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[Atakuma]

jpraelster93 wrote...

No I hope ea folds and then bioware can go back to being owned by microsoft

First off, Microsoft never owned Bioware. Secondly, If EA folds, then that means Bioware folds as well.

Modifié par Atakuma, 23 mai 2012 - 07:51 .

[Karolus_V]

The old Bioware  died the day EA:devil:  bought them, thats for sure, and its what happens to all developers they buy (what happened to Westwood Studios  and their franchises being especially hurtful). So if you are asking if Bioware would disappear as a brand if the EC fails? I think not, not for the EC. The thing that can bring the label down is SWTOR, if it fails. In other words, if SWTOR succeds, any other bad launch they do will be buried under a pile of money.

P.D:Actually, the last game Westwood Studios  produced as Westwood, was a innovative space MMORPG, if anyone is curious : http://en.wikipedia..../Earth_&_Beyond

Modifié par Karolus_V, 23 mai 2012 - 07:57 .

[Atakuma]

Dominus Solanum wrote...

"We want CoD's audience."

The cracks started to show in the final DA:O DLC. I've realized now that the quality has steadily been going downhill since. That would be the real reason for any decline.

You shouldn't put quotations around something no one said.

[KotorEffect3]

I bet 10 years ago this same exact thread was playing out

[robarcool]

The ending isn't the only thing. The problem is that people dissatisfied with the ending are now pointing at other conspicuous flaws like too much auto dialogue and only 2 dialogue choices rather than 3. So this is creating a snowball effect. Moreover, Biwoare hasn't been very frank in their acknowledgement of fans' dissatisfaction. So Bioware has one last shot to fix the game in the form of EC and some other story DLC and if they mess it up, they will lose a lot of their fanbase if they already haven't. I guess EA mostly bought Bioware for the SWOTOR MMO to have a cash cow. Now with that apparently failing, the main reason to keep Bioware is gone. So I will say the situation is pretty bleak for them. If they get wiped out, it will be a lesson for videogame companies to not be so greedy so as to mess up the game they are developing.

Modifié par robarcool, 23 mai 2012 - 07:58 .

[Gamer Xtreme]

http://www.nowgamer....s_audience.html

quoted the wrong guy sorry

Modifié par Gamer Xtreme, 23 mai 2012 - 08:00 .

[SNascimento]

No, ME3 sold very well... probably better than ME1 and ME2 combined.

[Atakuma]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

http://www.nowgamer....s_audience.html

quoted the wrong guy sorry

Did you even read the article, or just the headline?

[N7soldier]

This won't lead to bioware's "death" as the OP puts it but it will force gamers to take pause when the next bioware game comes out. Bioware's game use to be day one for me but now it will be a wait and see especially if multiplayer is involved. Honestly, it wasn't just the ending people were mad at. there was the javik DLC(an important lore character being sold as DLC-not cool), the multiplayer which no one asked for, the journal entries that do not update, female shepard's getting screwed over in the romance department with thane and jacob(my sister refused to finish ME3 because of what bioware did to thane btw), and finally, the auto dialogue and the lack of neutral choices when talking to people. The ending was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Gamer Xtreme]

SNascimento wrote...

No, ME3 sold very well... probably better than ME1 and ME2 combined.

It sold slightly less than ME2 with a higher development budget and much more marketing. Off the record EA are disapointed with it. It didn't bomb or anything but BioWare aren't making as much as Bethesda for instance

[aksoileau]

Stanley Woo got fired? Not surprised considering how rude and arrogant he was in his posts. Plus Q/A did terrible with ME3.

BioWare will be around, but I think they are breaking the old customer service rules of keep your customer happy or someone else will, and it's easier to keep a customer than to get a new one. They currently are suffering in those two basic customer service practices.

[Atakuma]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

No, ME3 sold very well... probably better than ME1 and ME2 combined.

It sold slightly less than ME2 with a higher development budget and much more marketing. Off the record EA are disapointed with it. It didn't bomb or anything but BioWare aren't making as much as Bethesda for instance

I'd like to see where you are getting your information from.

[The Sacred One]

They might not go down anytime soon, but they have lost a lot of loyal customers that's for sure.

[AtreiyaN7]

*headdesks over another stupid thread*

Sometimes I should really resist clicking on the links to threads that my friends post in.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 23 mai 2012 - 08:33 .

[Mev186]

Their death ? no. But this will hurt them. They won't have the same reputation they once did. They will limp forward, for now.

[Cant Planet]

Well, "BioWare" will stay alive as long as the logo is still considered a selling point to stick on a box. The company itself doesn't exist anymore as a self-directing entity.

Usually, when an independent company is bought by a large corporation, their employees can be categorized into three groups (a generalization, obviously, but the principle is pretty reliable):
- the higher-up employees who understand that a major change in the workplace culture is inevitable, and start planning their exits;
- the higher-up employees who understand that a major change is inevitable, but see positive career opportunities for themselves within that, and stick around; and
- the rest of the employees, who are usually paid more for their jobs than the corporation would normally be willing to pay for those positions, and who will either be "phased out" over the following few years and replaced by cheaper people, or who will be "promoted" to positions with minimal raises so that their effective cost is still reduced.

I don't know what pre-EA BioWare pay was like, or what their system of advancement and employee autonomy was like. But it won't be like that now, that's pretty certain, and it will keep moving away from that toward the EA model until very little of what was initially distinctive about BioWare remains.

At that point, the job-seeker's impetus to work there (correct or not) will have shifted further away from "I want to work at BioWare because they seem like a great day-to-day workplace" (See also: Valve), and towards "I want to work there because they are a huge company that will look good on my resume, and besides, they're always hiring".

When you change the culture and keep the name, you erase two things at once: the way of doing things that made the independent company attractive in the first place, and the reputation they had built. Does that sound like BioWare's story?

[NS Wizdum]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

NS Wizdum wrote...

Saying that you cannot change the ending because of artistic integrity, and that you will release a expansion pack that explains the ending, is telling your fans that they are not intelligent enough to understand your art. 

Saying they were doing an expanded ending is not even remotely the same as saying they're doing a 'small words' version of the ending for dumb fans. It could just mean they're adding in things they couldn't properly cover in the original ending.

You might want to wait until it actually comes out and see whats in it before deciding if your intelligence is being insulted or not. Or you can let yourself be offended by things they didn't actually say. Your choice.

I'm not offended by any of this. I was just trying to explain the reasoning behind this thread.

Things are not offensive, "being offended" is a personal problem.

[Klijpope]

Hmmm, ME3 is looking to become Bioware's biggest selling game ever by some margin*, and this heralds the death of Bioware? This is peculiar logic.

*comparing units shipped, ME3 is +50% on ME2 (Xbox360) over the first 10 weeks, and no precipitous drop off in comparison to ME2 sales over the same period. After 10 weeks ME3+100% on ME2 PC total-since-release! After 3 months on sale, almost beating DA:O's total tally after 2 and a bit years (Xbox).

Modifié par Klijpope, 23 mai 2012 - 09:25 .

[NS Wizdum]

Klijpope wrote...

Hmmm, ME3 is looking to become Bioware's biggest selling game ever by some margin*, and this heralds the death of Bioware? This is peculiar logic.

*comparing units shipped, ME3 is +50% on ME2 (Xbox360), and +100% on PC over the first 10 weeks, and no precipitous drop off in comparison to ME2 sales over the same period. After 3 months on sale, almost beating DA:O's total tally after 2 and a bit years (Xbox).

MySpace was the largest social network ever
Enron was the most profitable company in America
RealTimeWorlds had multiple hit properties
Battlefield 2 was the default modern warfare FPS

Going with quantity over quality has never worked out for a video game. As soon as someone else does it better and cheaper, you're screwed. Bioware picked up a lot of new wallets, but those wallets wont stick around once COD:BO:2 comes out.

Also, you can't count PC sales, because they dont include digital downloads.

Modifié par NS Wizdum, 23 mai 2012 - 09:28 .

[Baa Baa]

No, but it will worsen their reputation somewhat. Unless they please many fans with the EC. Which I pray to god they do.

[Klijpope]

NS Wizdum wrote...
MySpace was the largest social network ever
Enron was the most profitable company in America
RealTimeWorlds had multiple hit properties
Battlefield 2 was the default modern warfare FPS

Going with quantity over quality has never worked out for a video game. As soon as someone else does it better and cheaper, you're screwed. Bioware picked up a lot of new wallets, but those wallets wont stick around once COD:BO:2 comes out.

Also, you can't count PC sales, because they dont include digital downloads.

And folk on BSN does not = total ME/Bioware fanbase.

Is the ending of ME3 an issue? Yes. Is it the end of Bioware? No.

What's going on with all the revenge fantasies...?

[Alien1099]

SNascimento wrote...

No, ME3 sold very well... probably better than ME1 and ME2 combined.

And why did Call of Duty Black Ops sell well? Because of MW2, not because it was a good game. ME3 actually is a good game that is tainted by its plot holes, unanswered questions, and a contrived ending to an epic three game series, which ruins the enjoymen tof the series as a whole. I do not plan to purchase another Bioware product unless they FIX what they literally broke, that being ME, and Dragon Age.

[Risselda]

Ouch...been gone a LONG time from the forums, came back to see if anything was new.

Woo is gone? That upsets me

[Loopeeeeeee]

Unholyknight800 wrote...

That's a bit dramatic.

it's not. it's truth.

valve and cd projekt don't annoy their customers. they treat em good and proper. bioware could learn a thing or two and buck up. i personally won't be buying bioware games anymore till i see a sincere effort that they're back to standard and no more dlc bollocks either. hail cd projekt