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[Cyne]

So Hale and Meer are coming back then, that's a relief. I guess star boy will return too, and we'll get our chance to question the little twerp.

[TMA LIVE]

Meer on the ending. lol

[dreman9999]

Abraham_uk wrote...

I can't believe I understood some of that article.

That language is similiar to French. Notice I said similiar. Not the same. Just similiar.

...Latin based language.

[DeinonSlayer]

Any word on Sroka, Hillis, or Barr (Wrex) yet?

[InvaderXX]

Finally some PARAGON level news on the extended cut....

[Red5392]

RukiaKuchki wrote...

Not everyone tweets about every little aspect of their lives...and maybe some VAs are keeping quiet under instruction to give players a few surprises with the EC DLC? Just a thought.

I agree.  Just because Meer and Hale haven't said they recorded anything new doesn't mean they didn't. The voice actor for Ashley didn't say she recorded anything new and if Kaiden is dead, she has to be there. 
Hopefully this means the dlc is finished or almost finished and is soon to release. 

Here's to hoping that the EC is good

[DeinonSlayer]

Red5392 wrote...
 
[...] Hopefully this means the dlc is finished or almost finished and is soon to release. [...]

I certainly hope not. The extended cut is make-or-break. I'm willing to wait however long it takes for them to do it right. I'd rather they didn't cut corners/characters just to hit a deadline - there's a lot of people we still haven't heard from. Then there's certification, etc. I know people are getting impatient, but trust me - the longer it takes to finish, the better we can expect it to be.

[da mighty rEAper]

indoctrination theory, ToT theres still some hope left..............................................................

[Nanuzsh]

Is Ali Hillis doing any work in the EC. Somebody twitter her.

[Getorex]

da mighty rEAper wrote...

indoctrination theory, ToT theres still some hope left..............................................................

Not at all.  No hope for that. 

Why?

Simple.  IT was NEVER what Bioware intended.  We KNOW this.  They ended the game the way they did and the INTENTION was to leave it at that.  They never had any intention on doing an EC at all but were forced to because of the tidal wave of anger.  THEN they announced that the ending would NOT be changed, just expounded upon to help people get "closure" (GAH I HATE that term, especially as they apply it).  Their intention is to "clarify" the stupid, rotten ending AS IS, not change it or add to it.  

See, for indoctrination to be incorporated and used, they would HAVE to add more playable content and could not go with mere cutscene.  Also, the ONLY ending choice to which such a playable content would apply would be the RED ending because, according to the indoctrination partisans, Green and Blue are FAIL.  And indeed they are by indoctrination supposition (I refuse to use the word "theory" in this context because it is grossly inappropriate use of the term).  So, you would HAVE to choose Red ending for a playable indoc EC to apply and then you would have to play through to the "real" ending and resolution.  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.  You are ONLY getting cutscene with the extra dialog explaining the stupid.  That's it.  Nothing more.  No indoc, no new ending, just stupid explained more.  Woohoo.

No correction to "Synthetics always turn on their creators" (NO they do NOT).  No correction of "I created synthetics to kill organics before their OWN synthetics will do the job...BUT I will use any synthetics the organics have created to help me kill off organics!" (think...the geth only RELUCTANTLY turned on the quarians IN SELF DEFENSE ONLY and did NOT want to wipe them out and actually stopped fighting them when they won.  The ONLY geth that continued fighting against the quarians or any other organics were those that either A) attacked by organics, thus fully justified self-defense, or the geth were FORCED to attack organics under the sway of reapers (the "heretics", remember?), who were supposedly created to PREVENT synthetics from wiping out organics...by wiping out organics first).  Sh*t, my head hurts.

Modifié par Getorex, 25 mai 2012 - 02:43 .

[lrrose]

Getorex, the plotholes you mentioned in the last paragraph can easily be explained by the Catalyst being a hypocrite.

[Getorex]

Cyne wrote...

So Hale and Meer are coming back then, that's a relief. I guess star boy will return too, and we'll get our chance to question the little twerp.

No.  YOU wont get a chance to do anything but passively sit there and view cutscene.  The EC (with dialog!) will NOT be player-driven dialog.  No dialog wheel.  It will all be passive cutscene, nothing more.  No improvement, just expansion on what is already steaming there in a big smelly pile.

[Getorex]

lrrose wrote...

Getorex, the plotholes you mentioned in the last paragraph can easily be explained by the Catalyst being a hypocrite.

Not really.  It CAN be explained by the star turd being a full-on moron or retard though.  Hypocrisy cannot explain the "synthetics always turn on their creators".  There IS hypocrisy in using otherwise PEACEFUL synthetics to kill organics (the geth) while all the while trying to argue that you are trying to 'help' organic life by blowing it to sh(t.  

You can also get somewhere if star turd is not just a moron, but a damned liar too, and not a very good one (his lies are TRANSPARENT).

Plus, simply having a pronouncement that, "Well, turns out the catalyst is a hypocrite" is not ver satisfying and doesn't make the Red, Blue, Green endings go away.

Modifié par Getorex, 25 mai 2012 - 03:14 .

[dmonorato]

Why all the excitement over VA. It's only to be used to narrate cinematic's. They have stated numerous times no new ending just clarification on the existing ending. On that note even though Mythbusters proved you can actually polish a turd, it still smells like a turd.

[abaris]

dmonorato wrote...

Why all the excitement over VA.

Because people like grabbing at straws.

[Getorex]

The good thing about this is now I have more of a feel for how long it will be before the EC is released so I don't need to log into this place for a good long time. Maybe in another 2-3 weeks to take a quick peek, then bail again, etc. See, once the EC is pinched out of Bioware's bunghole, we can all go over to Youtube and take a look-see and learn how smelly and runny it is without having to actually download it, install it, start the game, restart an old saved game near the end...all just to view pointless cutscene.

Later. Argue in circles over how many turians can fit on the head of a pin everyone!

[Volus Warlord]

 Anything for more Chobot.. 

[Huntress]

Han Shot First wrote...

Not necessarily.

Since when it is a requirement in any work of fiction that the hero has to survive? Whether or not an ending is good or bad is not linked in any way to whether or not the hero survives it.

I don't know since when but:
1)the hero always married the princess, 2) the hero always go back home to live in peace with his family and friends, 3) the hero always looking up for new adventures to save the day, do any of this ends sound any belts?

Yeah they were fantastic ending in the old days, today ends are full of pessimism, the hero always have to die, the best hero has to be  suicidal, a mass murdered or the hero Love interest ends up starting a family with the hero friends.. really? thats so f..ed up!.

"There is a hero in all of us someone once said".. I don't want to be a hero if am going to end up jumping  of a window! 
^thats what comes to mind. Why save anyone if after that they expect me to kill myself? fc.k them!

Modifié par Huntress, 25 mai 2012 - 03:56 .

[Squallypo]

Huntress wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Not necessarily.

Since when it is a requirement in any work of fiction that the hero has to survive? Whether or not an ending is good or bad is not linked in any way to whether or not the hero survives it.

I don't know since when but:
1)the hero always married the princess, 2) the hero always go back home to live in peace with his family and friends, 3) the hero always looking up for new adventures to save the day, do any of this ends sound any belts?

Yeah they were fantastic ending in the old days, today ends are full of pessimism, the hero always have to die, the best hero has to be  suicidal, a mass murdered or the hero Love interest ends up starting a family with the hero friends.. really? thats so f..ed up!.

"There is a hero in all of us someone once said".. I don't want to be a hero if am going to end up jumping  of a window! < thats what comes to mind. Why save anyone if after that they expect me to kill myself? fc.k them!

a Hero is someone that is willing to what it takes to save others, but at some point i do agree with you, not entirely though.
i do has to say that im dissapointed with the view of  "what an ending should be" they all are depressive and its like Asking us to turn into depressive persons. 

[abaris]

Huntress wrote...

"There is a hero in all of us someone once said".. I don't want to be a hero if am going to end up jumping  of a window! 
^thats what comes to mind. Why save anyone if after that they expect me to kill myself? fc.k them!

And that's one of the fundamental differences between books, movies and games. In books and movies an ending like that can make for a teary gripping moment. In games it mostly leads to frustration.

[AlanC9]

Getorex wrote...
Simple.  IT was NEVER what Bioware intended.  We KNOW this.  They ended the game the way they did and the INTENTION was to leave it at that.  They never had any intention on doing an EC at all but were forced to because of the tidal wave of anger.  THEN they announced that the ending would NOT be changed, just expounded upon to help people get "closure" (GAH I HATE that term, especially as they apply it).  Their intention is to "clarify" the stupid, rotten ending AS IS, not change it or add to it.  

One of the rare times we agree. Anyone who thinks IT was Bio's original intent is deluding himself. And while IT would have maybe been workable as an outright retcon, I don't see how a satisfying IT ending could be built into the DLC unless it was a lot larger and more complicated than what we've been led to expect will be coming.

[AlanC9]

abaris wrote...

Huntress wrote...

"There is a hero in all of us someone once said".. I don't want to be a hero if am going to end up jumping  of a window! 
^thats what comes to mind. Why save anyone if after that they expect me to kill myself? fc.k them!

And that's one of the fundamental differences between books, movies and games. In books and movies an ending like that can make for a teary gripping moment. In games it mostly leads to frustration.

This sounds to me like the problem's with gamers, not the medium. Or rather, some gamers, since I don't experience that frustration.

[Whale]

Huntress wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Not necessarily.

Since when it is a requirement in any work of fiction that the hero has to survive? Whether or not an ending is good or bad is not linked in any way to whether or not the hero survives it.

I don't know since when but:
1)the hero always married the princess, 2) the hero always go back home to live in peace with his family and friends, 3) the hero always looking up for new adventures to save the day, do any of this ends sound any belts?

Yeah they were fantastic ending in the old days, today ends are full of pessimism, the hero always have to die, the best hero has to be  suicidal, a mass murdered or the hero Love interest ends up starting a family with the hero friends.. really? thats so f..ed up!.

"There is a hero in all of us someone once said".. I don't want to be a hero if am going to end up jumping  of a window! 
^thats what comes to mind. Why save anyone if after that they expect me to kill myself? fc.k them!

Dude[tte], if you think the endings in the "old days" were all sunshine and bunnies, you should read the Epic of Gilgamesh. Or Beowulf. Or the Iliad. Or Greek theatre. BTW I would love a Beowulf ending. Shepard, shaped and broken by war, seeks a last enemy to fight because peace? I don't know what to do with peace.

[Grimwick]

Han Shot First wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

Hale and Meer won't be returning. We're to assume that Shepard is dead.

Source?

if this for real then failure to the max :3

Not necessarily.

Since when it is a requirement in any work of fiction that the hero has to survive? Whether or not an ending is good or bad is not linked in any way to whether or not the hero survives it.

And since when was it a requirement for the hero to die? For some reason we were forced into it...

No new Shepard lines indicates no new SC dialogue, or no 'helpful' new SC dialogue. It indicates a lot of stuff actually, none of which give me any hope.

[abaris]

Whale wrote...

Dude[tte], if you think the endings in the "old days" were all sunshine and bunnies, you should read the Epic of Gilgamesh. Or Beowulf. Or the Iliad. Or Greek theatre. BTW I would love a Beowulf ending. Shepard, shaped and broken by war, seeks a last enemy to fight because peace? I don't know what to do with peace.

Once again, books, epics vs interactive media.

The fundamental difference being that drama means taking the passenger seat, whilst interactive media puts you at the helm. It's fine and dandy if you don't care, but don't expect everyone else to feel the same way. Many people only play games to shape their story, even if it's within the constraints developers put up.

And let's be perfectly frank: Mass Effects story isn't even worthy of licking the boots of the Illiad or the Gilgamesh epic. If someone's out to simply experience great drama, there are millions of better opportunities than any video game writer could come up on their best days.