow the company immunity from criticism. Whether I do research only decisions whether I am previously aware of whether the final product is bad.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 23 mai 2012 - 03:38 .

[Lyrebon]

I don't get how Twitter works, am I supposed to be impressed by it's functionalities or something?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

to summarize this thread:

Modifié par DinoSteve, 23 mai 2012 - 04:22 .

[MindSweeper14]

Without knowing the actual content of the message it's hard to judge how reasonable it was. Personally though, I'd rather see the EC before deciding whether I hate it or not...

[NM_Che56]

Like they're holding EA's profits hostage and will blow its brains out if bioware doesn't deliver. LOL

[NM_Che56]

DinoSteve wrote...

to summarize this thread:

EC is free, right?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Tazzmission wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

wow really? ill bite and answer

its YOUR duty as a consumer to check everything out on that car and if you still buy it knowing it has faults then imo you shouldnt complain


same with me3

everyone knew the ending was leaked and still bought the game damn well knowing how it ended and they sit on here and say the devs owe us because we are ** consumers**

if you knew what the ending was and didnt like what you saw then why buy it in the first place?

Probably one of the more idiotic statements in this thread. I'm really surprised that anyone could take you seriously after this.

i have a feeling this is you




*ironysnip*

if Mass Effect was a car or a product that wasn't a form of media with you know...a story I could see it being your "duty" to do some research, I know this might come as a surprise to you but not everyone goes on the forums, and few people actually go around looking to spoil a story by skipping straight to the end, and how is it not a company's duty to make sure their product isn't sh*t before they release it if they don't want to have angry consumers, the demo didn't mention a literal deus ex machina, or an ending that contradicts nearly everything you ever did, or if it did it must have flown over everyones head but yours. 

Sure ME may not be "commisioned" art per se but  I could argue that after the first Mass Effect it did become commisioned in a way and if you go from an excellent game to a very enjoyable game to a game that after 4 hours feels like a complete rush job, you should be ready for backlash.

Ill go ahead and say after Tuchanka ME3 felt like it was just a liscensed game made by a company trying to be BioWare, but I'll say Rannoch was good. 


EDIT: I didn't mention this in the bulk of my post but your statement REALLY clarifies your stance, and you now have no credibility in this discussion, saying it is the consumers fault that something your company was objectively terrible and offensive to good writing is not just bad busisness, it is stupid.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 23 mai 2012 - 04:39 .

[DevilBeast]

EsterCloat wrote...

It's not really a threat but more of an ultimatum.

Don't see a problem with it personally. Kinda funny how Chris seems to characterize it as some kind of grave threat though, at least for me.

"If there's no new endings we're gone!"

"How can we be polite when you're threatening us!?"

Ultimatum: A statement, especially
in diplomatic negotiations, that expresses or implies the threat of
serious penalties if the terms are not accepted.

Modifié par DevilBeast, 23 mai 2012 - 04:47 .

[Rajalia]

Going to point out another company's flaw as an example. Not likely nearly as extreme but still goes along the lines of promising a product that wasn't what it should have been.

Bethesda released a couple years ago a Star Trek game for the 360. It had some good hype, and perhaps some decent promise as a space shooter. But on release, there were significant flaws and features were missing. A good example was any kind of multiplayer ability, which was clearly printed on the case. Rather than take the hit and reprint their covers after deciding to scrap MP mode in lieu to releasing on time, they put the product out as is and suffered a large number of fines in countries for purposeful false advertisement of their product. They could've spent money to fix it, but they didn't. It would have been cost prohibitive. It was a smaller hit to pay the fines and suck up their losses.

Bioware put out a subpar product based on the statements they themselves made, yes. And they've been slapped a bit for being misleading and boarderline getting nailed with false advertising. But the cost to essentially redo an entire game would vastly outweigh just cutting their losses presently. I'd give them praise for actually owning up to some of the fault on their end by at least trying to fill in the gaps and holes they admittedly left out.

There are always exteremists in every group no matter the cause, they they undoubtedly do far more harm than good.

Should ME3 been made a better product based off of what the developers promised? Yes.
Have they taken full blame? no, not entirely, but they too have a right to stand by their own product. At least they are trying to add to it.
Will they redo essentially the entire back quarter of the game or pack on a HUGE dlc to add more endings? No... it's not cost a cost effective solution at this stage. Many people forget that it costs a sizeable amount of money to pay all the hands that are involved.

The best we can hope for is that after their cost cutting mistakes in DA2, and their mistakes in ME3 that they'll take these lessons to heart and learn from them. There's only so long one can focus on what's been done. The past is the past... there's no changing that. But they've the ability to improve on the future.

[Pee Jae]

*shrug* <-- how they should reply to that. Zealotry generally won't get you anywhere. I hate the endings with the rage and fury of a billion burning suns myself, but that kind of thing is just... not how you affect any kind of change. You simply take your money elsewhere.

[boymurder]

If we 'wait and see' on the EC and it doesn't address the issues people have, then what?

Do people really think EA will be willing to provide bioware with funding for another chance at ending DLC? hell no, they'll move on to paid for DLC instead.

The guy(s) that gave the ultimatum are afraid that extended ending won't be able to fix the ending adequately and by the time they get to see EC it will be too late to have input. EC is going to be make or break for a lot of people after the recent disappointments from bioware. These people don't want to threaten bioware but to let them know the consequences or their choices.

[Persephone]

Rajalia wrote...

Bioware put out a subpar product based on the statements they themselves made, yes. .

Subpar? Subpar?

I sure wish there were more "subpar" games then. No, really.

[Atakuma]

Typical internet bravado. They act indignant and make threats, but in the end they rarely ever follow through.

[boymurder]

t_skwerl wrote...

*shrug* <-- how they should reply to that. Zealotry generally won't get you anywhere. I hate the endings with the rage and fury of a billion burning suns myself, but that kind of thing is just... not how you affect any kind of change. You simply take your money elsewhere.

isn't that basically what they were saying though? if there aren't new endings then they will take their money elsewhere, it would be hard to affect change on the EC after it comes out so they warn of voting with their wallets before they do it.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Persephone wrote...

Rajalia wrote...

Bioware put out a subpar product based on the statements they themselves made, yes. .

Subpar? Subpar?

I sure wish there were more "subpar" games then. No, really.

...I wish I could get some rose tinted glasses so I couldn't see the obvious rush job after Tuchanka.

[boymurder]

Persephone wrote...

Rajalia wrote...

Bioware put out a subpar product based on the statements they themselves made, yes. .

Subpar? Subpar?

I sure wish there were more "subpar" games then. No, really.

he's referring specifically to the statements by bioware that the ending would not be choose A, B, C

[Persephone]

boymurder wrote...

If we 'wait and see' on the EC and it doesn't address the issues people have, then what?

Do people really think EA will be willing to provide bioware with funding for another chance at ending DLC? hell no, they'll move on to paid for DLC instead.

The guy(s) that gave the ultimatum are afraid that extended ending won't be able to fix the ending adequately and by the time they get to see EC it will be too late to have input. EC is going to be make or break for a lot of people after the recent disappointments from bioware. These people don't want to threaten bioware but to let them know the consequences or their choices.

It's not going to change anything. EC is a compromise. More than most companies offer, in fact. I have yet to see Lionhead Studios deliver on ANY promise. Or deliver a satisfying ending. Ever. Or the now defunct company that made the Gothic IV....want a dreadful ending, a full game filled with plot holes, NO choices, a horrid combat system etc. Play that. Then you'll see what plot holes, no choices and dreadful endings actually are.

[Persephone]

boymurder wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Rajalia wrote...

Bioware put out a subpar product based on the statements they themselves made, yes. .

Subpar? Subpar?

I sure wish there were more "subpar" games then. No, really.

he's referring specifically to the statements by bioware that the ending would not be choose A, B, C

That does not make the whole game "subpar".

[spirosz]

Atakuma wrote...

Typical internet bravado. They act indignant and make threats, but in the end they rarely ever follow through.

Plus, I bet half of them have no idea what actually goes into making and developing a game.  It's one thing to watch a few "behind the scenes" videos, compared to actually crafting and committing yourself to developing the skills needed to make games like ME3.  

Does that mean they don't have a right to be pissed?  No, but Bioware has stated countless times that they're not changing anything in the ending (which I'm not a fan of).