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[Gotholhorakh]

eroeru wrote...

And people still talk of transparency as a relevant ideal... well, none exists really, as seems.

A little OT, but: The use of the word "transparency" used to be an in-joke among civil servants and politicians in the UK.

That is, the more transparent something is, the less you can see it, up to the wonderful point where the thing that has complete transparency is completely invisible.

"Regarding problem A: In the interests of transparency, we have released lots of information about (less severe) problem B".

An ideal, indeed.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 24 mai 2012 - 09:31 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Hmm that makes alot of sense actully. I'll have to remember to use that on the people I can't just shoot.

[eroeru]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

A little OT, but: The use of the word "transparency" used to be an in-joke among civil servants and politicians in the UK.

That is, the more transparent something is, the less you can see it, up to the wonderful point where the thing that has complete transparency is completely invisible.

"Regarding problem A: In the interests of transparency, we have released lots of information about (less severe) problem B".

An ideal, indeed.

Yup, a good point indeed.
Moreso the problem of transparency remains an interesting topic. 

Modifié par eroeru, 24 mai 2012 - 09:43 .

[mupp3tz]

Every time I see this thread, I keep reading it as: "Stanley Woo game ?"

[Rockworm503]

we totally need a Stanley Woo game!

[LiquidLogic2020]

Gets fired
"p-please, let me stay... I'll even work for free.."
HA!

[fchopin]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Lol, why are you telling me this now? It's not like it will change the way I Moderate or the way that people post. ARe you perhaps implying that you're going to start making life hard for me in the future? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

No, i meant to say that fans can be very passionate with posts and it is not easy being a moderator.

[The Jackal]

It said he was a volteer mod. I am curious what the average salary is for the mods they pay. I bet it's a good amount. Maybe benefits too.

[RedArmyShogun]

JasonRocker wrote...

It said he was a volteer mod. I am curious what the average salary is for the mods they pay. I bet it's a good amount. Maybe benefits too.

They don't have paid mods. The people who work for BW can be made offical Bioware mods. Its not a job position.

[LPPrince]

Yeah. The mod deficiency here is reaaally bad.

If they were a little more lax with their mod selection process and picked a good amount of mods who will be awake while Biomods/Biodevs are asleep, this forum would be MUCH better off.

[Apollo Starflare]

Just popping into this thread to say thanks for all the hard work Stan, and glad you're still around as a mod. Also want to say that I really respect you making the happiness first decision, takes a lot of guts to do that regardless of whether you have family ties.

[Naughty Bear]

LPPrince wrote...

Yeah. The mod deficiency here is reaaally bad.

If they were a little more lax with their mod selection process and picked a good amount of mods who will be awake while Biomods/Biodevs are asleep, this forum would be MUCH better off.

I'm here. Make me mod and this forum would be a happier place, though i think i would be a lot less merciful than Stan.

I would personally keep a record of those i gave a warning to, if x member has 3 warnings from me in the pass. They can kiss their arse goodbye.

There would be a lot less bias as well, i don't care how popular you are on this forum. Your not immune to the ban hammer,  break the rules and your gone.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 25 mai 2012 - 07:42 .

[The Jackal]

I wish him nothing but the best in his future jobs. However at the same time is anyone else really curious at what exactly was said. I'm trying analyze his article he mentions.

"Oh, I didn't feel that way when I got called into the first of several very important meetings. I was devastated. I thought I'd be there forever."

This could hint that he was taken by surprise. A strong indication that EA/Bioware was the first one to make the move and contact him about the situation. I just wonder what set off the alarms in their head to do this.

Obviously, I don't work for bioware so I don't know the backstage secert behind the cloak deals that happen. At the same time I can't help but be interested. We all love their games and it's just interesting.

[Ninja Stan]

It's funny that people are talking about the mod deficiency like they have absolutely no part in helping to keep the forum civil and running smoothly. If you need an official position and recognition in order to make your community better, then perhaps you're really not fit to have such a position. Remember that Moderators are chosen from people who are already being helpful and friendly, practically doing the job on their own.

JasonRocker said...
This could hint that he was taken by surprise. A strong indication that EA/Bioware was the first one to make the move and contact him about the situation. I just wonder what set off the alarms in their head to do this.

My decrease in motivation and happiness was noticed so we tried to work to fix it. I fixed the outward symptoms of my malaise, but not the underlying problem. And a year or so later, we had our meetings. It was a surprise only because I was still in denial about being unhappy at the job. It wasn't until I started soliciting advice from friends (after that first meeting) that I realized what a great opportunity I had to do something else.

EDIT: And I don't know how many times I need to keep saying this, but nothing bad happened, my department head had nice things to say, and I'm not sore about it. Things are fine.

I am still able to seek work within BioWare or EA, if that's what I want to do in the future. I haven't been blacklisted or shunned, and I only regret not realizing things sooner and hope I didn't negatively affect my project or team too much.

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 26 mai 2012 - 09:05 .

[LPPrince]

Ninja Stan wrote...

It's funny that people are talking about the mod deficiency like they have absolutely no part in helping to keep the forum civil and running smoothly. If you need an official position and recognition in order to make your community better, then perhaps you're really not fit to have such a position. Remember that Moderators are chosen from people who are already being helpful and friendly, practically doing the job on their own.

Yeah, I think it was in another thread(can't remember which, OH YEAH THE BANHAMMER ONE) where I posted something I think is relevent to this-

LPPrince wrote...

A lot more.

There aren't enough mods, and the mod selection process is a strict one.

If you've been suspended before(as I and many others have) or have a not very positive attitude/behavior on here, you're pretty much exempt and likely on a list of forumites who will never become mods.

Not that that should be an issue to us, as I've had friends as mods here and all of them have discussed that the burden is a bit of an issue.

Though it'd be nice if we had more moderators. Clean this boards up a bit. There's a lot of stuff that never gets noticed by the mods because either no one reports it to them directly(via PMs) or they just didn't stumble across it themselves.

We as forum members need to help them do their thing.

Which is true. If everybody helped out, this wouldn't be a problem.

Thing is, not a lot of folks report stuff. And some of the ones who do(me for example) are either not consistent with it, screw up and report things that don't need reporting(I've definitely made that mistake a few times), or have a history that forbids them from every truly moderating.

There are some fine people here who would make great mods if they had the desire to see the boards be a cleaner place.

[The Jackal]

I honestly think that having a ton of mod's here would be a horrible thing. Think about it. I know some threads have no point like the thread "In.." where people just posted random messages. It went on for about a day. It served as a means of enterment and harmless.

If we were go to on the TOR Forums they would shut that down 1.2 seconds and that is frustrating when you see topics closed that quickly. It's as if they are eager and actively looking for threads to shut down.

Personally, I have no interest in being a mod. Dor do I understand people with the desire to become one. But back on topic. I assumed something bad happened because generally when "all sides agree on something"...it's like what happened with Lamar from the Lakers.

Lamar was traded from Lakers to the, Spurs and he played horrible on his first game back. So badly that the company decided to place him on the inactive list and then dropped him. The term "All sides agreed ed" and this is just in my humble anazlye-ist view. Is more of a PR gesture rather then saying "drama" happening backstage.

But I see I am wrong here.

[Rockworm503]

I think people should just lighten up. Sure the Fresh Prince thread we had with the lyrics was spam but it was harmless and fun. At least Party Temple is still here.
The Uncharted 3 boards has an official Meme pictures thread and the devs have posted in it.
Its things like that that make these forums worth it.

[Tazzmission]

JasonRocker wrote...

I honestly think that having a ton of mod's here would be a horrible thing. Think about it. I know some threads have no point like the thread "In.." where people just posted random messages. It went on for about a day. It served as a means of enterment and harmless.

If we were go to on the TOR Forums they would shut that down 1.2 seconds and that is frustrating when you see topics closed that quickly. It's as if they are eager and actively looking for threads to shut down.

Personally, I have no interest in being a mod. Dor do I understand people with the desire to become one. But back on topic. I assumed something bad happened because generally when "all sides agree on something"...it's like what happened with Lamar from the Lakers.

Lamar was traded from Lakers to the, Spurs and he played horrible on his first game back. So badly that the company decided to place him on the inactive list and then dropped him. The term "All sides agreed ed" and this is just in my humble anazlye-ist view. Is more of a PR gesture rather then saying "drama" happening backstage.

But I see I am wrong here.

i dont know man imo with how the last few months have been smd still are  i think we may need some more mods who arent biased ( dealt with one lastnight peacefully)

id be one but i think my history here will keep me from such a thing

[Homebound]

Ninja Stan wrote...

It's funny that people are talking about the mod deficiency like they have absolutely no part in helping to keep the forum civil and running smoothly. If you need an official position and recognition in order to make your community better, then perhaps you're really not fit to have such a position. Remember that Moderators are chosen from people who are already being helpful and friendly, practically doing the job on their own.

JasonRocker said...
This could hint that he was taken by surprise. A strong indication that EA/Bioware was the first one to make the move and contact him about the situation. I just wonder what set off the alarms in their head to do this.

My decrease in motivation and happiness was noticed so we tried to work to fix it. I fixed the outward symptoms of my malaise, but not the underlying problem. And a year or so later, we had our meetings. It was a surprise only because I was still in denial about being unhappy at the job. It wasn't until I started soliciting advice from friends (after that first meeting) that I realized what a great opportunity I had to do something else.

EDIT: And I don't know how many times I need to keep saying this, but nothing bad happened, my department head had nice things to say, and I'm not sore about it. Things are fine.

I am still able to seek work within BioWare or EA, if that's what I want to do in the future. I haven't been blacklisted or shunned, and I only regret not realizing things sooner and hope I didn't negatively affect my project or team too much.

Since you're on your own now, can you tell us, will future bioware games contain 20percent more of a certain 4-legged animal?

[LPPrince]

Hellbound- haaaaa.

Asking Stan about ponies in future games.

/too obvious?

[LPPrince]

scyphozoa wrote...

I can't help but think that community support will never be as effective as having a deeper roster of mods. 

This is wisdom.

I report things that need reporting as I see them. I haven't done it nearly as much as I used to, but that's because of things changing in my personal life, so I've had less time.

Thing is, I sent a BUNCH of stuff to mods almost every day. Crazy how many messages went out.

If every forum member was like that, sure. Things would get settled rather quickly.

But you cannot expect every forum member to do such. You can hope, but you cannot expect.

I've seen TONS of forum violations over the years. Old forums and new. I've reported most, but there's still a lot that slips by.

With more moderators, less things would slip past. We need moderators that are invested in topics- those that engage in discussion to discuss, not just to check and see if everything's peachy.

Not as simple as, "This guy is cool, lets make him a mod" because then you get those who abuse their power.

But honestly- this forum is in definite need of all the help it can get.

I see that happening in one of two ways-

1. Make more official moderators
2. Get more forum members to report rule breaks

I see the first being much easier than the second.

I think a solution to the "abuse of power" thing(if they decide to go with the second option) would be to give a tag to certain diligent forum members.

Not make them mods, but something half-way. A tag that will not only let forum members know that these guys report stuff often, but give the forum member with the tag a boost of confidence.

They wouldn't have the power to actually ban anyone- just the power to flag a user or post for view by a moderator.

Currently, EVERY user has this capability. Its not hard to copy and paste a link to a rule break and send it to a moderator.

But how many actually go through with it?

If some forum members were given a new tag to carry around, perhaps with new functionality that would make reporting to actual mods quicker and easier, the forums could be cleaned up a bit more.

That plus a few more moderators would do wonders for this community.

I think I'd prefer not being a moderator, but just having the capability to report stuff quicker and easier. In such a case, I'd be reporting things at a greater pace than before.

I imagine there would be situations where things that don't need reporting actually do get reported, but that would be why this new tag and functionality would only be given to standout forum members- those who report stuff often and correctly.

At least, I'd throw that idea down on the table. See what the community manager and moderators think about this.

[Ninja Stan]

scyphozoa wrote...

I just want to reply since I was one of the people who mentioned this. I certainly don't want to be a mod, nor do I think I am qualified since I am a bit cynical and impatient. But I do still want to be a member of a heavily moderated community. While I support the idea of members directing mods to inappropriate posts, I know I did this for about a month and stopped. After sending a few dozen PMs to various mods, I started feeling a bit obnoxious and spammy. I still will PM a mod when I see flagrantly offensive posts, but this only happens once every few months. If I PMd mods every time I saw a TOS violation, I would be spamming them daily and thats something I'm not comfortable with. I don't want to sound like I'm just sitting on the sideline casting criticism, but I can't help but think that community support will never be as effective as having a deeper roster of mods. 

I remember receiving reports from you, and really appreciate that. We start to learn people's names that way, and receiving frequent reports from the same people over and over again marks them as helpful peeps that we can rely on. These are the kinds of people whose names pop up whenever we consider new Moderators.

If you feel that you're reporting too many things, why not just limit it to a certain number per day? Or, as you're doing, reporting only the more egregious of offenses? There's nothing wrong with that. If more people were to do that, we would definitely see a difference in the tone of the discussions here. Back in the old forums, we had tons of people helping out and "policing" their own threads and helping out newbies and warning folks about TOS violations, and it was great. Granted, it was a much smaller community, then, and people didn't just take our generosity and participation on the forums for granted.