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[M0keys]

Optimystic_X wrote...

M0keys wrote...

the psychological damage would be beyond anything I could imagine.

I would wager that a great many things are beyond your imagination if this is the only scenario you can think up.

gee thanks pal

i love you too

[PsyrenY]

Random Jerkface wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Suicide is for weak-minded idiots, period.

What kind of f*cked up bullsh*t am I reading.

"Suicide due to green upgrades," then?

[Clayless]

Random Jerkface wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Suicide is for weak-minded idiots, period.

What kind of f*cked up bullsh*t am I reading.

Exactly.

[M0keys]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

hence you'd probably survive. but lots of people wouldn't. biologically, they'd be utterly morphed.

hormones and chemicals and such thrown so horrifically out of whack, it'd be difficult for the entire organic galaxy not to shift considerably under the stress, restructuring the entire structure of the "animal kingdom," so to speak.

entire classes of people disappearing in days. probably billions simply dying because they don't even understand their own existences anymore, and decaying and withering. or maybe not decaying, because now they're synthetic, so they lose their minds instead.

Or maybe it's no more drastic a change than puberty.

what... kind of puberty did you have?

[OblivionDawn]

There is not an ounce of logic in the original post.

Suicide would not be my first reaction to reaching the apex of evolution. Because I'm not a psychopath.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Random Jerkface wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Suicide is for weak-minded idiots, period.

What kind of f*cked up bullsh*t am I reading.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was a little disturbed by that.

[George-Kinsill]

MisterJB wrote...

George-Kinsill wrote...
This would be realy bad for the environment in the outbreak of war...a bunch of superhumans duking it out.

Worse than a Nuclear War which is possible today, in 2012?

Of course not. I m just talking about brawls and bar room fights. Any small argument can result in massive damage.

[M0keys]

OblivionDawn wrote...

There is not an ounce of logic in the original post.

Suicide would not be my first reaction to reaching the apex of evolution. Because I'm not a psychopath.

it doesn't work that way
evolution doesn't have an apex
it's a process that lasts for as long as life does. when the evolution of your species stops, that's because you're all dead.

edit: or in stasis, possibly.

Modifié par M0keys, 23 mai 2012 - 03:50 .

[ardensia]

One of the funny things about people all going through traumatic events is that often times they'll pull together to get through it. Yeah, sure, you'll have looters and trauma. But look at how New York City came together post 9/11 and how the rest of the country (and even other countries) rushed to help and support them.

It really, really depends on who you have around you, both in terms of family and friends and as a society. It's when the people others are looking to for leadership freak out that the masses start going crazy in bad situations. Or if the leadership seems to be seriously downplaying the extent of the hurt for the majority of the people. But considering that all the leaders will have just gone through Synthesis, too, the latter is unlikely.

Additionally, that initial trauma would only last for the first generation. The kids would grow up never knowing that. Synthesis would just be "the way of things."

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Random Jerkface wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Suicide is for weak-minded idiots, period.

What kind of f*cked up bullsh*t am I reading.

Actually, not period. Some people do it under the influence or have mental disorders.

Otherwise, I basically stand by that statement.

[OblivionDawn]

M0keys wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

There is not an ounce of logic in the original post.

Suicide would not be my first reaction to reaching the apex of evolution. Because I'm not a psychopath.

it doesn't work that way
evolution doesn't have an apex
it's a process that lasts for as long as life does. when the evolution of your species stops, that's because you're all dead.

Actually it does work that way. Based on the lore that Bioware presented us with, anyway. And that's the only information I care about in this context.

Starchild, on Synthesis: "Synthesis is the final evolution of life."

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 23 mai 2012 - 03:53 .

[M0keys]

ardensia wrote...

One of the funny things about people all going through traumatic events is that often times they'll pull together to get through it. Yeah, sure, you'll have looters and trauma. But look at how New York City came together post 9/11 and how the rest of the country (and even other countries) rushed to help and support them.

It really, really depends on who you have around you, both in terms of family and friends and as a society. It's when the people others are looking to for leadership freak out that the masses start going crazy in bad situations. Or if the leadership seems to be seriously downplaying the extent of the hurt for the majority of the people. But considering that all the leaders will have just gone through Synthesis, too, the latter is unlikely.

Additionally, that initial trauma would only last for the first generation. The kids would grow up never knowing that. Synthesis would just be "the way of things."

but everything changes so much, communities don't even exist on any level we understand

remember, we're all half-reaper now (yeah, it got its organic stuff from shepard, but where, pray-tell, did they get the synthetic material? the geth? then it was pre-individualization geth? what?) so I'm not sure what the implications are for ... the daily lives of anyone anymore, or even how our minds work on a chemical level.

[George-Kinsill]

OblivionDawn wrote...

There is not an ounce of logic in the original post.

Suicide would not be my first reaction to reaching the apex of evolution. Because I'm not a psychopath.

Makes perfect sense. It would be every single part of you being torn apart to make way for new DNA/synthetic upgrades or whatever the hell it is. I know that past Reaper attempts to ascend species were no that pleasant...synthesis may not be as bad, but still is going to hurt.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Suicide is for weak-minded idiots, period.

What kind of f*cked up bullsh*t am I reading.

Actually, not period. Some people do it under the influence or have mental disorders.

Otherwise, I basically stand by that statement.

Javik told my Shep he was going to kill himself after the war; he's not an idiot...

[Tigerman123]

You're a denizen of the ME galaxy, you thought you were inevitably going to be killed by the Reapers in short order, a flash of green light appears and you are transformed, but more importantly to you, free from the immediate danger of loss of life or limb. It isn't as if anyone other than Shepard or the Catalyst knows that there were any other options available..

[What a Succulent Ass]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Otherwise, I basically stand by that statement.

How very nice. I'm just going to assume you've never personally been affected by suicides, bow out, and abandon the f*ck out of this thread before I get myself banned again.

[M0keys]

OblivionDawn wrote...

M0keys wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

There is not an ounce of logic in the original post.

Suicide would not be my first reaction to reaching the apex of evolution. Because I'm not a psychopath.

it doesn't work that way
evolution doesn't have an apex
it's a process that lasts for as long as life does. when the evolution of your species stops, that's because you're all dead.

Actually it does work that way. Based on the lore that Bioware presented us with, anyway. And that's the only information I care about in this context.

if that's true, bioware has just reached occult-level insanity...

[OblivionDawn]

George-Kinsill wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

There is not an ounce of logic in the original post.

Suicide would not be my first reaction to reaching the apex of evolution. Because I'm not a psychopath.

Makes perfect sense. It would be every single part of you being torn apart to make way for new DNA/synthetic upgrades or whatever the hell it is. I know that past Reaper attempts to ascend species were no that pleasant...synthesis may not be as bad, but still is going to hurt.

Joker, EDI, and the guys fighting on Earth didn't seem to be bothered much by it. Probably didn't hurt too bad.

[xsdob]

Ludite.

[Iakus]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Actually it does work that way. Based on the lore that Bioware presented us with, anyway. And that's the only information I care about in this context.

Starchild, on Synthesis: "Synthesis is the final evolution of life."

The Catalyst says a lot of things.

Like "The created will always turn on their creators."

[M0keys]

OblivionDawn wrote...

George-Kinsill wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

There is not an ounce of logic in the original post.

Suicide would not be my first reaction to reaching the apex of evolution. Because I'm not a psychopath.

Makes perfect sense. It would be every single part of you being torn apart to make way for new DNA/synthetic upgrades or whatever the hell it is. I know that past Reaper attempts to ascend species were no that pleasant...synthesis may not be as bad, but still is going to hurt.

Joker, EDI, and the guys fighting on Earth didn't seem to be bothered much by it. Probably didn't hurt too bad.

possibly pain doesn't even matter anymore, then. and if pain doesn't factor in, what else has been stripped away? if they're happy about the changes without any sense of regret of utterly losing what they once were (and that's a theme explored in science-fiction before,) then what does that say about their minds?

it's an event highly existential in nature.

[Iakus]

OblivionDawn wrote...


Joker, EDI, and the guys fighting on Earth didn't seem to be bothered much by it. Probably didn't hurt too bad.

Interstingly, the Green ending is the one where the soldiers don't cheer when the reapers leave...

[M0keys]

xsdob wrote...

Ludite.

ok

[George-Kinsill]

OblivionDawn wrote...

M0keys wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

There is not an ounce of logic in the original post.

Suicide would not be my first reaction to reaching the apex of evolution. Because I'm not a psychopath.

it doesn't work that way
evolution doesn't have an apex
it's a process that lasts for as long as life does. when the evolution of your species stops, that's because you're all dead.

Actually it does work that way. Based on the lore that Bioware presented us with, anyway. And that's the only information I care about in this context.

Starchild, on Synthesis: "Synthesis is the final evolution of life."

On a basic biological level, once you reach equilibrium, which synthesis would do, you die. All biological processes strive for equilibrium and once it is attained, the functions cease to work, hence death. It's actually quite ironic.

Once we have nothing to work towards, there is a lack of reason to live. This is why a great many famous historical figures became depressed and commited suicide; after all the greatness they acheived, they had nothing left to do.

[ardensia]

M0keys wrote...

but everything changes so much, communities don't even exist on any level we understand

remember, we're all half-reaper now (yeah, it got its organic stuff from shepard, but where, pray-tell, did they get the synthetic material? the geth? then it was pre-individualization geth? what?) so I'm not sure what the implications are for ... the daily lives of anyone anymore, or even how our minds work on a chemical level.

And because we don't understand these changes or implications, we can only speculate as to how bad things will or will not be. 

Yes, I do think there will be a rash of suicides with synthesis. A lot of people will outright reject what they don't, or can't, understand, without even making the effort to try or come to terms with it. But I don't think it would be NEARLY as bad as what the Reapers would do to us, if left to their own devices.