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[Ravensword]

http://social.biowar.../index/12175749

[Mr.House]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Show me one Bioware game where all romances where treated equal?

ME2's romances were fairly equal. As were DA2's.

ME Lis where ignored in ME2 while the new ones where favored andt here was a big quality leep in ME2 romances. In DA2 Merrill has little romance content compared to Fenris, Isabela and Anders. So no, romances where not equal at all and they never will.

ME2's romances were equal to each other. And I certainly don't recall Merrill having less than Isabela to speak of.

Not to mention that "but they did this before" is not a good reason why it's right to do it now.

Jacob has more romance content then any of the ME2 Li's and has post game romance dialog inclyding a kiss everytiem you talk abotu relonship. That's not equal at all.

[Raven Kesrar]

Maybe its just because of how the characters are, some are more expresive than others

its there personality and what goes with them

Modifié par Raven Kesrar, 24 mai 2012 - 09:15 .

[Ravensword]

We're all in agreement that Liara's romances are treated w/ more preference than the other characters' romances, no?

[Mr.House]

Ravensword wrote...

We're all in agreement that Liara's romances are treated w/ more preference than the other characters' romances, no?

In ME3 yes, and it does not bug me at all.

[Han Shot First]

Liara has the best written romance arc throughout the series, but I don't think the devs were pushing her as the preferred romance option.

[SpectreStone]

I also think the fact that not including Liara, Kaidan and Ashley all other romances in ME3 was import-only also contributed to how imbalanced the romances played out. Bioware typically doesn't like putting a lot of resources into content most players wouldn't see. Since all the romanceable squadmates in ME2 were 'new romances' this didn't create a noticable difference between them in that game.

Modifié par SpectreStone, 24 mai 2012 - 09:24 .

[Ravensword]

Mr.House wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

We're all in agreement that Liara's romances are treated w/ more preference than the other characters' romances, no?

In ME3 yes, and it does not bug me at all.

Well, it wouldn't bother you in the first place.

[SpectreStone]

Han Shot First wrote...

Liara has the best written romance arc throughout the series, but I don't think the devs were pushing her as the preferred romance option.

So... Liara gets the best written romance of the trilogy according to you, yet that's not a sign she has the preferred romance?

[Giggles_Manically]

Liara is just the most overt of the romances really.

Its not like she is given an entire comic, then a digital comic, then a DLC, then a huge focus in the third game, then made to be the canon friend (like Garrus, but he is at least awesome), or you know forced to be with your squad mission after mission.

So no Liara is not not canon, but she was given far better treatment then any other character in the series.

[ADLegend21]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Liara is the writer's pet.

Ashley is the one featured in the marketing because Bioware thought they could sell more copies that way.

Nobody is canon.

^This.

[Han Shot First]

SpectreStone wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Liara has the best written romance arc throughout the series, but I don't think the devs were pushing her as the preferred romance option.

So... Liara gets the best written romance of the trilogy according to you, yet that's not a sign she has the preferred romance?

That assumes that the writers sat down with the intention of writing a romance plot for Liara that was better than the others.

Remember Jacob? He was supposed to be an awesome character in Mass Effect 2.

To put it this way: Sometimes the writers step up to the plate and hit a home run. Other times it is a big swing and a miss. Either way, it is all partly chance.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 25 mai 2012 - 12:07 .

[GenericEnemy]

I've been romancing Kaidan since day 1, and I honestly never felt Liara was forced upon me, or trying to get into my pants. I'll never get the hate she receives.

[MsKlaussen]

SpectreStone wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Liara has the best written romance arc throughout the series, but I don't think the devs were pushing her as the preferred romance option.

So... Liara gets the best written romance of the trilogy according to you, yet that's not a sign she has the preferred romance?

"Best written" is as vague and subjective a concept as "best ending".

Liara was chosen as the character who ends up at the start of ME2 with the most profound emotional tie to Shepard. She is the reason Shepard is not in Collector hands. Given what she had to go through to find Shepard and deliver him/her to Cerebus, and what that decision ultimately cost her in both lives and remorse, that her interactions both romantic and platonic would be more emotionally charged and capable of providing more avenues for expansion is a natural byproduct and a story that writes itself.

She was uniquely qualified to undertake this role as the story was written due to no conflicts of interest with Cerebus (Miranda), racial/political interest (her mother, the Council, etc.), the depth of knowledge of the enemy (through Prothean research), and not being an IF-THEN where continuing to the next story was concerned (Ashley, Wrex, Kaidan), or a loosely connected merc/person with little defined interest in Shepard (Tali).

Like I explained earlier. That's really all there is to it. There are no books, movies, or any other pieces of literature/works of fiction or nonfiction that do not have principals. There are no "extras" who are fleshed out in equal fashion as the principals. If you're going to have an issue with this, you might as well accuse Hermoine Granger's romance of being favored over Draco Malfoy's, or other such absurd complaints. So what was Rowling supposed to do? Switch Hermoine and Weasley over to Slytheirn and have Harry running around with Draco in the second half of the series so we could get a proper look at his chick and nobody looked like the writer's favorite? C'mon now.

Now if Liara had been no more important to the main idea than XO Pressly and yet still had a more extensively written romance than the squadmates? You have something to discuss then. 

Modifié par MsKlaussen, 25 mai 2012 - 12:54 .

[Rogen80]

While I do not believe Liara is the canon LI, it is clear that she is the prefered one by the game makers. Not sure if it's the fact that it is virtually impossible for her to be killed or the fact that she can be persued by both M and F Shepard, but they put a lot of time and effort into her romance arc. 
I would have no issue with this if all of the LIs were treated equally, but the heavy emphasis on Liara is a bit irksome. Just one example: why does Liara always come up to Shepards cabin, uninvitied, to offer unwarrented comfort or advice? Why couldn't have been [insert your LI here] to comfort Shepard instead?
Just my two cents. 

P.S. I think it would've been amusing to see Liara and Javik hook up if she was not persued...

Modifié par Rogen80, 08 octobre 2013 - 02:41 .

[Iakus]

Short answer: Yes

Longer answer: Definitely

[Steelcan]

http://forums.na.lea...97&d=1376978717

[Han Shot First]

Javik and Liara hooking up wouldn't have made much sense in my opinion. There was no chemistry between them, and from Javik's POV relations with other species are foolish.

Had Bioware written in more crew member relationships for characters that were not being romanced by Shepard, I think Kaidan would been a much better choice to hook up with Liara. Depending on dialogue choices and Shepard's gender, Kaidan can admit to being attracted to Liara in ME1. Its implied in ME3 that the two bonded over being biotics, and they are both pro-Council paragons.

[SlottsMachine]

Super Mac weeps when you choose someone else.