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[Lookout1390]

DA series turned to garbage? Check
TOR MMO is losing subs at an alarming rate? Check
Good size portion of the ME fanbase was let down with ME3? Check

Will they die immediately? No

Are things in a slow descent? You betcha.

[ArthurVon]

EA was created to destroy the other companies every 50k years, preventing those to be killed by other companies.

[xsdob]

Another down with bioware thread, another popular topic and op who everyone likes for posting it. How predictable.

'Become Popular, **** On Bioware and hope something bad happens to them.'. Its a new governing rule for the BSN, along with spiderman being the king of derails.

Modifié par xsdob, 23 mai 2012 - 04:22 .

[LinksOcarina]

xsdob wrote...

Another down with bioware thread, another popular topic and op who everyone likes for posting it. How predictable.

Become popular, ship on bioware . Its a new governing rule for the BSN, along with spiderman being the king of derails.

At least the spiderman thing is funny.

The speculative opinions on here without context are somewhat tragic sometimes. 

[Atakuma]

Bioware has apparently been dying for the better part of a decade. Someone should tell them that they're doing it wrong.

[mumwaldee369]

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

Meanwhile back at the ranch, EA's stock is about to slip below $14 a share. 

[Shadesofsiknas]

There is definitely a downward trend in the quality of the games.I dount it will cause the studio to be closed down if the EC fails, but a lot will be riding on BWs next game. They need a huge hit or they may be in hot water.

[Gamer Xtreme]

xsdob wrote...

Another down with bioware thread, another popular topic and op who everyone likes for posting it. How predictable.

'Become Popular, **** On Bioware and hope something bad happens to them.'. Its a new governing rule for the BSN, along with spiderman being the king of derails.

My intention was never becooming popular, it's a genuine question considering the massive layoffs and string of financial and critical failures.

[LinksOcarina]

Opsrbest wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Panthro90 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.

^this.  While I hope not,  I'm pretty certain I will be disappointed with the EC since it does not address the issues I have with end and will just stop buying BioWare games. BioWare no longer controls their destiny and they wouldn't be the first studio that EA has planted in the ground.

*sigh*

BioWare didn't join up with EA like that. Their parent was bought out by EA because it decided to open options due to lack of funds to actually pay the bills. VG Holdings Corp was on the verge of bankruptcy, which is a rumor that sadly no one can confirm because VG Holdings doesnt exist anymore and no one paid attention to the sale when it happened.

So really, your cycle will never happen unless BioWare is shut down by EA due to restructuring or something of that nature, and that will only happen because of hubris by both the developers and the fans. 

*sigh*

"The next few years saw a number of changes in BioWare's corporate status. In November 2005, it was announced that BioWare and Pandemic Studios (itself founded by former Activision employees) would be joining forces, with private equity fund Elevation Partners
investing in the partnership. On October 11, 2007, however, it was
announced that this new partnership (organized as VG Holding Corp) had
been bought by Electronic Arts.[7] BioWare therefore became a unit of EA, but retained its own branding."

Elevation Partners is an investment firm, and has nothing to do with this because they invested over $300 million into VG Holding Corp.in 2005, as you said. They weren't owned by them, it was a partnership program that lended them money. And that $300 million, went to games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Mercenaries 2, The Sabouteur, and Full Spectrum Warrior Ten Hammers, which they were all struggling to pay off, or were not complete by the time the sale between EA and VG occured. 

And if you are presuming that BioWare exists in name only, well, considering most of the visible leadership, writers, developers, producers and so forth were carried over in the sale, still work at BioWare and now has major investments as EA head honchos, id say you are wrong. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 23 mai 2012 - 04:29 .

[NUM13ER]

I hope not. Though I do believe it's become a turning point for EA/BioWare. The disappointment of Dragon Age II. The losses of subscribers SWTOR has incurred. The debacle over the Mass Effect 3 endings is for many fans simply the final straw rather than a singular blip on the radar.

Does EA learn from these errors? Do they change their attitude toward BioWare and how they handle their games or do they continue along the more of the same unproductive practices? Harsh deadlines, shoehorned micro-transactions and short-term success versus long term profits. Or they can take this the moment as a chance to make a sustainted effort to restore the faith of of fans.

I hope so. They are business men who like money and their recent actions cost them making more of it. EA bought BioWare because they made fantastic games and a lot of money doing it. They just need to stop fixing what wasn't broken and let them do what they do best.

Sadly I doubt it. EA isn't that smart. Please prove me wrong.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 23 mai 2012 - 04:32 .

[Kosmiker]

I rather have them overcome this bad moment and bring us good stuff again then seeing them go down any further.

It's true that two of their best franchises have been somehow damaged (kotor & ME) but I can't really tell to what extent.

I'm positive we'll still have some good stuff this year. EC included.

[christrek1982]

xsdob wrote...

I hope not because I still really like their games. Dragon age 2 and mass effect 3 may not be liked by a majority here, but I liked them a lot. They were still better games than anything out in my opinion because they offered a followable storyline, had really good stories, and let me pick certain options in the game.

Witcher will take forever to make a new game, same for bethesda, and a lot of other games out there were not nearly as fun to play in my opinion as the dragonage and mass effect series.

This may be my minority opinion but bioware is still making games that are a lot better written and much more engaging to playthrough than 95% of all the other games out there today.

I agree for the most part even with the short comeing of ME3 and it god awfull ending and DA2 whitch had some grate DLC by the way. the two franchieses as a whole still beat most game out there.  If they can sort the ending out and give back player choice an closure them mass effect will IMO be the best franchise to date.

as for BW closeing I hope not as they are still one of the best in regards to story telling but please EA let them take there time on the next game (you know more bees with hony and all that)

[xsdob]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Another down with bioware thread, another popular topic and op who everyone likes for posting it. How predictable.

'Become Popular, **** On Bioware and hope something bad happens to them.'. Its a new governing rule for the BSN, along with spiderman being the king of derails.

My intention was never becooming popular, it's a genuine question considering the massive layoffs and string of financial and critical failures.

You may have had good intentions but now your topic is becoming highly active and the debate is now people agreeing that bioware should die v those who don't, and the majority are in your favor.

I was outlying a symptom, not what your post was striving for but what would happen because of your topic, you will be liked by many here.

I already made my legitimate post before this one, this one was a sad observation I had.

[LinksOcarina]

Opsrbest wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Panthro90 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.

^this.  While I hope not,  I'm pretty certain I will be disappointed with the EC since it does not address the issues I have with end and will just stop buying BioWare games. BioWare no longer controls their destiny and they wouldn't be the first studio that EA has planted in the ground.

*sigh*

BioWare didn't join up with EA like that. Their parent was bought out by EA because it decided to open options due to lack of funds to actually pay the bills. VG Holdings Corp was on the verge of bankruptcy, which is a rumor that sadly no one can confirm because VG Holdings doesnt exist anymore and no one paid attention to the sale when it happened.

So really, your cycle will never happen unless BioWare is shut down by EA due to restructuring or something of that nature, and that will only happen because of hubris by both the developers and the fans. 

*sigh*

"The next few years saw a number of changes in BioWare's corporate status. In November 2005, it was announced that BioWare and Pandemic Studios (itself founded by former Activision employees) would be joining forces, with private equity fund Elevation Partners
investing in the partnership. On October 11, 2007, however, it was
announced that this new partnership (organized as VG Holding Corp) had
been bought by Electronic Arts.[7] BioWare therefore became a unit of EA, but retained its own branding."

The only reason we call Bioware, Bioware is because they got to keep their name. It's the same reason we as gamers see a difference.  

Elevation Partners is an investment firm, and has nothing to do with this because they invested over $300 million into VG Holding Corp.in 2005, as you said. They weren't owned by them, it was a partnership program that lended them money. And that $300 million, went to games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Mercenaries 2, The Sabouteur, and Full Spectrum Warrior Ten Hammers, which they were all struggling to pay off, or were not complete by the time the sale between EA and VG occured. 

And if you are presuming that BioWare exists in name only, well, considering most of the visible leadership, writers, developers, producers and so forth were carried over in the sale, still work at BioWare and now has major investments as EA head honchos, id say you are wrong. 

This is fun.

Paragraph 7 under the Company history header. You may also want to read the 10th paragraph as well.

Two things.

1, Wikipedia is not the best source in the world.

2. You are re-hashing what you said above, and again, it shows no proof of what you are trying to say, or even better, fails to show a point to what you are saying. 

So I might as well just ask, what are you trying to say, and do you have proof of it besides an anecdode from an edible encylopedia?  You have hard proof of whatever you are trying to say here, because so far all I see is conjecture.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 23 mai 2012 - 04:45 .

[eddieoctane]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

luzburg wrote...

with all the red numbers EA has had the last years i hope they go to hell "bankrupt" and bioware is set free

At this point EA's death would lead to BioWare's death, unless BioWare got brought out, but honestly in that scenario I think the Mass Effect rights would just be brought up and the company itself left to die

Given the "art" comments and EA's lack of using that term, I think taking the franchise away from Casey might be a good thing.

[Gruntburner]

No.

And by the way, since when did 3 examples (one of which is extremely debatable) mean a "long line of Bioware failures?"

[Cimeas]

You know what's absolutely ridiculous? You all say you'll never buy another BW product again, but as soon as you see that first 9/10 review for DA3 you'll head over to Origin/Steam/Gamestop/Amazon and download it at full price straight away! No point even denying it to be honest, you love a good RPG, and if BW makes another one, you won't be able to resist.

So no, BW, EA's most valuable brand after The Sims and perhaps Madden, isn't going anywhere.

[eddieoctane]

ArthurVon wrote...

EA was created to destroy the other companies every 50k years weeks, preventing those to be killed by other companies.

Fixed that for you.  We all now it's more like an annual thing.

[Persephone]

No.

The "fandom" might be though. (/sarcasm off)

Bioware will be fine. The melodrama here doesn't change that whatsoever.

[comrade gando]

The Angry One wrote...

To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.

I agree, EA is a cancer. sooner or later it will liquify bioware just as it did with the many other studios it bought out. bioware's death is inevitable now, I only hope they can at least finish mass effect properly before it's too late.

[normandy1]

while i don't think bioware will be going anywere. i do think they are worried about there next prodgect. be recieved well. there going to have to pull out all the stops and then some. due to the negative opnion of da2,and ME3. and the utter failure of swtor. that should have been kotor3 to tye up lose endings from 1and 2 cross platform

[normandy1]

while i don't think bioware will be going anywere. i do think they are worried about there next prodgect. be recieved well. there going to have to pull out all the stops and then some. due to the negative opnion of da2,and ME3. and the utter failure of swtor. that should have been kotor3 to tye up lose endings from 1and 2 cross platform