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[Koffeegirl]

Good Luck in your future endeavors! I always enjoy reading your posts and am glad you will stay as a moderator. Just out of curiosity, does being a Q/A tester affect your enjoyment in playing games? (Not necessarily games you have worked on, but games in general). For example, I work as a nurse, so when I see hospitals portrayed in movies I always notice the flaws or accuracy in the portrayal. (I did enjoy the nurses convos in ME3 though:))

[Ninja Stan]

Over the last 11 years, i have become far more critical in dealing with media. I complain more, I am more strict about what I don't like to see, and I talk about media a lot. I am much more critical about the portrayal of computing and gaming in media, mostly TV and film, and I am far less tolerant of internet jerks. I still love media and games, though.

If all my posts in the BioWare community were turned into an awful collection that wouldn't sell a dozen copies, I'd probably have an entire series of crap. All that writing over 9 or 10 years for only a little online infamy. Ah well, could be worse.

[XqctaX]

Ninja Stan wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

But why are you still here? I'd break ties, move on if it were me.

Then once you work at BioWare for 11 years and leave, you can break ties and move on. I, on the other hand, have chosen to remain a Moderator here.

i think i can relate, i worked 7 years at mercedes. loved it when i started. but after 7 years i felt more like a zombie wishing the day would end frikkin faster. really hated it and worked on autopilot...
But i still love cars and i still love to invent, improve or fix mechanical things
but i dont think id be able to do it as a job again..

anyways i quit and remade myself compleatly in another line of work 3 years ago.
heck i even moved to a new country just to get away even more
im happy and i havent regreted or looked back a single time.

im glad you took the first step to ensure your happiness, and im pretty damn sure you'll find it to
just need to breath some, smell the roses and smile

[slimgrin]

I can't relate. If I left my present job, employed ten years now, I'd wan't a degree of separation - like across the planet. And I say that getting along quite well with my co-workers.

I'd just want to move on.

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 mai 2012 - 12:31 .

[The Jackal]

Ninja Stan wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

But why are you still here? I'd break ties, move on if it were me.

Then once you work at BioWare for 11 years and leave, you can break ties and move on. I, on the other hand, have chosen to remain a Moderator here.

How come?

[Ninja Stan]

JasonRocker wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

But why are you still here? I'd break ties, move on if it were me.

Then once you work at BioWare for 11 years and leave, you can break ties and move on. I, on the other hand, have chosen to remain a Moderator here.

How come?

Because I love the community and still love BioWare games and maintain friendships with some folks at the company. I also like discussing videogames, consumerism, and the game industry with all y'all.

[Karimloo]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Over the last 11 years, i have become far more critical in dealing with media. I complain more, I am more strict about what I don't like to see, and I talk about media a lot. I am much more critical about the portrayal of computing and gaming in media, mostly TV and film, and I am far less tolerant of internet jerks. I still love media and games, though.

If all my posts in the BioWare community were turned into an awful collection that wouldn't sell a dozen copies, I'd probably have an entire series of crap. All that writing over 9 or 10 years for only a little online infamy. Ah well, could be worse.

> far less tolerant of internet jerks
> tolerant of internet jerks
> internet jerks



Are you serious right now?

You fight jerk-ery, with more jerk-ery (excuse the lame word manipulation). You're no saint. Whenever you deem something unacceptable, you pull the warning/ban/endofline card. And the community just blindly either accepts it or faces a ban.

I have no personal issue or vendetta, I'm just being honest. You say what you want, attack peoples intelligences, (I have the messages we shared), and claim this is BioWare's rules, yet you break those rules very passively.

And I'm not going to argue this, it'll be spam and pointless bickering. But this is just my take.

PS. most SPAM threads are made to enlighten the community usually venting an issue or bickering, sometimes the spam is made lightheartedly to make some people laugh and get along, usually joke or stupid threads just for fun. We don't want to break the servers or anything, we love BioWare, we want to help by making this place brighter and not a grim warzone like it has been for months now.

[The Jackal]

Ninja Stan wrote...

JasonRocker wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

But why are you still here? I'd break ties, move on if it were me.

Then once you work at BioWare for 11 years and leave, you can break ties and move on. I, on the other hand, have chosen to remain a Moderator here.

How come?

Because I love the community and still love BioWare games and maintain friendships with some folks at the company. I also like discussing videogames, consumerism, and the game industry with all y'all.

how much was the pay monthly after taxes?

[mr_luga]

Good lord can people stop asking for his salary? sheesh <.< Internet stalkers man

[Ninja Stan]

Karimloo wrote...

Are you serious right now?

You fight jerk-ery, with more jerk-ery (excuse the lame word manipulation). You're no saint. Whenever you deem something unacceptable, you pull the warning/ban/endofline card. And the community just blindly either accepts it or faces a ban.

Judging by the number of PMs I get, no, the community does not blindly accept it. They do, however, understand why I do what I do once I provide my reasons for it (in addition to the reasons provided in any lock message, ban message, or what have you). Lots of people hold this conspiracy theory that we Moderators ban/lock/remove anything that disagrees with us. That has, time and again, proven to be NOT the case.

You are absolutely free to disagree with a Moderator. It's when you start swearing, insulting, or otherwise violating the Site Rules. For example, no one is ever banned just for swearing. They can, however, be banned for swearing in lots of posts, or if the swearing reaches ridiculous levels of frequency and/or creativity, and/or if the swearing is directed at a fellow community member, developer., or Moderator.

PS. most SPAM threads are made to enlighten the community usually venting an issue or bickering, sometimes the spam is made lightheartedly to make some people laugh and get along, usually joke or stupid threads just for fun. We don't want to break the servers or anything, we love BioWare, we want to help by making this place brighter and not a grim warzone like it has been for months now.

There are myriad ways of lightening the tone of the forums without resorting to spam. The Off-Topic forum is full of light-hearted threads, most of which are not spam.

[Firky]

Hi Stan. I only just realised you had gone. Sorry to hear it. Good luck with future endeavors. I've always been really grateful to see you stepping in and moderating this forum. I've been around the Bio-forums since BG days. I occasionally assist in moderating a gaming forum, related to my freelance work, on a *much* smaller scale than this and it is really difficult. I also get subject to abuse from time to time. I've found that people are disproportionately sensitive to criticism directed back towards them, and often find it difficult to get the bigger picture of moderation until they've experienced doing it. Obviously I haven't seen all of your moderation, only a tiny bit, but I'm left with the feeling that you did a great job in a difficult environment. Best of luck! Thanks for all the great games.

Modifié par Firky, 29 mai 2012 - 10:46 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

GL w/ your future endeavours, Stan.

Out of curiosity, why'd you decide to stay on board as a moderator instead of being a dirty pleb like the rest of us? It's not like you need to be a moderator to stay prominent in the community.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 29 mai 2012 - 11:22 .

[LPPrince]

Ninja Stan wrote...

For example, no one is ever banned just for swearing.

As an example, after one of the ME2 promo videos for characters released, I accidentally typed out the F word in exclamation, and was auto-given a 24 hour ban by the system.

I messaged Chris about it, and he immediately removed the suspension, though not before typing, "Gives LPPrince a smack across the head" in a playful tone.

Chris was cool as hell to do that, as he could've just said, "Nah, deal with it."

[AmstradHero]

Karimloo wrote...
You fight jerk-ery, with more jerk-ery (excuse the lame word manipulation). You're no saint. Whenever you deem something unacceptable, you pull the warning/ban/endofline card. And the community just blindly either accepts it or faces a ban.

I have no personal issue or vendetta, I'm just being honest. You say what you want, attack peoples intelligences, (I have the messages we shared), and claim this is BioWare's rules, yet you break those rules very passively.

Wow. Just, wow. You have no vendetta, but you "have the message we shared". Sorry, but your post really does make it sound like you've got an axe to grind.

I, for one, commend Stan on his work in moderating. It's an utterly thankless task, and mostly just earns the ire of people who are unhappy because their post/thread got edited/deleted/closed. In the vast and overwhelming majority of cases I've seen, it's been justified. I imagine there might have been a few along the way that might have been harsh, but hey, moderators are humans too. They make mistakes. Just like forum posters.

Best of luck, Stan.

[Elhanan]

Have an idea for ya; pass along some advice, and offer a switch in positions here:

http://www.gamasutra...m_and_dread.php


What used to be an objective source of info and insight is sorta  becoming apethetic, opinionated, and rather blase. IMO.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Karimloo wrote...

You fight jerk-ery, with more jerk-ery (excuse the lame word manipulation). You're no saint. Whenever you deem something unacceptable, you pull the warning/ban/endofline card. And the community just blindly either accepts it or faces a ban.

One capable Mod shan't use flowers and hugs to fight the jerks, as he know it doesn't work.

Harsh Methods are necessary to bring balance to the forums!

[Naughty Bear]

LPPrince wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

For example, no one is ever banned just for swearing.

As an example, after one of the ME2 promo videos for characters released, I accidentally typed out the F word in exclamation, and was auto-given a 24 hour ban by the system.

I messaged Chris about it, and he immediately removed the suspension, though not before typing, "Gives LPPrince a smack across the head" in a playful tone.

Chris was cool as hell to do that, as he could've just said, "Nah, deal with it."

That must be a one off.

I'm not complimenting you but you are 'popular' around here. I've observed many people and posts on this forum and there are certain members that are well-liked and known., i'm not mentioning them as that would add to their ego.

If that happened to anyone else, they would have the 'deal with it' ending.

[LPPrince]

Naughty Bear wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

For example, no one is ever banned just for swearing.

As an example, after one of the ME2 promo videos for characters released, I accidentally typed out the F word in exclamation, and was auto-given a 24 hour ban by the system.

I messaged Chris about it, and he immediately removed the suspension, though not before typing, "Gives LPPrince a smack across the head" in a playful tone.

Chris was cool as hell to do that, as he could've just said, "Nah, deal with it."

That must be a one off.

As a counter example-

Once I went into a thread and said that I was more attractive than The British Sniper Dude(Big Ben, prior to the name coming about) in the first ME3 teaser(as a joking response, since a lot of folks said he was an attractive character in the CGI trailer).

A British forumite came in thinking I meant all Brits are ugly and proceeded to absolutely rain fire on me and Americans in general.

Chris dealt with him accordingly, and proceeded to chew me out(PM) as well for making the one comment I made.

What I got from Chris then was a warning, a powerful warning of "next time you do anything, you're gone" or something of that nature/along those lines.

To this day I still feel that warning was WAY too strong and completely unwarranted. Sure, I could've been told to be a little careful with the way I word things as someone might misconstrue them, but I was made out to look like I really WAS trying to be racist, when I quite clearly was not.

I was hurt, taken aback, shocked honestly. I by no means tried to hurt anyone(clearly). I called the dude what everyone called him- The British Sniper guy. This was before he got the name "Big Ben" from the fandom.

Someone decided to read my post as racist, and then through a single message from a mod I felt like I was being double teamed. Hard enough to read the British poster's rage-filled response, but then I had to read a rage-filled personal message from a higher up.

Had Chris felt any stronger about it, I'd of probably been permanently banned right there and this post wouldn't exist.

Point being- it doesn't matter who you are, how long you've been here, or what you've done. There's no going easy on someone because of tenure or amount of games registered or anything like that.

If something's going to be said, its going to be said. No matter to whom.

[Naughty Bear]

LPPrince wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

For example, no one is ever banned just for swearing.

As an example, after one of the ME2 promo videos for characters released, I accidentally typed out the F word in exclamation, and was auto-given a 24 hour ban by the system.

I messaged Chris about it, and he immediately removed the suspension, though not before typing, "Gives LPPrince a smack across the head" in a playful tone.

Chris was cool as hell to do that, as he could've just said, "Nah, deal with it."

That must be a one off.

As a counter example-

Once I went into a thread and said that I was more attractive than The British Sniper Dude(Big Ben, prior to the name coming about) in the first ME3 teaser(as a joking response, since a lot of folks said he was an attractive character in the CGI trailer).

A British forumite came in thinking I meant all Brits are ugly and proceeded to absolutely rain fire on me and Americans in general.

Chris dealt with him accordingly, and proceeded to chew me out(PM) as well for making the one comment I made.

What I got from Chris then was a warning, a powerful warning of "next time you do anything, you're gone" or something of that nature/along those lines.

To this day I still feel that warning was WAY too strong and completely unwarranted. Sure, I could've been told to be a little careful with the way I word things as someone might misconstrue them, but I was made out to look like I really WAS trying to be racist, when I quite clearly was not.

I was hurt, taken aback, shocked honestly. I by no means tried to hurt anyone(clearly). I called the dude what everyone called him- The British Sniper guy. This was before he got the name "Big Ben" from the fandom.

Someone decided to read my post as racist, and then through a single message from a mod I felt like I was being double teamed. Hard enough to read the British poster's rage-filled response, but then I had to read a rage-filled personal message from a higher up.

Had Chris felt any stronger about it, I'd of probably been permanently banned right there and this post wouldn't exist.

Point being- it doesn't matter who you are, how long you've been here, or what you've done. There's no going easy on someone because of tenure or amount of games registered or anything like that.

If something's going to be said, its going to be said. No matter to whom.

I believe you, but i do also believe that there are biased views within the mods.

Some  members here i think should of been banned a long time ago but still are here.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 29 mai 2012 - 06:18 .

[Ninja Stan]

Naughty Bear wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

As an example, after one of the ME2 promo videos for characters released, I accidentally typed out the F word in exclamation, and was auto-given a 24 hour ban by the system.

I messaged Chris about it, and he immediately removed the suspension, though not before typing, "Gives LPPrince a smack across the head" in a playful tone.

Chris was cool as hell to do that, as he could've just said, "Nah, deal with it."

That must be a one off.

If a mistake has occurred, and someone is banned accidentally, we have the ability to fix it. If it is brought to our attention. I have fielded many PMs regarding the bans I've put on community members, but only a few that I believe were honest mistakes in banning. For those folks, I ask the powers that be to lift the ban, but in those cases it's just a 24-hour ban and mosthave no trouble waiting it out if the forum administrators don't get to it in time.

I'm not complimenting you but you are 'popular' around here. I've observed many people and posts on this forum and there are certain members that are well-liked and known., i'm not mentioning them as that would add to their ego.

If that happened to anyone else, they would have the 'deal with it' ending.

Being well known by the Moderators is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, yes, we tend to know your tone and your posting habits so we'll cut you a break if you slip up. But on the other hand, we know your tone and posting habits and are far less forgiving when you violate the rules. It is assumed you have been with us a while and know better, so are violating the rules deliberately.

Don't think that we don't send warnings to "well known" community members when they violate the rules, the same way we would do for non "well known" people.

[Naughty Bear]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

As an example, after one of the ME2 promo videos for characters released, I accidentally typed out the F word in exclamation, and was auto-given a 24 hour ban by the system.

I messaged Chris about it, and he immediately removed the suspension, though not before typing, "Gives LPPrince a smack across the head" in a playful tone.

Chris was cool as hell to do that, as he could've just said, "Nah, deal with it."

That must be a one off.

If a mistake has occurred, and someone is banned accidentally, we have the ability to fix it. If it is brought to our attention. I have fielded many PMs regarding the bans I've put on community members, but only a few that I believe were honest mistakes in banning. For those folks, I ask the powers that be to lift the ban, but in those cases it's just a 24-hour ban and mosthave no trouble waiting it out if the forum administrators don't get to it in time.

I'm not complimenting you but you are 'popular' around here. I've observed many people and posts on this forum and there are certain members that are well-liked and known., i'm not mentioning them as that would add to their ego.

If that happened to anyone else, they would have the 'deal with it' ending.

Being well known by the Moderators is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, yes, we tend to know your tone and your posting habits so we'll cut you a break if you slip up. But on the other hand, we know your tone and posting habits and are far less forgiving when you violate the rules. It is assumed you have been with us a while and know better, so are violating the rules deliberately.

Don't think that we don't send warnings to "well known" community members when they violate the rules, the same way we would do for non "well known" people.

Recently? No. I have recieved no warnings this year. Only time i communicated with a mod was asking Chris to lock my thread.

What rules am i violating deliberately?

My last warning was  on the 2011-06-05 which i honestely should of been banned instead for making a disturbing and violent comment.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 29 mai 2012 - 06:27 .

[Volus Warlord]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Being well known by the Moderators is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, yes, we tend to know your tone and your posting habits so we'll cut you a break if you slip up. But on the other hand, we know your tone and posting habits and are far less forgiving when you violate the rules. It is assumed you have been with us a while and know better, so are violating the rules deliberately.

So then the question is.. 

How came we become well known without being well known?

[LPPrince]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Recently? No. I have recieved no warnings this year. Only time i communicated with a mod was asking Chris to lock my thread.

What rules am i violating deliberately?

My last warning was  on the 2011-06-05 which i honestely should of been banned instead for making a disturbing and violent comment.

He didn't mean you specifically. He means "you" as in forum members in general.

Modifié par LPPrince, 29 mai 2012 - 06:24 .

[Ninja Stan]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Being well known by the Moderators is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, yes, we tend to know your tone and your posting habits so we'll cut you a break if you slip up. But on the other hand, we know your tone and posting habits and are far less forgiving when you violate the rules. It is assumed you have been with us a while and know better, so are violating the rules deliberately.

So then the question is.. 

How came we become well known without being well known?

The same way you become well known anywhere: be visible and helpful on the forums, don't be a jerkface to newbies, argue maturely with those who have a different opinion than you, and generally don't believe that anything you don't like or disagree with is a personal affront.

Whether you subscribe to Wil Wheaton's "don't be a dick" motto or my "be excellent to each other" motto, either will serve you in good stead here in the forums and in life.

P.S. And yes, Naughty Bear, I meant the generic "you," as in "all y'all in the forums," not you specifically. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.

[Naughty Bear]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Being well known by the Moderators is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, yes, we tend to know your tone and your posting habits so we'll cut you a break if you slip up. But on the other hand, we know your tone and posting habits and are far less forgiving when you violate the rules. It is assumed you have been with us a while and know better, so are violating the rules deliberately.

So then the question is.. 

How came we become well known without being well known?

P.S. And yes, Naughty Bear, I meant the generic "you," as in "all y'all in the forums," not you specifically. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.

No need to apologise, you did nothing wrong.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 29 mai 2012 - 06:42 .