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[Jamie9]

I think I'm beginning to lose interest in their products. They're descending in quality, yes. Will they cease to exist? Maybe. Only if their next game(s) are also terrible though.

And they DO have the critics on their side, which is a big help for them.

If BioWare went under, the good programmers, concept artists etc. would find jobs elsewhere anyway. If you're good at your job, work finds you. Unfortunately, that wouldn't be everyone, but that's capitalism. It has it's perks and it's cons.

[ValendianKnight]

Dramatic much? No, it will not mean the death of anything. Maybe a few people will stop buying their products but in the end of the day, they'll be a-okay.

[MzAdventure]

The Angry One wrote...

To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.

This

[crimzontearz]

you know what would have been a GREAT show of both balls and integrity (yes goddamn integrity)? If Bioware just voluntarily dissolved after the buyout to form a new studio (at that point I believe the ME IP was still belonged to MS...and otherwise) and just allowed MS to take them over. You cannot tell me they did not know what EA does to studios like Bioware

[LinksOcarina]

Opsrbest wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...
This is fun.

Paragraph 7 under the Company history header. You may also want to read the 10th paragraph as well.

Two things.

1, Wikipedia is not the best source in the world.

2. You are re-hashing what you said above, and again, it shows no proof of what you are trying to say, or even better, fails to show a point to what you are saying. 

So I might as well just ask, what are you trying to say, and do you have proof of it besides an anecdode from an edible encylopedia?  You have hard proof of whatever you are trying to say here, because so far all I see is conjecture.

That EA owns Bioware.

And, well, you already have the citation that say's EA let Bioare keep it's branding so.

If your going to argue with someone it might help to understand that: 1) You aren't being argued with.
2) You shouldn't read everything as the world vs you. 3) Knowing who owns what is important.

But if your point that EA owns BioWare, then I guess I fail to see the relevance of it here because EA owning BioWare has little to do with them failing. As I said earlier, the only way BioWare will go anywhere at this point is if EA dissolves them, which they won't do any time soon, or EA goes under, which is not going to happen.

Or perhaps you didn't read that part in what I said earlier in this thread? 

So your point is somewhat unecessary since I know that already, and it is meaningless to the discussion. You are right though, we were kind of debating over nothing at this point since we are both in agreeance. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 23 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[wafflez]

I'm hoping they get better and start making great games again, but at this point I doubt it.

[Panthro90]

johnxtreeme wrote...

You know what's absolutely ridiculous? You all say you'll never buy another BW product again, but as soon as you see that first 9/10 review for DA3 you'll head over to Origin/Steam/Gamestop/Amazon and download it at full price straight away! No point even denying it to be honest, you love a good RPG, and if BW makes another one, you won't be able to resist.

So no, BW, EA's most valuable brand after The Sims and perhaps Madden, isn't going anywhere.

No. What I will do is come to here, to the DA3 forums and read what the real fans have to say about it.  Then I will decide. 

Look just because I think this is the beginning of the end doesn't mean I hope it is the beginning of the end. I would love to see BW hit it out of the park with DA3.  But I just think the 2 yr cycle that EA has them on is not enough time to build the quality RPGs the fans have come to expect.

[Atakuma]

crimzontearz wrote...

you know what would have been a GREAT show of both balls and integrity (yes goddamn integrity)? If Bioware just voluntarily dissolved after the buyout to form a new studio (at that point I believe the ME IP was still belonged to MS...and otherwise) and just allowed MS to take them over. You cannot tell me they did not know what EA does to studios like Bioware

EA has done nothing but expand Bioware since the buyout. EA has a lot invested in Bioware's success, the same could not be said of any of the other studios that got dissolved.

[Persephone]

victoriakm wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.

This

This has been said for YEARS.

ME3 outsold its predecessors. So...no.

[Persephone]

Panthro90 wrote...

johnxtreeme wrote...

You know what's absolutely ridiculous? You all say you'll never buy another BW product again, but as soon as you see that first 9/10 review for DA3 you'll head over to Origin/Steam/Gamestop/Amazon and download it at full price straight away! No point even denying it to be honest, you love a good RPG, and if BW makes another one, you won't be able to resist.

So no, BW, EA's most valuable brand after The Sims and perhaps Madden, isn't going anywhere.

No. What I will do is come to here, to the DA3 forums and read what the real fans have to say about it.  Then I will decide. 

Look just because I think this is the beginning of the end doesn't mean I hope it is the beginning of the end. I would love to see BW hit it out of the park with DA3.  But I just think the 2 yr cycle that EA has them on is not enough time to build the quality RPGs the fans have come to expect.

I could never base a possible buy on this snakepit, sorry. :innocent:

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

victoriakm wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.

This

This has been said for YEARS.

ME3 outsold its predecessors. So...no.

ME3 sold on the backs of it's predecessors.
Also, their death will take time. It always does.

Do you think BioWare will come out fine and dandy?
I'm sure people thought the same of Westwood, Pandemic, Origin Systems and Maxis.

[Woodstock-TC]

The Angry One wrote...

To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.

this.

Before EA

• bioware used to need money to create games they believed in. (pretty much like the corwd funding games nowaday)

after EA

• EA(thus BW) needs games to make money.

thats the difference. and quoting here this great vid:  

recent articles and research in the industry (gaming (nintendo) but also general entertaining and even cars (vw  during lopez cycle) noticed the hard way that focussing purely on revenue disregarding the core philisophies of their former work (not talking about marketing bla bla now) and alienating their core customers didnt payed off in the long run.
The company/product lost profile and in the long run started to be replacable.

ps. and no this has nothing to do with outselling a predecessor. you can release ME as angry bird variant  make a pure casual gamer friendly game, multiscreen apps (ah we got them already), .. but lose regarding recurring revenue in from your franchise and future products the years to come as the backbone was lost.

Modifié par Woodstock-TC, 23 mai 2012 - 05:48 .

[NS Wizdum]

Just ask Kodak or Sony how their transition from "Brand Name Quality" to "just another product" went.

[MzAdventure]

I dunno - every new game seems to feel a little less "signature" to me. Isn't it possible that they are keeping the "brand" while slowly squeezing the life out of all that made the studio special?

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

victoriakm wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

To be honest BioWare signed their own death warrant when they joined EA.
It's only a matter of time. The cycle is inevitable.

This

This has been said for YEARS.

ME3 outsold its predecessors. So...no.

ME3 sold on the backs of it's predecessors.
Also, their death will take time. It always does.

Do you think BioWare will come out fine and dandy?
I'm sure people thought the same of Westwood, Pandemic, Origin Systems and Maxis.

Bioware has been coming out fine and dandy for years. ME3 is IMO miles better than its now glorified predecessors.

You WANTING their death to happen because you were disappointed does not change that one bit.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Absolutely not, however it has set them down the path nearly all companies EA purchases, they will be consumed and discarded, they have a few more games in them but they will be depleted soon, hopefully most of the BW team in charge of ME jumps ship and start their own company.

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

Bioware has been coming out fine and dandy for years. ME3 is IMO miles better than its now glorified predecessors.

I'm really curious as to how shallower gameplay with less variety, less dialog choice and a weaker story constitutes "miles better".

You WANTING their death to happen because you were disappointed does not change that one bit.

I want no such thing. I am merely stating facts based on precidence.

[SirCroft]

To claim every developer under Electronic Arts eventually dies is exaggerating a lot. I know it has been the fate of some, but EA has a ****load of studios and not all of them ends.
Also, Maxis is still alive and kicking with a new SimCity game coming out next year.

[Panthro90]

Persephone wrote...

Panthro90 wrote...

johnxtreeme wrote...

You know what's absolutely ridiculous? You all say you'll never buy another BW product again, but as soon as you see that first 9/10 review for DA3 you'll head over to Origin/Steam/Gamestop/Amazon and download it at full price straight away! No point even denying it to be honest, you love a good RPG, and if BW makes another one, you won't be able to resist.

So no, BW, EA's most valuable brand after The Sims and perhaps Madden, isn't going anywhere.

No. What I will do is come to here, to the DA3 forums and read what the real fans have to say about it.  Then I will decide. 

Look just because I think this is the beginning of the end doesn't mean I hope it is the beginning of the end. I would love to see BW hit it out of the park with DA3.  But I just think the 2 yr cycle that EA has them on is not enough time to build the quality RPGs the fans have come to expect.

I could never base a possible buy on this snakepit, sorry. :innocent:

But you would trust the reviews of companies that have their reporters embeded in the game?

[xsdob]

victoriakm wrote...

I dunno - every new game seems to feel a little less "signature" to me. Isn't it possible that they are keeping the "brand" while slowly squeezing the life out of all that made the studio special?

Could be an echo chamber effect and subconcious peer presure. A few people make a big scene about it, others have a similar but now 100% agreement with those guys starting agreeing with them and their opinion slowly becomes the same as the exteremes.

Soon you go down the line with every fan making all their opinions uniformed whether they had believed that or not. It's a weird phenomina that ususally occurs in politics where ads try to build an assosication in the voters mind and an image through voter base talking.

That's my opinion anyway, talk loud enough and do it often enough and soon everyone will be agreeing with you whether they did so because they agree or because you said it a lot.

[Oldbones2]

Probably not, or at least not right away.

If their next game tanks .... maybe.


Most likely BW will REALLY get their **** together and produce an epic DA 3.

Or if they just make it mediocre AGAIN, then they'll probably be restructured and become unrecognizable.

[Atakuma]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Bioware has been coming out fine and dandy for years. ME3 is IMO miles better than its now glorified predecessors.

I'm really curious as to how shallower gameplay with less variety, less dialog choice and a weaker story constitutes "miles better".

You WANTING their death to happen because you were disappointed does not change that one bit.

I want no such thing. I am merely stating facts based on precidence.

Wrong, you are stating speculation based on precidence.

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Bioware has been coming out fine and dandy for years. ME3 is IMO miles better than its now glorified predecessors.

I'm really curious as to how shallower gameplay with less variety, less dialog choice and a weaker story constitutes "miles better".

You WANTING their death to happen because you were disappointed does not change that one bit.

I want no such thing. I am merely stating facts based on precidence.

The gameplay was actually richer than ME2's. I do not mind less Investigate options given that ME3 isn't about investigating anymore, it's about survival. And the story was the strongest one yet, endings or not.

Precedents you mean? Facts? I'll believe it when these doom and gloom prophesies actually happen.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Panthro90 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Panthro90 wrote...

johnxtreeme wrote...

You know what's absolutely ridiculous? You all say you'll never buy another BW product again, but as soon as you see that first 9/10 review for DA3 you'll head over to Origin/Steam/Gamestop/Amazon and download it at full price straight away! No point even denying it to be honest, you love a good RPG, and if BW makes another one, you won't be able to resist.

So no, BW, EA's most valuable brand after The Sims and perhaps Madden, isn't going anywhere.

No. What I will do is come to here, to the DA3 forums and read what the real fans have to say about it.  Then I will decide. 

Look just because I think this is the beginning of the end doesn't mean I hope it is the beginning of the end. I would love to see BW hit it out of the park with DA3.  But I just think the 2 yr cycle that EA has them on is not enough time to build the quality RPGs the fans have come to expect.

I could never base a possible buy on this snakepit, sorry. :innocent:

But you would trust the reviews of companies that have their reporters embeded in the game?

Absolutely, being a blind fanboy ensures quality and never being disappointed by a game.



Oh wait...

[Persephone]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Panthro90 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Panthro90 wrote...

johnxtreeme wrote...

You know what's absolutely ridiculous? You all say you'll never buy another BW product again, but as soon as you see that first 9/10 review for DA3 you'll head over to Origin/Steam/Gamestop/Amazon and download it at full price straight away! No point even denying it to be honest, you love a good RPG, and if BW makes another one, you won't be able to resist.

So no, BW, EA's most valuable brand after The Sims and perhaps Madden, isn't going anywhere.

No. What I will do is come to here, to the DA3 forums and read what the real fans have to say about it.  Then I will decide. 

Look just because I think this is the beginning of the end doesn't mean I hope it is the beginning of the end. I would love to see BW hit it out of the park with DA3.  But I just think the 2 yr cycle that EA has them on is not enough time to build the quality RPGs the fans have come to expect.

I could never base a possible buy on this snakepit, sorry. :innocent:

But you would trust the reviews of companies that have their reporters embeded in the game?

Absolutely, being a blind fanboy ensures quality and never being disappointed by a game.



Oh wait...

Oh wait, this fanGIRL doesn't trust ANY reviews. Be it IGN (The only company that had a reporter embedded in ME3) or any other.

I've been disappointed by aspects of Bioware games before, ME3 is no exception. I simply fail to believe in extremes.

Neither fan nor professional reviews are reliable to me. End of story.