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[Transairion]

I don't even LIKE Liara but whenever something important seems to go down, Liara pops up and gives an opinion. She even creeps up into my room and shows off this weird time capsule/house for Glypth (should I care???) while trying to hit on me at every oppotunity. You're the Shadow Broker now dangit, you should probably know I'm already taken. 

Even worse you're literally forced to take her on as your only other squadmate after Mars, since Ash got her face bashed in for pratically half the game. So after that she won't shut her mouth either. Even worse, on missions where I take Liara and someone substaintally more important to me, it defaults to her opinion on the big issues. No I don't care that you're visiting Eden Prime that once had a Pro-teh-hen beacon on it, you weren't even there and I really don't care. Then we find out about Javik and you're disgustingly excited all mission (made me sick), well at least that bites you in the rump. I'm dreading the ending where my final thought will be of a non-romanced Liara because I'm apparently too stupid to remember I'm seeing Tali. That'll go over real well with her, I'm sure.

I just don't get it. Why is Liara such a Bioware favourite?  She goes from kiddie bookworm -> unhelpful floozy who is a jerk to me all of ME2 -> gets an ENTIRE hardcore DLC dedicated to little ol' her (Zaeed and Kasumi? They are short, if interesting Loyalty missions at best) -> returns in the first 15 mins to half hour of ME3 and is basically your 2nd squadmate option from the getgo. They even CRIPPLE the Virmire Survivor to make SURE you play with Liara. And then she's just freaking everywhere, and if you don't drag her along to "X mission", you're "missing out" (my guidebook even specifically RECOMMENDS dragging her on certain missions for her "unique opinion"). She just apparently became so dang wise in between 2 and 3, since nobody else could possibly tell me what she has to say... not that she has a replacement since she can't be KILLED in any game >_<

Wrex was important, but he's too busy. Legion was important, oops he 'died'. I dislike Ash almost as much Liara, but I would've preffered her understated and exceedingly racist opinion... but oh well her face got smashed in. Better do a couple of story-planets before she can walk again. But Liara never leaves, never dies, and manages to worm her way into my squad on Thessia... better bring Javik and hope she explodes from rage.

TLDR; Why does the space Smurfette get such a giant role in ME3, and previous? It's a game in space, she is a space alien lady (Bioware: "Actually, they don't have genders. But they look like blue human women, so we can have a lesbian sex scene that isn't actually lesbian. LOLUMAD groups pining for same-sex Ash/Kaiden?"), we get it she fits the genre, but there's plenty of places I could go on the interenet if I just wanted to skank around. There's such a thing as moderation, and even if you never played ME before Liara can and will shove herself down your throat. I found Shiala more interesting of a character, and she was freaking GREEN.

[What a Succulent Ass]

CRAAAAWLLLLINNNG IIIIN MY SKIIIIN

[Adugan]

MIIIIIIND RAAAAAAAAPE

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Please visit the other 324564123175864231324867 threads about this.

There are very few instances where you are forced to deal with her, just like almost every other character, and you can choose to ignore her the other 95% of the game.

Also, are you really complaining about Liara, the Prothean Expert, being excited about the Javik DLC mission? If there's ever a mission where it makes sense for her to be there and for her input to matter (other than Thessia), it's this mission.

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 23 mai 2012 - 04:32 .

[Dendio1]

Liara haters need to learn to DEAL

Modifié par Dendio1, 23 mai 2012 - 04:35 .

[Dont Kaidan Me]

You might want to peruse these topics:

http://social.biowar.../index/12171337

http://social.biowar.../index/12158347

http://social.biowar.../index/12074827

[DRTJR]

Go to Tvtropes and read the Creator's pet entry.

[EsterCloat]

You're kinda late; the "There's too much Liara in my game" thread was this morning.

I think we're on "IT Ideas" and "Spider-man candidate" threads now.

Man, Vendetta is right. This stuff just keeps repeating and repeating.

[tilusN7]

Liara is not a bad character, I don't get the hate. She's one of the most interesting characters growth wise in the series.

She goes from the bumbling prothean archaeologist in the first game to the Shadow Broker at the end of the second, and finally assists Shepard in ridding the galaxy of the reaper threat, one way or another, in the third.

[Adugan]

tilusN7 wrote...

Liara is not a bad character, I don't get the hate. She's one of the most interesting characters growth wise in the series.

She goes from the bumbling prothean archaeologist in the first game to the Shadow Broker at the end of the second, and finally assists Shepard in ridding the galaxy of the reaper threat, one way or another, in the third.

People dont like her for the same reason they break up with clingy boyfriends/girlfriends.

[kookie28]

I would be ok with her if talking to her hadn't literally put me to sleep the first day I had the game.

[Transairion]

There are very few instances where you are forced to deal with her, just like almost every other character, and you can choose to ignore her the other 95% of the game

True, I can literally ignore anyone and everyone on the Normandy if I want to. But that makes for a very boring gameplay experiance. I try and talk to everyone, everytime, and basically get every bit of input they have. Liara just seems to have tons of dialogue even about the most trivial things...

My beef is that they try and make her out as like, the most important squaddie evarh, and seem to have devoted so much damn time and effort to HER story. Devote all that time to Liara, but not enough to have the Racnhi Queen decision from ME1 actually matter? LOLwut design here I thought that was kinda important moreso than Liara's "dad" being that grumpy barmaid. But it becomes way, way more obvious Liara has the pet treatment when you look at what she gets, and compare it to what is missing. I would've preffered her as a War Asset @_@

[TiminatorT2000]

I romanced Liara as my first Shepard, and your right it dose seem like the game is "saturated" with Liara.

I think Bioware just decided they didn't have enough time to do every LI properly so they focused on doing Liara right and everyone else got left behind.

[hoodaticus]

Azure. That's why.

[shepdog77]

 

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Transairion wrote...

There are very few instances where you are forced to deal with her, just like almost every other character, and you can choose to ignore her the other 95% of the game

True, I can literally ignore anyone and everyone on the Normandy if I want to. But that makes for a very boring gameplay experiance.

I see a disconnect with complaining about character interaction, but then complaining that reducing that interaction could result in boring gameplay. You have a problem, and one that can be easily circumvented. My advocacy is not for ignoring all your squadmates, just this one particular one that you seem to hate.

And I understand! I didn't like Jacob in ME2, and hated that he was included in the 'Welcome to the Normandy' speech for just about every recently recruited squad member, but I didn't interact with him at all when I didn't have to, and it made for a near perfect gameplay experience.

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 23 mai 2012 - 04:51 .

[delphonic]

Grrr... this thing follow me around

This thing no stop talking

Why this thing has plot armor and I cant kill it??

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Dendio1 wrote...

Liara haters need to learn to DEAL

 
 
Game has too much Liara. 

It would be perfectly fine if they gave the others just as much time. It also would've been fine if they made her time optional. 

However, their did neither.

[justafan]

Why is BSN saturated with anti-Liara threads recently would be a better question.

Sure I prefer the Talimance, but I had no problems with Liara in any of the games minus the cold reception in ME2. She is Shep's close friend and has been with him since ME1, so she is a big part of the team dynamic right below Team Dextro. I really didn't mind her always checking up on Shep, at least she is there for him, and most of her stuff is optional anyways.

[What a Succulent Ass]

tilusN7 wrote...

Liara is not a bad character, I don't get the hate. She's one of the most interesting characters growth wise in the series.

She goes from the bumbling prothean archaeologist in the first game to the Shadow Broker at the end of the second, and finally assists Shepard in ridding the galaxy of the reaper threat, one way or another, in the third.

The problem with that is that she does so in such a completely and horrifically awful and inorganic manner that it really must be seen to be believed. The writer(s) put her through the grinder every time they shoehorned her into every major plot event she conceivably could be shoehorned into, and the result is a cross between a brutally mangled character suffering from what appears to be MPD, and walking plot device putty. It's really a shame, because I liked Liara (and still do, for the most part), despite the fact I don't go for that bedazzled, google-eyed, nerdbait, virginal moë bullsh*t.

Still, this same thread being repeated ad nauseam is annoying as all get out.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 23 mai 2012 - 05:03 .

[Wabajakka]

In a game with so much choice, people really can't handle just one major character being consistent... It's sad. It's just like how people complained about Anderson giving up his Council spot you gave him, it's a narrative choice and Anderson made it quite clear he didn't want it in ME2, yet people still found the nerve to complain.

Ashley/Kaidan is the same thing, they're consistent through all games, this is also the main reason some people don't like them, (including myself I admit) it's annoying, but since you can choose between male/female it suddenly lessens the hate.

Fact is, you do need to deal with it.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 23 mai 2012 - 05:07 .

[David7204]

Why is my forum saturated with whiners?

[HellbirdIV]

Transairion wrote...

Why is my game saturated with Liara?

Because she's the secondary main character of the Mass Effect trilogy's story next to Shepard.

If you don't like it, don't play Mass Effect?

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 23 mai 2012 - 05:09 .

[themikefest]

I agree with op, I ignored as much as possible. You have to understand she is a 108 yrs she is still a child. So doesn't know better. She would be better off on shelf with the rest of the smurfs

[tilusN7]

Random Jerkface wrote...

tilusN7 wrote...

Liara is not a bad character, I don't get the hate. She's one of the most interesting characters growth wise in the series.

She goes from the bumbling prothean archaeologist in the first game to the Shadow Broker at the end of the second, and finally assists Shepard in ridding the galaxy of the reaper threat, one way or another, in the third.

The problem with that is that she does so in such a completely and horrifically awful and inorganic manner that it really must be seen to be believed. The writer(s) put her through the grinder every time they shoehorned her into every major plot event she conceivably could be shoehorned into, and the result is a cross between a brutally mangled character suffering from what appears to be MPD, and walking plot device putty. It's really a shame, because I liked Liara (and still do, for the most part), despite the fact I don't go for that bedazzled, google-eyed, nerdbait, virginal moë bullsh*t.

Still, this same thread being repeated ad nauseam is annoying as all get out.

Oh I agree, they made her look like a fool in ME3, but it's not really right to hate on the character because of the person that wrote her. I mean there was so much potential with her being the Shadow Broker, it's possible they didn't want it to be too overpowered. 

But yeah, there's like 2 - 3 of these threads a day now.

Modifié par tilusN7, 23 mai 2012 - 05:15 .