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[Omair]

I agree that Liara was often forcefed to players in ME3, but I'm not so sure she was the default/canon/preferred LI. I would argue that it was actually Ashley -- aside from being on all the marketing material (launch trailers for ME1,ME2, ME3, cg trailers for ME1 & ME3, ME1 cover), she has the injury & subsequent hospital scenes, the sister in need scenes, and the date & intoxication scenes.

To my knowledge, Liara had the time capsule & parting "gift"  storylines before the final battle. Granted, Ashley doesn't say much aboard the Normandy, but I wonder if that has more to do with her being killable/booted off the ship if the player chooses. And of course the deleted scene with Shepard regarding the afterlife was removed.

[Zandercode]

Yeah I agree I feel Ash is really more of the marketing "right" choice, but I feel Liara is more of the developer's personal favorite. Mostly just because she is there across all three games no matter what.

Also, gah I wish they would bring back the Afterlife discussion scene with Ash! It would add so much to both Ash's character (who seems very absent right now compared to the others, even Kaidan got more Normandy dialog I believe) as well as to Shepard's character and making the whole Lazarus Project plotline feel a little more utilized in the story and character development.

[Gaurthurt]

anyone know is ther answer for this question in me books?

[shepskisaac]

She has the biggest romance arc of all LIs, present in all 3 games, she's the only 1 to be actually nude in ME3 sex scene with her own unique body model with unique skin texture, she's heavily pushed for LI in Genesis comic etc etc.

Yep, you can't hide she's Bioware's favourite romance

[Edolix]

Dunno about her being the canon LI, but she's clearly BioWare's favourite.

Not to mention her being Mac Walters waifu.

[Kajan451]

IsaacShep wrote...

She has the biggest romance arc of all LIs, present in all 3 games, she's the only 1 to be actually nude in ME3 sex scene with her own unique body model with unique skin texture, she's heavily pushed for LI in Genesis comic etc etc.

Yep, you can't hide she's Bioware's favourite romance

Liaras Body was most likely still laying around since ME1. Updating a 3d Object for a new engine isn't as much work as doing it from scratch. As for the "the only one that is nude" aspect.. well, she is the only one that had a nude body already available (and i wouldn't say her being shown Nude adds anything to the whole thing - You obviously have the internet, so you should have much more easier access to nude women, including aliens, mutants, supernatural creatures)

And i couldn't say she pushs herself more on Shepard as does about every other Love Interest. Her "love" for Shepard has to be strong, otherwise she wouldn't have been the one to search his corpse, join forces with the shadowbroker and cerberus to get you "revived".. that alone has to make a little more obsessive than the rest.

As you guys might recall, the rest had given up on Shepard. That doesn't turn her into the LI of choice, it just makes her more invested in Shepard. Some of her remarks show that she loves and cares for him. And seriously... its a bit odd when people with a more aggressive or obsessive personality simply back off when told no. They certainly don't do in reallife. Even the passive and shy ones usually tend to try being availble or have a hard time surpressing their feelings after being told no.

Liara only approached me once about her feelings for my Shepard, despite them having been a LI. After that she didn't push herself onto me, she was just a heartbroken woman that still cared alot.


But yeah... i admit.. out of the whole LI pool, she is probably the only LI that isn't a robot when it comes to being told "no".

[AlanC9]

Zandercode wrote...
Also, gah I wish they would bring back the Afterlife discussion scene with Ash!

Bring back? I take it you're talking about something that got cut?

[mutermath]

there was a deleted scene?

[Shajar]

Liara is writers pet and "preferred" for new comers

[DWH1982]

Liara is clearly Bioware's favorite.

It's a shame, too, because it has actually made me resent her character to a degree. I used to like Liara, and want to keep liking Liara. I could handle it if it just seemed that her character seems to have unresolved feelings for my canon Shepard, who has been clear with her since ME1 that he's interested in Ash. What I can't handle is how the game seems to favor Liara, and seems to want to push her on me itself, even though I've never been interested.

Modifié par DWH1982, 23 mai 2012 - 06:29 .

[Mandalore313]

She can never die.
Even in the deleted scene, you don't actually see her dead.

[DWH1982]

Yeah, how many other squad members can't die at all?

Just James, I think - and he hasn't had many opportunities, seeing as how he was only introduced in ME3.

EDIT: You know, I should make clear, I don't want to bash Liara as a character. Again, I really want to like her.

It's just that the favorable way in which her character is implimented, starting with ME2, really irritates me.

Modifié par DWH1982, 23 mai 2012 - 06:37 .

[Girsheliz]

Edolix wrote...

Dunno about her being the canon LI, but she's clearly BioWare's favourite.

Not to mention her being Mac Walters waifu.

At least  Walters wasn't the one who wrote her,  I am so glad.  




Dont know about Canon LI but she surely is Canon friend of shepard no matter what.

[DWH1982]

Girsheliz wrote...

 Dont know about Canon LI but she surely is Canon friend of shepard no matter what.

Which also irritates people. Becuase, you know, there were some Shepards that always treated her like crap. Now suddenly in ME3 they're railroaded into treating her like an old friend.

She always was a friend to my canon Shepard, but he picks up an awful lot of "I'd really like to be more than friends" vibes from her. He just ignores them, I guess.

The whole "unrequited love" thing Liara seems to have going on in my playthroughs actually wouldn't bother me, if only my actual LI got as much screen time and attention as Liara.

I mean, on one of the later missions in the game, where you lose something important (trying to avoid spoilers) I imagine my Shepard would have been devestated. Ash just takes his word that he's "okay," though, without pressing the matter any further - which seems out of character. Meanwhile, Shepard goes off and has a talk with Liara.

[Girsheliz]

 

Mandalore313 wrote...

She can never die.
Even in the deleted scene, you don't actually see her dead.

There was  Virmire style situation there,  where she could die, but was scrapped, because of  "From Ashes" DLC, that DLC requiers Liara,   and every DLC must be  available at any time  before final battle no matter what.   That may also explain why there are no more forced scenes with her after Thessia.

Modifié par Girsheliz, 23 mai 2012 - 06:45 .

[DWH1982]

I'm glad they scrapped the Virmire scene, actually. It's been done before, doing it again would just feel forced.

If you're going to force a character death, at least let me choose from the entire squad, like with the suicide mission. Limiting me to "squadmember A" versus "squadmember B" doesn't feel natural.

Modifié par DWH1982, 23 mai 2012 - 07:01 .

[Mykel54]

Ashley can die at the very first game, is absent in the second, and makes a crappy comeback in the third (ME1 ashley was miles better). Also, you don´t change the writer for a canon romance.

Liara on the other hand cannot die in any game, has a romance scene in all games, has a very important plot role in the 1st and 3rd game (and still a support role in the 2nd). She is also paragon (remember canon shep is paragon), so it makes sense for the girl of the canon shep to share his/her alignment.

By definition a canon LI cannot die, because otherwise the story of their romance would break before the actual ending of the story. Therefore the canon LI must survive until the end, where shepard/LI may die, but as part of the conclusion of the story.

Ashley had a certain "canon" status back in ME1, with the whole Eden Prime thing, but as soon as ME2 rolled out, bioware showed his favoritism for Liara and made Ashley secondary.

[Girsheliz]

DWH1982 wrote...

Girsheliz wrote...

 Dont know about Canon LI but she surely is Canon friend of shepard no matter what.

Which also irritates people. Becuase, you know, there were some Shepards that always treated her like crap. Now suddenly in ME3 they're railroaded into treating her like an old friend.

Her being forced as Shepard's friend isn't the only thing, we are forced into many other stuff, like that dreams, Joker and Anderson being Shepard's friend, (I actually was angry to see Joker in flashbacks) we were loosing control over our Shepards gradually, first in ME 2, and now even more in ME 3. Too much auto dialog, less choices in dialog wheel etc, and you are also forced to be friend with Garrus if you don't avoid him(I mean you can't be professional with him). I personally don't avoid anyone, even kept Diana Allers on the Normandy.


Have you seen genesis comic? it completely disregards that there was possibility to play which mission you wanted first, and also  Shepard praises Liara.  That's another sign.

[Mr.House]

Not this thread again....

Liara is not canon, that would be saying Morrigan and Alistair are canon Lis in DAO because they had more content then Leli/Zev. Bioware has always picked favs and picked certain LIst hat get more screentime/content. For the ME series it's Liara(romance), Joker(most content in the series)) and Garrus(fan fav thus bioware went out of their way to give him alot of content).

[MegaBadExample]

For me, Ashley is my canon romance. So Liara can sit and pout at her monitor while watching them both get hot and sweaty, because that's who he picked from the get-go. Nothing will change it, no matter how many times Liara is waiting outside my Shepard's door, or tripping on his heels.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 23 mai 2012 - 07:13 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I wouldn't call anyone a "canon" LI, but her scenes definitely seem to be written with her romance in mind. It's a lot better in ME3 than it was in the previous two, actually. Talking to her in ME3 as a friend is easily possible, compared to ME1 where if you chose the "I'm not interested" dialogue a ninjamance happened.

I'm curious, does anyone know who Liara's writers were? She was so different in each game, it'll be interesting to see whose version I liked best.

[Girsheliz]

Mykel54 wrote...


Liara on the other hand cannot die in any game, has a romance scene in all games, has a very important plot role in the 1st and 3rd game (and still a support role in the 2nd). She is also paragon (remember canon shep is paragon), so it makes sense for the girl of the canon shep to share his/her alignment.

By definition a canon LI cannot die, because otherwise the story of their romance would break before the actual ending of the story. Therefore the canon LI must survive until the end, where shepard/LI may die, but as part of the conclusion of the story.

As I said before, Liara was equiped with Plot armor, because of marketing reasons not because she is Canon LI, because they wanted  to cut some content(where Liara is requiered) from full game and made it into DLC,  and every DLC must be available  anytime before final battle.    

I agree that she got lots of screentime, though don't understand why she had nothing to say  after some  missions,  when Garrus always had comments  even after side missions.

[Girsheliz]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I wouldn't call anyone a "canon" LI, but her scenes definitely seem to be written with her romance in mind. It's a lot better in ME3 than it was in the previous two, actually. Talking to her in ME3 as a friend is easily possible, compared to ME1 where if you chose the "I'm not interested" dialogue a ninjamance happened.

I'm curious, does anyone know who Liara's writers were? She was so different in each game, it'll be interesting to see whose version I liked best.

 ninjamance was bug in ME 1  when you choose renegade.

I think Liara was written by Drew Karpyshyn  in ME 1, then by  Walters in comics and then  in LOTSB and ME 3 by  Sylvia Feketekuty(she also wrote Samara and 1/2 of Legion in ME 3),  scenes of Liara confrontation with Javik, and Aethyta scene were written by Patrick Weekes and John Dombrow if I remember right,  I think Patrick also wrote part of LOTSB.

Modifié par Girsheliz, 23 mai 2012 - 07:33 .

[XxI EpiK IxX]

Mandalore313 wrote...

She can never die.
Even in the deleted scene, you don't actually see her dead.

I saw her dead body when I beat the game with not high enough EMS