I know that this ending is just the last in a long line of BioWare failures, from the likes of DA2 and the TORtanic, but is it possible that the failure of BioWare Edmontons biggest franchise has finally broken the company. Members of the old guard like Karpyshyn are leaving, and there are massive lay offs, including Stanley Woo.
The epilogue DLC could fix the ending, but will it do anything to help BioWare's downward trend both financially and quality wise?
Will the ending lead to the death of BioWare
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 03:45
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I hope not, I would love for Bioware to make a comeback. Although after DA2 TOR and ME3, if EA folds the studio up, they definitely will have earned it, and I will feel no pity for them.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 03:46
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To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 03:47
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given the fact that they are unrepentant about their lies, about the day one DLC (with no budget disclosure) and that they veiledly call us "simpletons" for failing to understand their "art" then IF this was their last call before being dissolved by EA then I would not even care. I would only feel for the good souls working there who had no influence on this disaster (like Brenon Holmes....he remains my hero)
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 03:51
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I'm willing to give EC a chance when it comes about but we all have our own opinions when it comes to the end of Bioware. Some say ME3's ending, the EC or DA3.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 03:52
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Unholyknight800 wrote...
That's a bit dramatic.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 03:54
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I hope not because I still really like their games. Dragon age 2 and mass effect 3 may not be liked by a majority here, but I liked them a lot. They were still better games than anything out in my opinion because they offered a followable storyline, had really good stories, and let me pick certain options in the game.
Witcher will take forever to make a new game, same for bethesda, and a lot of other games out there were not nearly as fun to play in my opinion as the dragonage and mass effect series.
This may be my minority opinion but bioware is still making games that are a lot better written and much more engaging to playthrough than 95% of all the other games out there today.
Witcher will take forever to make a new game, same for bethesda, and a lot of other games out there were not nearly as fun to play in my opinion as the dragonage and mass effect series.
This may be my minority opinion but bioware is still making games that are a lot better written and much more engaging to playthrough than 95% of all the other games out there today.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 03:54
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No.
That'll happen after Dragon Age 3.
That'll happen after Dragon Age 3.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 03:55
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No, the ending is just a symptom of a much larger problem. Pretty much every company EA takes over gets shut down eventually.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 03:57
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with all the red numbers EA has had the last years i hope they go to hell "bankrupt" and bioware is set free
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:00
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Of course not.
Sorry, but Mass Effect 3, whilst likely below their targets or expectations, sold pretty well.
Enough to keep BioWare viable for the time-being.
The future doesn't maybe look so positive for them. I'd guess DLC and pre-orders are going to take a hit, but it's not going to be their death-warrant.
Especially when they release their new FPS.
Sorry, but Mass Effect 3, whilst likely below their targets or expectations, sold pretty well.
Enough to keep BioWare viable for the time-being.
The future doesn't maybe look so positive for them. I'd guess DLC and pre-orders are going to take a hit, but it's not going to be their death-warrant.
Especially when they release their new FPS.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:02
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No.
Although part of me thinks it's only a matter of time with EA pulling the strings.
Although part of me thinks it's only a matter of time with EA pulling the strings.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:02
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That's just stupid. New gamers are bred everyday; all "lost" will be replaced--that is the cycle.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:03
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luzburg wrote...
with all the red numbers EA has had the last years i hope they go to hell "bankrupt" and bioware is set free
At this point EA's death would lead to BioWare's death, unless BioWare got brought out, but honestly in that scenario I think the Mass Effect rights would just be brought up and the company itself left to die
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:04
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I hope so. The sooner they crash and burn the stronger the message will be to others. For the sake of long-term game development and innovation, the best thing for the fans of the gaming industry would be for Bioware to simply cease to exist, and to serve as a lesson for other developers. Bioware did some great things in the past, but the best thing for the future of gaming is a complete collapse of Bioware.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:05
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Hardly. It is, perhaps, a sign of the death of the Bioware that we know and love. The wider the audience they have, the less likely it is that we'll get games made with as much love and mature themes as in the past. Especially if they believe that the fans' biggest issue with the ending was that it wasn't sunshine and daisies, over its terrible plot holes and general feel. 'Ooooh, sad piano music is definitely the best accompaniment to a victory!'
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:07
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Gamer Xtreme wrote...
luzburg wrote...
with all the red numbers EA has had the last years i hope they go to hell "bankrupt" and bioware is set free
At this point EA's death would lead to BioWare's death, unless BioWare got brought out, but honestly in that scenario I think the Mass Effect rights would just be brought up and the company itself left to die
EA is not going to go bankrupt.
The "red" numbers going down is also misleading in a sense. This year alone, they had high revenues, but low income, meaning they made a lot of figurative money, but only made a small amount of real money for their efforts.
Basically, EA is investing heavily in other projects. They spent 80 million alone this year on next generation technology, they spent a lot of money promoting games and buying out some companies, their partnership program and getting Origins up and running were expanses. So basically, all EA has to do is curtail spending, and income will go up again from its lower returns that we have seen this year. So yeah, it's considered a loss, but EA still turned a profit unlike say, Sony, THQ and Nintendo, which didn't earn any income this year at all.
As for BioWare, I know BioWare has suffered a few layoffs right now, but considering they are their OWN DIVISION of EA, with four-five studios focused on only RPGs, RTSs, MMOs and other games in those genres, I dobut they are dying any time soon.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:08
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SWTOR is the only failure that will harm Bioware. It's the nature of an MMO, but the MMO community generally doesn't look beyond WoW for anything so that tells you all you need to know. And really downsizing after an MMO is common. More so when it fails as badly as SWTOR did.Gamer Xtreme wrote...
I know that this ending is just the last in a long line of BioWare failures, from the likes of DA2 and the TORtanic, but is it possible that the failure of BioWare Edmontons biggest franchise has finally broken the company. Members of the old guard like Karpyshyn are leaving, and there are massive lay offs, including Stanley Woo.
The epilogue DLC could fix the ending, but will it do anything to help BioWare's downward trend both financially and quality wise?
Old men do retire, which is his employment status, " I retired in February of 2012 to focus more on my own projects, and to spend more time golfing." Drew Karpyshyn has no signifigance to Bioware at this point in time.
Ah, yes, Biowares financial troubles. As long as EA doens't die they will be fine. ME3 has sold more then ME2 if I remember correctly without the inclusion of digital sales.
But ulitmatly,
this.The Angry One wrote...
To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:09
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I don't think the ME3 Endings alone will lead to the death of Bioware but it is a significant part of the problem. If this kind of trend continues, there will be problems later on.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:11
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The Angry One wrote...
To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.
^this. While I hope not, I'm pretty certain I will be disappointed with the EC since it does not address the issues I have with end and, I will just stop buying BioWare games. BioWare no longer controls their destiny and they wouldn't be the first studio that EA has planted in the ground.
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Posté 23 mai 2012 - 04:14
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Panthro90 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.
^this. While I hope not, I'm pretty certain I will be disappointed with the EC since it does not address the issues I have with end and will just stop buying BioWare games. BioWare no longer controls their destiny and they wouldn't be the first studio that EA has planted in the ground.
*sigh*
BioWare didn't join up with EA like that. Their parent was bought out by EA because it decided to open options due to lack of funds to actually pay the bills. VG Holdings Corp was on the verge of bankruptcy, which is a rumor that sadly no one can confirm because VG Holdings doesnt exist anymore and no one paid attention to the sale when it happened.
So really, your cycle will never happen unless BioWare is shut down by EA due to restructuring or something of that nature, and that will only happen because of hubris by both the developers and the fans.
