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[The Sarendoctrinator]

Girsheliz wrote...

 ninjamance was bug in ME 1  when you choose renegade.

I think Liara was written by Drew Karpyshyn  in ME 1, then by  Walters in comics and then  in LOTSB and ME 3 by  Sylvia Feketekuty,  scenes of her confrontation with Javik, and Aethyta scene was written by Patrick Weekes and John Dombrow if I remember right,  I think Patrick also wrote part of LOTSB.

Yeah, I know about the bug now. Just wish I knew before it happened... It would have saved an extra four months I spent on that perfect playthrough that now has to be redone.

That's interesting, thanks. ME3 has my favorite version of her personality by far. I haven't played any of the DLCs though.

[MegaBadExample]

Girsheliz wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...


Liara on the other hand cannot die in any game, has a romance scene in all games, has a very important plot role in the 1st and 3rd game (and still a support role in the 2nd). She is also paragon (remember canon shep is paragon), so it makes sense for the girl of the canon shep to share his/her alignment.

By definition a canon LI cannot die, because otherwise the story of their romance would break before the actual ending of the story. Therefore the canon LI must survive until the end, where shepard/LI may die, but as part of the conclusion of the story.

As I said before, Liara was equiped with Plot armor, because of marketing reasons not because she is Canon LI, because they wanted  to cut some content(where Liara is requiered) from full game and made it into DLC,  and every DLC must be available  anytime before final battle.    

I agree that she got lots of screentime, though don't understand why she had nothing to say  after some  missions,  when Garrus always had comments  even after side missions.

Well then again, Ashley had A LOT less to say after missions than her.

[Girsheliz]

Well then again, Ashley had A LOT less to say after missions than her.

That's true and it really anoyed me,  I hear Kaidan had much more content, than Ashley, but I never had him in ME 3.

[MegaBadExample]

Girsheliz wrote...

Well then again, Ashley had A LOT less to say after missions than her.

That's true and it really anoyed me,  I hear Kaidan had much more content, than Ashley, but I never had him in ME 3.

Kaidan did. I played through with both, faithful and romanced. Ashley said very little. It seemed with Kaidan you always got an extra dialogue branch or something... extra.

You've just got to compare their romantic goodbyes in length, if you need proof.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 23 mai 2012 - 07:50 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Girsheliz wrote...

Well then again, Ashley had A LOT less to say after missions than her.

That's true and it really anoyed me,  I hear Kaidan had much more content, than Ashley, but I never had him in ME 3.

I haven't imported a playthrough with Ashley yet to compare, but Kaidan doesn't have many actual conversations on the Normandy with a Shepard who didn't romance him either.

[MsKlaussen]

DWH1982 wrote...

Liara is clearly Bioware's favorite.

It's a shame, too, because it has actually made me resent her character to a degree. I used to like Liara, and want to keep liking Liara. I could handle it if it just seemed that her character seems to have unresolved feelings for my canon Shepard, who has been clear with her since ME1 that he's interested in Ash. What I can't handle is how the game seems to favor Liara, and seems to want to push her on me itself, even though I've never been interested.

Interesting because my FemShep has been dating Liara for three games and it felt the whole time as though the only thing that would keep us in any sort of proximity with each other was a black hole.

How any of you felt "forced" into anything I don't know. Half the talk during ME2's reign was that Liara's romance might as well have been dropped because to anyone watching the two were never more than squadmates. People used the Liara romance as an example of how Bioware completely neglected the writing of LI content and fairly demanded the Shadow Broker DLC to fix the problem. The threads were all over this very website.

If this is "forced down player throats" then I'd hate to see "optional".

Modifié par MsKlaussen, 23 mai 2012 - 08:03 .

[MegaBadExample]

MsKlaussen wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

Liara is clearly Bioware's favorite.

It's a shame, too, because it has actually made me resent her character to a degree. I used to like Liara, and want to keep liking Liara. I could handle it if it just seemed that her character seems to have unresolved feelings for my canon Shepard, who has been clear with her since ME1 that he's interested in Ash. What I can't handle is how the game seems to favor Liara, and seems to want to push her on me itself, even though I've never been interested.

Interesting because my FemShep has been dating Liara for three games and it felt the whole time as though the only thing that would keep us in any sort of proximity with each other was a black hole.

How any of you felt "forced" into anything I don't know. Half the talk during ME2's reign was that Liara's romance might as well have been dropped because to anyone watching the two were never more than squadmates. People used the Liara romance as an example of how Bioware completely neglected the writing of LI content and fairly demanded the Shadow Broker DLC to fix the problem. The threads were all over this very website.

If this is "forced down player throats" then I'd hate to see "optional".

They didn't fix Ashley and Kaidan's problem in ME2, though.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 23 mai 2012 - 08:05 .

[mauro2222]

DWH1982 wrote...

Liara is clearly Bioware's favorite.

It's a shame, too, because it has actually made me resent her character to a degree. I used to like Liara, and want to keep liking Liara. I could handle it if it just seemed that her character seems to have unresolved feelings for my canon Shepard, who has been clear with her since ME1 that he's interested in Ash. What I can't handle is how the game seems to favor Liara, and seems to want to push her on me itself, even though I've never been interested.

Hmmm I agree to a certain degree.

But, I must admit that I find her crush to be cute and sad. She loves Shepard regardless of what he/she thinks and she can't do anything about it, her heart is open to Shep no matter how badly he/she treats her. It may seem stupidity, but again, love is illogical.
And is cute and adorable because she's always trying to be sure that Shep is happy, you can't get any best friend than that. I almost cried with the memory-gift-melding on Earth.

[Raven Kesrar]

I don´t think that Liara has some sort of special treatment, and I'm saying this even do she is my love interest, regarding kaiden and ashley, I think kaiden has more conversations and things to say even if you don’t romance him, maybe this changes regarding if your a femshep or a broshep, as a femshep I did notice that ashley did not say much.

[Sejborg]

 Liara is the LI. Screw Ashley.  

[DWH1982]

I was really reluctant to accept the memory gift. I mainly did it because it seemed cruel not to, at that point.

The thing is... I don't think it's something Edwin Shepard would want to tell Ash about. And it doesn't seem right to have Liara put him in a situation like that.

I know its supposedly something asari do for close friends, not just lovers, but it was another scene that had a whole "I wish I were more" vibe to it. Kinda feel like maybe the memory gift should have been reserved soley for people who were romancing her, while those of us who were just friends got something else.

[Toki]

She definitely is. I find it so annoying in ME3 where she's up in my room like every mission. I don't even like her, I'd much rather see Garrus or Ashley come visit me, you know, someone I actually care about.

[MegaBadExample]

Raven Kesrar wrote...

I don´t think that Liara has some sort of special treatment, and I'm saying this even do she is my love interest, regarding kaiden and ashley, I think kaiden has more conversations and things to say even if you don’t romance him, maybe this changes regarding if your a femshep or a broshep, as a femshep I did notice that ashley did not say much.

When Liara shows up more times than you’re actual love interest to comfort you - you can see why people think she’s forced on them. You don’t get the option to avoid/brush her off in these scenarios, and if GOD-FORBID you want to role-play differently... you can't, and  it’s annoying.

Liara is clearly the favourite. She’s been getting special treatment since the beginning. I thought after her getting a massive DLC dedicated solely to her in ME2, that I wouldn’t be required to put up with her (if I didn’t want to) in Ashes. But I guess I was wrong.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 23 mai 2012 - 08:23 .

[DWH1982]

With the exception of the memory gift at the end - which, regardless of her justification, seemed really inappropriate, given I just said my final goodbyes to Ashley merely moments before speaking to Liara - I don't mind the cabin scenes with Liara.

I simply wish there were as many cabin scenes with Ash, to create some semblance of equal time between LIs. As I already noted, there was one particular mission towards the end of the game that I think Edwin Shepard (a paragon) should have been devestaed about. It would have been nice to be able to have a real talk with Ash about it. Instead, the only talk I get is the one where Shepard has to comfort Liara.

Modifié par DWH1982, 23 mai 2012 - 08:29 .

[DWH1982]

I have to say - personally, I'd never get rid of the glyph/time capsule scene, no matter who Shepard is romancing. Yeah, Liara does come off like she wants to be more than friends - but if only there were more equal time between Liara and your LI, I don't think that would be so bad. Sometimes people have feelings for you when you don't share them.

[MsKlaussen]

MegaBadExample wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

Liara is clearly Bioware's favorite.

It's a shame, too, because it has actually made me resent her character to a degree. I used to like Liara, and want to keep liking Liara. I could handle it if it just seemed that her character seems to have unresolved feelings for my canon Shepard, who has been clear with her since ME1 that he's interested in Ash. What I can't handle is how the game seems to favor Liara, and seems to want to push her on me itself, even though I've never been interested.

Interesting because my FemShep has been dating Liara for three games and it felt the whole time as though the only thing that would keep us in any sort of proximity with each other was a black hole.

How any of you felt "forced" into anything I don't know. Half the talk during ME2's reign was that Liara's romance might as well have been dropped because to anyone watching the two were never more than squadmates. People used the Liara romance as an example of how Bioware completely neglected the writing of LI content and fairly demanded the Shadow Broker DLC to fix the problem. The threads were all over this very website.

If this is "forced down player throats" then I'd hate to see "optional".

They didn't fix Ashley and Kaidan's problem in ME2, though.

This is true, but I would expect that this was more to do with the overall role they were set to play in the series than anything else, and the fact that there was no way to know which of the two was going to survive ME1.

There were what, three characters not guaranteed to move over? Those two and Rex? And none of them got an extensive LI treatment.  On the other hand, every other character in the game except Liara who made the transition gave Shepard cause to go on believing there was something special to discuss. Liara was not only not a squadmate, she did everything she could to hustle Shepard into forgetting they were ever an item in the first place, until the DLC came out.

And even with said DLC, there really wasn't a good enough reason given for why every interaction with Liara throughout the whole game came off like a conversation at a bank teller window. Sorry, but if I am in love with somebody, some part of my face is going to betray my lies about it. Not just once, but every single time. Particularly if I am lying about or covering up that love by compulsion or in the midst of guilt. No such problem with Liara, which unless she's actually a T-101, is an immersion breaker.

[Mr.House]

DWH1982 wrote...

I have to say - personally, I'd never get rid of the glyph/time capsule scene, no matter who Shepard is romancing. Yeah, Liara does come off like she wants to be more than friends - but if only there were more equal time between Liara and your LI, I don't think that would be so bad. Sometimes people have feelings for you when you don't share them.

No she does not.

[Raven Kesrar]

so the problem and what is bothering some people is that she comes looking for you to say something, I respect what some of you feel in wanting to have their actual love interest come instead of Liara, but some of those cut scenes don’t have nothing to do with forcing Liara into you

I just get the feeling since we got a bad bad ending, people are just looking for more things to complain about, if Liara is not your love interest, she acts like a good friend :happy:

Modifié par Raven Kesrar, 23 mai 2012 - 08:40 .

[Dexi]

If her character is in such a way that she cares a lot about Shepard and wants to be there for him/her, knowing he's/she's going through hard times, it doesn't necessarily mean she's a forced LI, but that she is a good friend ( at least ).

[MonsterFish]

The filenames for the ME2 opening cinematic with LIs are ProNorEscape.bik, ProNorEscapeAsh.bik and ProNorEscapeKaid.bik. I think that tells something.

[M_Kirkwall]

This thread again?

*image removed per Site Rule #6*

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 23 mai 2012 - 09:12 .

[Lord Phoebus]

Well Ashley is the LI I'd most like to fire out of a cannon...

Part of Liara's pet status might be due to Liara being a LI for both Femshep and Maleshep. This meant she became the logical choice to hunt down Shep's remains. Once that was done by the writers, she became a good choice to either be the love of Shep's life or the unrequited lover, both which seem like things that BioWare's writers would love to tackle. I don't think she is the cannon LI, but she is the LI that canonically is in love with Shepard.

[MegaBadExample]

MsKlaussen wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

Liara is clearly Bioware's favorite.

It's a shame, too, because it has actually made me resent her character to a degree. I used to like Liara, and want to keep liking Liara. I could handle it if it just seemed that her character seems to have unresolved feelings for my canon Shepard, who has been clear with her since ME1 that he's interested in Ash. What I can't handle is how the game seems to favor Liara, and seems to want to push her on me itself, even though I've never been interested.

Interesting because my FemShep has been dating Liara for three games and it felt the whole time as though the only thing that would keep us in any sort of proximity with each other was a black hole.

How any of you felt "forced" into anything I don't know. Half the talk during ME2's reign was that Liara's romance might as well have been dropped because to anyone watching the two were never more than squadmates. People used the Liara romance as an example of how Bioware completely neglected the writing of LI content and fairly demanded the Shadow Broker DLC to fix the problem. The threads were all over this very website.

If this is "forced down player throats" then I'd hate to see "optional".

They didn't fix Ashley and Kaidan's problem in ME2, though.

This is true, but I would expect that this was more to do with the overall role they were set to play in the series than anything else, and the fact that there was no way to know which of the two was going to survive ME1.

There were what, three characters not guaranteed to move over? Those two and Rex? And none of them got an extensive LI treatment.  On the other hand, every other character in the game except Liara who made the transition gave Shepard cause to go on believing there was something special to discuss. Liara was not only not a squadmate, she did everything she could to hustle Shepard into forgetting they were ever an item in the first place, until the DLC came out.

And even with said DLC, there really wasn't a good enough reason given for why every interaction with Liara throughout the whole game came off like a conversation at a bank teller window. Sorry, but if I am in love with somebody, some part of my face is going to betray my lies about it. Not just once, but every single time. Particularly if I am lying about or covering up that love by compulsion or in the midst of guilt. No such problem with Liara, which unless she's actually a T-101, is an immersion breaker.

They were indeed guaranteed to move over, and so was Liara.

The fact is Ashley/Kaidan were love interests. Bioware made them fight, and their fans had to wait over TWO YEARS for a resolution that never really came. Well, at least not for me and I stayed faithful to Ash in that playthrough (Kaidan mentions Horizon in the hospital). Ashley and Kaidan needed that DLC way more than Liara, IMO. With Liara, you got your welcome back kiss, can talk to her about the SB, talk about Cerberus and how she brought your body back - without ANY of the DLC.

However, Ash and Kaidan understandably chew you out - then that's it. You're left wondering for the rest of the game.

Liara got this big expanding background, and we found out what she's been doing/what’s she’s done these passed two years. With Ash - I got none of that. I don't know what’s she's been doing for the passed two years, and I have so many questions.

Liara got all this content, and other characters didn’t. Hence - special treatment.

Liara is forced on you, but not romantically (although I understand why people feel like she is).

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 23 mai 2012 - 09:07 .

[CrystalCircuit]

 Liara is a creator's pet. That's why Shepard always thinks about her before dying.