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[kakalxlax]

As you may know , there are various opinions regarding DA2, and as DA3
proyect will start cooking i think fans should speak their minds about it.

as for me:

-starting the game with a prologue of the hero and one of the champion and then have both of them in your party

-better interaction with companions during missions

-make the game for pc and the dumb it down for consoles

-no pre-rendered pixelated cutscenes

-as arround 95% (to say the vast majority) of players are straight males, more female romantic options, having more than just the extremes: the wh@re and the shy-ish/naive girl, i
mean, i like those (specially the shy girl), but more options would be a
nice thing


-one thing in which DAO was better than DA2 is that flirting with someone didn`t blocked dialogs with other characters

-maybe a romantic confrontation scene like in ME1

-dont having "persuade" options thus they are obviously the one that will
benefict you the most, which ends up taking away the choice from you and
the "act as myself in the game" feeling

-the chance of jumping or moving more freely making fights more dynamic and tactic, that highly improves any game

-watch out for bugs... im looking at you DA2

Modifié par kakalxlax, 26 mai 2012 - 06:00 .

[wsandista]

Well, I hope DA3 is an excellent RPG that comes close to BG2's greatness.

Although, I expect a game that tries to be too many things at once, and comes up short at all of them.

[ashwind]

-the chance of jumping or moving more freely making fights more dynamic and tactic, that highly improves any game

The more action control you have over your character the less tactical the combat becomes. Action and tactics do not work well together. Trying to blend that 2 together and make "fast paced" combat would result in DA2. That and the poorly designed combat system where bodies are flying against each other in the most chaotic possible way does not improve any game at all.

Because Dragon Age features stats, skills and squad based combat where you can take control over any member in your party and your stats and skills determines hits or misses, making it more "action packed", adding active jumping, blocking and rolling will be nothing more than chaotic animations that bares no meaning whatsoever.

Do action or do tactics. "Oh we want to give players the option to play it like Kingdoms of Amalur AND also Total War" would be the doom of Dragon Age.... because I fear know they will make another abomination that fails to satisfy either group.

[edit]
While I am not trying to expect anything.... I cannot help myself but to expect this:
Bioware PLEASE take a good look at your engine. I still cant understand WHY does Dragon Age 2 tax my GPU more than Skyrim!? There is something seriously wrong with Bioware's engine.... there has to be 

I run Skyrim with the highest setting and get a constant 60 FPS but Dragon Age 2 I can only manage 40~50 FPS and it can drop to 28 FPS during.... conversation cut scenes!?! 

Modifié par ashwind, 24 mai 2012 - 02:17 .

[wsandista]

ashwind wrote...

-the chance of jumping or moving more freely making fights more dynamic and tactic, that highly improves any game

The more action control you have over your character the less tactical the combat becomes. Action and tactics do not work well together. Trying to blend that 2 together and make "fast paced" combat would result in DA2. That and the poorly designed combat system where bodies are flying against each other in the most chaotic possible way does not improve any game at all.

Because Dragon Age features stats, skills and squad based combat where you can take control over any member in your party and your stats and skills determines hits or misses, making it more "action packed", adding active jumping, blocking and rolling will be nothing more than chaotic animations that bares no meaning whatsoever.

Do action or do tactics. "Oh we want to give players the option to play it like Kingdoms of Amalur AND also Total War" would be the doom of Dragon Age.... because I fear know they will make another abomination that fails to satisfy either group.

[edit]
While I am not trying to expect anything.... I cannot help myself but to expect this:
Bioware PLEASE take a good look at your engine. I still cant understand WHY does Dragon Age 2 tax my GPU more than Skyrim!? There is something seriously wrong with Bioware's engine.... there has to be 

I run Skyrim with the highest setting and get a constant 60 FPS but Dragon Age 2 I can only manage 40~50 FPS and it can drop to 28 FPS during.... conversation cut scenes!?! 

I knew that the Lycium engine couldn't rend dark skin colors well, but taxing a GPU more than Skyrim?
That is just insane.
BTW, which GPU do you use? I'm currently building a PC and am trying to get the best value.

[kakalxlax]

ashwind wrote...

-the chance of jumping or moving more freely making fights more dynamic and tactic, that highly improves any game

The more action control you have over your character the less tactical the combat becomes. Action and tactics do not work well together. Trying to blend that 2 together and make "fast paced" combat would result in DA2. That and the poorly designed combat system where bodies are flying against each other in the most chaotic possible way does not improve any game at all.

Because Dragon Age features stats, skills and squad based combat where you can take control over any member in your party and your stats and skills determines hits or misses, making it more "action packed", adding active jumping, blocking and rolling will be nothing more than chaotic animations that bares no meaning whatsoever.

Do action or do tactics. "Oh we want to give players the option to play it like Kingdoms of Amalur AND also Total War" would be the doom of Dragon Age.... because I fear know they will make another abomination that fails to satisfy either group.

[edit]
While I am not trying to expect anything.... I cannot help myself but to expect this:
Bioware PLEASE take a good look at your engine. I still cant understand WHY does Dragon Age 2 tax my GPU more than Skyrim!? There is something seriously wrong with Bioware's engine.... there has to be 

I run Skyrim with the highest setting and get a constant 60 FPS but Dragon Age 2 I can only manage 40~50 FPS and it can drop to 28 FPS during.... conversation cut scenes!?! 

In Skyrim you can have companions, and in DA you can change companion tactics and you can manually control, a convination of both things looks very interesting

[FieryDove]

kakalxlax wrote...


-as arround 95% (or so) of players are straight males, more female romantic options

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Got links to back up that claim?

[kakalxlax]

FieryDove wrote...

kakalxlax wrote...


-as arround 95% (or so) of players are straight males, more female romantic options

-

Got links to back up that claim?

in DA2 you had 5 possible romances, 3 men and 2 women, do you think that heterosexual female % + the homosexual male % of DA2 players is anywere near the 60% ?

Modifié par kakalxlax, 24 mai 2012 - 03:30 .

[Reznore57]

About the DA2 engine i agree, there is a problem there.Me3 runs better on my pc than da2.So i hope they will look at it for Da3.

As for warden and Hawke joining the party as companion , it's a big No No for me.There are tons of npc for writers to build them up .Hawke and the warden are supposed to be mine.I'm gonna be all childish but they are my toys and i don't wanna share them.I hope the writers won't cross that line .I don't mind hearing rumours about them , or a small cameo .

As for romances sometimes reading the forum i 'd almost hope for having just one li : a really ugly dwarf even more disgusting then Ogren in every possible way.Oh and it could only be a platonic relationship.The love scene would involve him reciting bad poetry for hours .The only dialogue option of your pc would be "i found my soulmate /bromance".

[ashwind]

wsandista wrote...

I knew that the Lycium engine couldn't rend dark skin colors well, but taxing a GPU more than Skyrim?
That is just insane.
BTW, which GPU do you use? I'm currently building a PC and am trying to get the best value.

I am using a Nvidia GTX 560 Ti, tis no longer state of the art but it gets the job done, most of the time.

When running DA2 set to highest visual settings, standing in the middle of high town, yeah just standing there looking around: GPU load at 90-99%. Average FPS 35. Yes, I am just standing there staring at the buildings.... just buildings and some random NPC passing by once a while. Before nVidia released tons of drivers for DA2... wow... once you turn on all the extra settings, the game is jerky as hell...

[To be fair, I tried Skyrim with third person view as well]
When running Skyrim set to highest visual settings, standing in the middle of town looking around: GPU load at around 80%, 60 FPS constant. 

When running Skyrim set to highest visual settings, uisng Ambient Occlusion from nVidia Control Panel, set to Performance, 60 FPS 99% of the time. GPU load around 80% mostly. (This is the setting I play Skyrim on)

When running Skyrim set to 
highest visual settings, uisng 
Ambient Occlusion from nVidia Control Panel, set to Quality, averaging 44 FPS, GPU load at 92% mostly. (Still better than DA2)

[ashwind]

kakalxlax wrote...
In Skyrim you can have companions, and in DA you can change companion tactics and you can manually control, a convination of both things looks very interesting

TES's companions are.... Grrrr... stupid. I hate them all! They always like to run between me blade and me target. Skyrim's combat is so-so. Nothing to shout about, it is tolarable. Bioware should not learn from Bethesda when in comes to combat. DA has better companions and it aint that bad a combat system compared to Skyrim/Oblivion.

However, when I think "Fantasy Action Packed", I am measuring them against Kingdoms of Amalur and imho, 38 Studios' combat system makes Bioware and Bethesda combined looks like amateurs.

[hangmans tree]

I would like less fail and more win. That is all.

[Great_Horn]

Well, I would highly appreciate if DA:3 follows (again) the formula: spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate. In other words, so what did DA:O right and expand this approach!


Edit Expectations:
·         Resolving the damn Mages vers Templars conflict and shifting to other themes,
·         No more cliffhanger endings,
·         Much more focus on political schemings (Grand Duke Gaspard vers Celene I),
·         Better motivations for companions:  why do they actual follow you,
·         Reliable plot for the PC. Why a character with no reputation should be delegated with this special task.    

Modifié par Great_Horn, 24 mai 2012 - 09:48 .

[fchopin]

kakalxlax wrote...

-starting the game with a prologue of the hero and one of the champion and then have both of them in your party

That is enough for me to say hasta la vista to Dragon Age games forever.

[Sutekh]

kakalxlax wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

kakalxlax wrote...

-as arround 95% (or so) of players are straight males, more female romantic options-

Got links to back up that claim?

in DA2 you had 5 possible romances, 3 men and 2 women, do you think that heterosexual female % + the homosexual male % of DA2 players is anywere near the 60% ?

That's not what you said, though, and that's not what you were asked either.

According to recent studies, the male / female gamers ratio is 60 / 40 - all genres, sexual orientation not accounted for (the most recent puts it 58 / 42). That's pretty far from your 95 / 5 claim. Add to that not everyone play their RL gender characters or romance according to their RL orientation, and the numbers become fuzzy and irrelevant. More importantly, Bioware prefers inclusion to catering to their alleged demographic, and that's a good thing.

David Gaider says it better:

The romances in the game are not for "the straight male gamer". They're for everyone. We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor male, and they deserve no less attention.

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ashwind wrote...

While I am not trying to expect anything.... I cannot help myself but to expect this:
Bioware PLEASE take a good look at your engine. I still cant understand WHY does Dragon Age 2 tax my GPU more than Skyrim!? There is something seriously wrong with Bioware's engine.... there has to be [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

I run Skyrim with the highest setting and get a constant 60 FPS but Dragon Age 2 I can only manage 40~50 FPS and it can drop to 28 FPS during.... conversation cut scenes!?! 

Must depend on configuration, including CPU and RAM, because I get roughly the opposite result. Can't even use HD textures in Skyrim without my computer stuttering like an elderly drunk riddled with arthritis, while DA2 works smoothly, all highest settings with additional tweaks using NVidia inspector. My guess is that DA2 relies more on the GPU alone than Skyrim, and that my having only 4Gb RAM is the culprit. 

This said, I'm very much for a change of engine, but not for technical reasons.

[Karlone123]

[quote]Sutekh wrote...

[quote]kakalxlax wrote...

[quote]FieryDove wrote...

[quote]kakalxlax wrote...

-as arround 95% (or so) of players are straight males, more female romantic options-[/quote]
Got links to back up that claim?[/quote]
in DA2 you had 5 possible romances, 3 men and 2 women, do you think that heterosexual female % + the homosexual male % of DA2 players is anywere near the 60% ?[/quote]That's not what you said, though, and that's not what you were asked either.

According to recent studies, the male / female gamers ratio is 60 / 40 - all genres, sexual orientation not accounted for (the most recent puts it 58 / 42). That's pretty far from your 95 / 5 claim. Add to that not everyone play their RL gender characters or romance according to their RL orientation, and the numbers become fuzzy and irrelevant. More importantly, Bioware prefers inclusion to catering to their alleged demographic, and that's a good thing.

David Gaider says it better:


[quote]The romances in the game are not for "the straight male gamer". They're for everyone. We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor male, and they deserve no less attention.

[/quote]I fully stand behind on what David Gaider quoted, I would never really go for a gay romance but the option should be there for those who want to purue it. Coming up with vague reasons to only have heterosexual romances is being pretty inconsiderate. Some people have complained about companions being "Hawkesexualized", I again never had a problem with this. This is one of reasons why David Gaider is my favourite writer.

[curlzncrush]

Modifié par curlzncrush, 24 mai 2012 - 11:47 .

[curlzncrush]

kakalxlax wrote...

-dont having "persuade" options thus they are obviously the one that will
benefict you the most, which ends up taking away the choice from you and
the "act as myself in the game" feeling

This.

With that said, I would like to see more 'Special' Choices in dialogue as a result of Dominant Personality.

Example:

Diplomatic Hawke can peacefully end a conflict between a Dalish elf and a former werewolf. 

Aggressive Hawke can threaten the guy into telling telling Hawke where something is hidden.

Sarcastic Hawke can lie to others in order to get what he wants.


This is the new persuasion/intimidation.  This is a feature that was likely meant to be further implemented into DA2 but was missing due to a limited development period.

I would love to see the dominant personality open up more special choices where a diplomatic protagonist can end conflict with words, an aggressive one can threaten and intimidate people and a sarcastic one can charm and lie their way to reach their goals.

[ashwind]

Sutekh wrote...

ashwind wrote...

While I am not trying to expect anything.... I cannot help myself but to expect this:
Bioware PLEASE take a good look at your engine. I still cant understand WHY does Dragon Age 2 tax my GPU more than Skyrim!? There is something seriously wrong with Bioware's engine.... there has to be [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

I run Skyrim with the highest setting and get a constant 60 FPS but Dragon Age 2 I can only manage 40~50 FPS and it can drop to 28 FPS during.... conversation cut scenes!?! 

Must depend on configuration, including CPU and RAM, because I get roughly the opposite result. Can't even use HD textures in Skyrim without my computer stuttering like an elderly drunk riddled with arthritis, while DA2 works smoothly, all highest settings with additional tweaks using NVidia inspector. My guess is that DA2 relies more on the GPU alone than Skyrim, and that my having only 4Gb RAM is the culprit. 

This said, I'm very much for a change of engine, but not for technical reasons.

Just to clarify. Although DA2 runs on average 40 FPS on my system, it is not unsmooth. It is actually pretty smooth. I believe you are right that Skyrim requires more RAM and DA2 more GPU hungry.

The thing is, the world of Skyrim is just so much richer compared to the barren environment of DA2. Hence, why is DA2 so resource hungry when it is not even pretty compared to other games? It may not be the engine, it maybe lots of things, it maybe the level design, etc.

I really hope that Bioware will look into this seriously. If DA3 requires super highend hardware to run, make sure that the resulting visual does the hardware requirement justice. As it is, DA2 is like twice as resource hungry as Elder Scroll Oblivion and honestly, it aint prettier than Oblivion to behold.

Modifié par ashwind, 24 mai 2012 - 12:19 .

[hangmans tree]

Sutekh wrote...

kakalxlax wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

kakalxlax wrote...

-as arround 95% (or so) of players are straight males, more female romantic options-

Got links to back up that claim?

in DA2 you had 5 possible romances, 3 men and 2 women, do you think that heterosexual female % + the homosexual male % of DA2 players is anywere near the 60% ?

That's not what you said, though, and that's not what you were asked either.

According to recent studies, the male / female gamers ratio is 60 / 40 - all genres, sexual orientation not accounted for (the most recent puts it 58 / 42). That's pretty far from your 95 / 5 claim. Add to that not everyone play their RL gender characters or romance according to their RL orientation, and the numbers become fuzzy and irrelevant. More importantly, Bioware prefers inclusion to catering to their alleged demographic, and that's a good thing.

David Gaider says it better:

The romances in the game are not for "the straight male gamer". They're for everyone. We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor male, and they deserve no less attention.

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One question though, how many females play Sims-like games? A lot.
How many of those said 42% play "sims and solitair" and still fit the criteria to be labeled gamer?
I say this 58/42 is flawed.
In the genre we are interested here I am more inclined to belive its closer to the 95/5 mentioned above as RPG is a rather niche market than mainstream (attention span, lol).

[ladyofpayne]

-better interaction with companions during missions

[AkiKishi]

hangmans tree wrote...
One question though, how many females play Sims-like games? A lot.
How many of those said 42% play "sims and solitair" and still fit the criteria to be labeled gamer?
I say this 58/42 is flawed.
In the genre we are interested here I am more inclined to belive its closer to the 95/5 mentioned above as RPG is a rather niche market than mainstream (attention span, lol).

Those figures are very skewed towards "fluff" games like facebook games.

Biowares metrics for male/female Shep/Hawke/Warden break down to around 80/20 I believe. That's not the gender of the player, just the character.

[kakalxlax]

Sutekh wrote...



David Gaider says it better:

The
romances in the game are not for "the straight male gamer". They're for
everyone. We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor
male, and they deserve no less attention.

i didnt imply at all that they should be putted apart, just that as there are more gamers who like women, there is more variety what they like in a woman, so therefor there should be more variety of female characters able for romance than male characters
and really if girl gamers are the 40% (specially in a rpg) (what is
something we all would want but i really really doubt) 60% of the
options for the minority doesnt seems very smart

BobSmith101 wrote...

Biowares metrics for male/female
Shep/Hawke/Warden break down to around 80/20 I believe. That's not the
gender of the player, just the character.

that seems less zany

Modifié par kakalxlax, 24 mai 2012 - 03:19 .

[5trangeCase]

RPGs have broadly more female players than any other genre, in my opinion. I'd think it is about 60-40. I know of more female players who have played DA than male players, but that is just one slice. Personally, I think it is about 60-40.

But really, that is irrelevant as far as romances go. Neither of my characters were based on myself or my sexual preferences. I am male, my Hawke was female. And while my Hawke was homosexual, she romanced Merrill, and I find elves unattractive. Hawke did not, because she isn't me.

Your argument that there should be more female romances than male romances doesn't hold water. Personally I would like it to be equal, with two bisexual, two homosexual and two heterosexual, three per gender.

[kakalxlax]

or maybe more, its a little limiting the thing that happened in both DAO and DA2, where you only had the extremes: the wh@re and the shy-ish/naive girl, i mean, i like those (specially the shy girl), but more options would be a nice thing

[wsandista]

5trangeCase wrote...

RPGs have broadly more female players than any other genre, in my opinion. I'd think it is about 60-40. I know of more female players who have played DA than male players, but that is just one slice. Personally, I think it is about 60-40.

But really, that is irrelevant as far as romances go. Neither of my characters were based on myself or my sexual preferences. I am male, my Hawke was female. And while my Hawke was homosexual, she romanced Merrill, and I find elves unattractive. Hawke did not, because she isn't me.

Your argument that there should be more female romances than male romances doesn't hold water. Personally I would like it to be equal, with two bisexual, two homosexual and two heterosexual, three per gender.

With bisexual, it would be four per gender,

Anyways do you have data to support that claim?