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[teh DRUMPf!!]

 ME2 Liara was best. She had her one moment of glory, and a really nice interpersonal moment with Shepard which is plenty appropriate for players sans Liaramance. I have to emphasize "one" and "a" in that sentence though.

ME3 Liara was just obnoxious with how much special treatment she got. It's a shame because after ME2 she was the returning character I looked most forward to, after Kaidan/Ashley. What they did with her just ruined everything. I played my canon career twice and I was so fed up of Liara from the first run that I never used her at all in my second, and still felt like there was a lot of her in my game...

I guess we should have seen the writing on the wall with Mac's writing of ME: Genesis. That was pretty much a Liara slobber-fest.

[CptData]

Guess we have to deal with Mac's decision to promote a certain character on expense of others in ME3, HYR 2.0.

That doesn't make me disliking Liara but it definitely forces me to hate that decision. I mean ... the fandom does not consist of Liaramancers only. A lot of other fandoms got disappointing treatment - Thanemancers, Jacob fans, Jack's fandom ... VS too - etc, etc.

*shrugs*

Your decisions do matter. Bioware said.

And then Mac Walters became lead writer

[Ecrulis]

MrStoob wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

 Why do you People Like Liara
I don`t personally, But I want to know why you do, Give me Reasons because I honestly want to understand Why this is.
Edit: Please be Specific, Don`t give me that Blue Baby crap, Like do you like her for her personality, Her looks. explain why

ME1 she is young, vulnerable, inquisitive, pretty, reserved, intelligent but regardless of her shyness finds the courage to express her interest in Shepard in a clumsy, humorous and endearing way.  "Goddess, how could I be so dense?"  The conversations with her about her mother/Saren/asari culture are interesting and her views on humanity.  This is what first drew me to Liara.  And her pink freckles.

For ME2 and ME3, I still have that Liara in mind and she does still show it from time to time with a furtive smile or wry comment.  She still has trouble with Shep's sense of humour as shown when on Mars and Shep says of Liara visiting her on Earth, "I would have liked that, but under the circumstances, I'm willing to forgive you"  She knows Shep is joking, but still doesn't know what to do with it.

Of course she will have matured over the games to some extent, but I don't think she is that different, she just has focus and a definite aim.

Could not have put it better myself

[DWH1982]

Liara's okay as a friend. Not my choice LI, though.

Edwin Shepard would prefer that Liara come to grips with the fact that he's not interested in her. But he still values her friendship.

[Ecrulis]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 ME2 Liara was best. She had her one moment of glory, and a really nice interpersonal moment with Shepard which is plenty appropriate for players sans Liaramance. I have to emphasize "one" and "a" in that sentence though.

ME3 Liara was just obnoxious with how much special treatment she got. It's a shame because after ME2 she was the returning character I looked most forward to, after Kaidan/Ashley. What they did with her just ruined everything. I played my canon career twice and I was so fed up of Liara from the first run that I never used her at all in my second, and still felt like there was a lot of her in my game...

I guess we should have seen the writing on the wall with Mac's writing of ME: Genesis. That was pretty much a Liara slobber-fest.

I think we have been over this in a different thread, the instances where Liara feels forced (Im not disagreeing with you that thats the case just on the intent of the developers) namely the cabin visits after the nightmares and the time capsul. These are more evidence that the game was rushed, not that Liara is the writters pet, Liara is the only squad member from ME1 that cannot end up dead somehow, so the simplest and most cost efficient thing to do was have her appear in those scenes I personally feel those scenes were a missed opportunity for other romances, hell they arent really all that great as a Liaramancer, but its a little unfair to label Liara as the writers pet when the reality is that there were numerous shortcomings due to a rushed game.

Modifié par Ecrulis, 24 mai 2012 - 04:16 .

[DirtySHISN0]

Lets go over the options.

I play as femshep because i can't stand mark meers voice, thats the first hurdle.
I'm male so i don't bother with the male romance options. (jacob?thane? ha.)
Kaiden is dead, Ashley owns all of my hate.
Garrus is off the table because he's my bromosexual.
Treynor wasn't in the other games, Chambers left.
Samara has a no-mance. Morinth is a death sentence.
Jack, kasumi, Zaeed, Grunt, Wrex, Legion, Javik, Mordin and Miranda aren't interested.
Tali isn't allowed.

Why do i like Liara? because i have to.

[Ecrulis]

off topic I think bromosexual is the most wonderful word ever XD

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Ecrulis wrote...

I think we have been over this in a different thread, the instances where Liara feels forced (Im not disagreeing with you that thats the case just on the intent of the developers) namely the cabin visits after the nightmares and the time capsul. These are more evidence that the game was rushed, not that Liara is the writters pet, Liara is the only squad member from ME1 that cannot end up dead somehow, so the simplest and most cost efficient thing to do was have her appear in those scenes I personally feel those scenes were a missed opportunity for other romances, hell they arent really all that great as a Liaramancer, but its a little unfair to label Liara as the writers pet when the reality is that there were numerous shortcomings due to a rushed game.

I believe so, I lost track of that thread though.

Again, have you seen ME: Genesis? Mac wrote it, and he got carried away with how special Liara is. You have: Liara is intelligent, Liara is beautiful, ooh we mind-melded =D, aww poor Liara's mother died in her arms. The last one is seriously a WTF, because Liara was not required on Noveria, but Mac insisted on it.

You think it's just a coincidence that as the lead writer of ME3, Liara was more prominent than any other character/organization in this game than anyone else? That she's forced on whopping 4 missions? No, says I. There's some obvious favoritism going on here.

[Ecrulis]

Ok to be fair I haven't seen genesis, but on the other hand, macs favorite or not I have a hard time believing the other romances were swept aside purely out of favoritism, it could very well be that they decided to do Liara's scenes then ran out of time and had to throw things together, even her scenes seem rushed.

[Tiberis]

Ecrulis wrote...

I think we have been over this in a different thread, the instances where Liara feels forced (Im not disagreeing with you that thats the case just on the intent of the developers) namely the cabin visits after the nightmares and the time capsul. These are more evidence that the game was rushed, not that Liara is the writters pet, Liara is the only squad member from ME1 that cannot end up dead somehow, so the simplest and most cost efficient thing to do was have her appear in those scenes I personally feel those scenes were a missed opportunity for other romances, hell they arent really all that great as a Liaramancer, but its a little unfair to label Liara as the writers pet when the reality is that there were numerous shortcomings due to a rushed game.

I thoroughly agree here. Liara seems like a crutch the devs leaned on to support the game. In comparison to ME2, ME3 looks more shiny but ME2 was much more fleshed out. I don't entirely think it was BioWare's fault. They had a deadline and had to do whatever it took to make a game that worked and still followed the plot. I just hope they can fix any issues through DLC and patches. . .

[CptData]

Ecrulis wrote...

Ok to be fair I haven't seen genesis, but on the other hand, macs favorite or not I have a hard time believing the other romances were swept aside purely out of favoritism, it could very well be that they decided to do Liara's scenes then ran out of time and had to throw things together, even her scenes seem rushed.

Highly depends on your interpretation.

Let's say we have this situation:

- BW claimed they started to write and include romance plots Oct/Nov 2011. I think it was that time, don't hit me if I'm wrong.
In that case they had less than 3 months left to include those romances.

- Liara's romance was done at that time already.
I assume the Devs needed a prototype romance and since Liara's plot was already written, they used her.

- Some portions of Liara's plot were meant to be "romance only".
For example the "time capsule scene" feels too romantic to be a friendship scene. However, it is played for ALL players. Maybe BW decided last minute to make them available to everyone? Why should they? Maybe, because ...

- ... they ran out of time to include similar scenes for other LIs.
Which is highly plausible since they started to include the romances near end of development.


I'd say, Liara got more content since her story was written first. After all, she's the only character of the past two games guaranteed to be part of the crew, next to Shepard.

Just some guesses, but I'm sure I'm close enough to the truth.

[Ecrulis]

CptData wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Ok to be fair I haven't seen genesis, but on the other hand, macs favorite or not I have a hard time believing the other romances were swept aside purely out of favoritism, it could very well be that they decided to do Liara's scenes then ran out of time and had to throw things together, even her scenes seem rushed.

Highly depends on your interpretation.

Let's say we have this situation:

- BW claimed they started to write and include romance plots Oct/Nov 2011. I think it was that time, don't hit me if I'm wrong.
In that case they had less than 3 months left to include those romances.

- Liara's romance was done at that time already.
I assume the Devs needed a prototype romance and since Liara's plot was already written, they used her.

- Some portions of Liara's plot were meant to be "romance only".
For example the "time capsule scene" feels too romantic to be a friendship scene. However, it is played for ALL players. Maybe BW decided last minute to make them available to everyone? Why should they? Maybe, because ...

- ... they ran out of time to include similar scenes for other LIs.
Which is highly plausible since they started to include the romances near end of development.


I'd say, Liara got more content since her story was written first. After all, she's the only character of the past two games guaranteed to be part of the crew, next to Shepard.

Just some guesses, but I'm sure I'm close enough to the truth.

This is how I see it, it explains a lot of things, why everyone seems to see a lot more of Liara than their LI (if Liara isnt the LI) and why if Liara is the LI those scenes feel way more straddling the line of friendship and relationship (which makes no sense if your someone whose been loyal through 3 games).

[leminzplz]

I prefer Liara in the 2nd and 3rd game because I think that everyone needs to toughen up for when the Reapers come so they're brave and mentally/physically stong if she stayed the same shy person from the first game, I don't think she'd want to come along to my missions anymore But I didn't like her in the first game though, she creeped me and my Shepard out

[gearseffect]

I have to take my leave after this now, because I don't give a crap how it went down, because IF THEY BW wanted to give the other LI's as much content as Liara they could and would have. I don't buy the time excuse, budget excuse, or any other stupid excuses because it's all BS.

Liara is a favorite and BW did not give a cr@p about the other LIs where there is a will there is a way, it's a matter of how driven you are, NOTHING should have stopped them from making ME3 the best game EVER, and NOTHING should have gotten in the way of delivering players the story and promises they said they would. I don't buy the stupid naive thing of well Liara is the only squad-mate/LI gardened to be alive in ME3 so it makes sense she'd be used most.

F*ck before ME3 I was such a Liara fan I spewed forth those same stupid idiotic naive statements and defenses.

This has nothing to do with the Liara fans, and everything to do with the people who made ME3. DO NOT take this as a personal attack.

The budget, and time excuss is BS, because was able to get a MP component and action mode in ME3, and it's something I think all of us ME fans would have been able to go without in ME3, as long as we got what we were told we would and what we were promised.

I don't buy any of those defenses for Liara, ME3 was like a giant b!tch slap across my face and woke me the hell up, Liara was blatantly a favorite and the only priority LI (and possibly even squad-mate), that BW gave a sh!t about putting any effort into and making the LI as satisfying as possible and providing as much rewording and meaningful content they could, they went all out and offered nearly everything , with the exception of the no little blue kids which was where they stopped.

Ya know what I think it was a smart move to not give the little blue kids, because you know how much more people would hate Liara if they give the little blue kids? Ohh boy you wouldn't even be able to say her name without a huge sh!tstorm of fan wars and rages.

BW clearly didn't give a flying f*ck about any other LIs, and the sad part of this is that for many of us our LIs were the character we were fighting for, the character that kept us grounded and going, and all that.

By p!ssing all over Thane fans with the down right lies of planing a cure and keeping him alive and well,
the butchering of Jacob Taylor, the lies and false advertising,

The flat out BS promises of Samara as LI/Romance in ME3.

The reduction of Miranda into some husk of the ME2 Miranda fans loved, (Hell I 'm not even a big Miranda fan I felt she was a b!tch but her role and her dad's half @ssed thing in ME3 left me disappointed by Miranda content in ME3 she had for more potential and they threw her away)

The throwing away of Kelly Chambers and discarding her like a used condom in ME3.

The p!ss poor Tali photo was a giant b!tch slap to her fans, It really was, just like the lies about Samara, and Thane, and treatment of Jacob was a giant b!tch slap in the face. Tali's photo was a b!tch slap to her fans.

The clearly lopsided effort put into Kaidan over Ashley and reducing Ashley to a shell of her former self. Again a b!tch slap in the face to her fans.

The way BW handled all the male LI's except Kaidan, was just insulting and down right messed up nearly chauvinistic to female fans. They may as well have just said "Screw you lady fans you don't matter you are not baring balls and wood so you don't matter."

Form what I hear and can see, Jack fans seemed to have been given the best content and treatment for the ME2 LI's of Miranda, Samara, Kelly, Thane, Jacob Taylor, and then of course

Then there is Garrus not sure what his content was like, but from what little I do hear it's rather a good effort and what not, but then look he's Garrus men like the dude, woman like the dude, he's like that loyal little puppy that comes running and you don't need to call his name, he's only ever been really loyal to Shep. Garrus is Sheps sidekick, hell that one line there is no Garrus without Shep. It is clearly how many of us feel, and out of the whole ME3 squad if Garrus wasn't there I'd have no squadmates that I enjoy and feel so attached to ME3 would be truly a flop for me without Garrus.

There you have it,

[CptData]

Woah ... Gears ... lots of steam O.o

I try to pretend it was a budget/time issue. Maybe you -ARE- right, but in that case BW has no chance to ever fix broken promises in the eyes of the fans. Fans may forgive budget-related issues but they won't ever forgive favorism of one character on expense of any others.

I'm a positive dude here and stay with my budget-theory unless we get a clear statement Liara got all the jazz and everyone else got sidelined because of that. And I doubt this is going to happen. I hope so

[MrStoob]

Can't disagree with much there gears. Hope I didn't contribute to your steam with my previous post defending Liara lol.

While I can defend my personal view on Liara, I find it hard to defend BW in relation to Liara. I can understand that if your LI wasn't Liara you might feel hard done to. I only found out very recently that Samara was promised to develop in ME3, whether a full blown relationship or at least a resolution to the incident aboard the Normandy and yes, that annoyed me also as she is a fascinating character.

[ADLegend21]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

 Why do you People Like Liara
I don`t personally, But I want to know why you do, Give me Reasons because I honestly want to understand Why this is.
Edit: Please be Specific, Don`t give me that Blue Baby crap, Like do you like her for her personality, Her looks. explain why

Because Liara has great development. Putting my annoyance at her ebing focused on the most aside, she goes from sort of naive prothean expert, to independant information broker, to the Shadow Broker in teh span of two games. I expected her to top out at that and just be stagnant in 3 and for the most part I was right, but if oyu take Javik to Thessia she has to deal with her species entire religion being false and blown to pieces right in front of her and without the pragon interrupts that seems to shut her down completely.

[Ecrulis]

gearseffect wrote...

I have to take my leave after this now, because I don't give a crap how it went down, because IF THEY BW wanted to give the other LI's as much content as Liara they could and would have. I don't buy the time excuse, budget excuse, or any other stupid excuses because it's all BS.

Liara is a favorite and BW did not give a cr@p about the other LIs where there is a will there is a way, it's a matter of how driven you are, NOTHING should have stopped them from making ME3 the best game EVER, and NOTHING should have gotten in the way of delivering players the story and promises they said they would. I don't buy the stupid naive thing of well Liara is the only squad-mate/LI gardened to be alive in ME3 so it makes sense she'd be used most.

F*ck before ME3 I was such a Liara fan I spewed forth those same stupid idiotic naive statements and defenses.

This has nothing to do with the Liara fans, and everything to do with the people who made ME3. DO NOT take this as a personal attack.

The budget, and time excuss is BS, because was able to get a MP component and action mode in ME3, and it's something I think all of us ME fans would have been able to go without in ME3, as long as we got what we were told we would and what we were promised.

I don't buy any of those defenses for Liara, ME3 was like a giant b!tch slap across my face and woke me the hell up, Liara was blatantly a favorite and the only priority LI (and possibly even squad-mate), that BW gave a sh!t about putting any effort into and making the LI as satisfying as possible and providing as much rewording and meaningful content they could, they went all out and offered nearly everything , with the exception of the no little blue kids which was where they stopped.

Ya know what I think it was a smart move to not give the little blue kids, because you know how much more people would hate Liara if they give the little blue kids? Ohh boy you wouldn't even be able to say her name without a huge sh!tstorm of fan wars and rages.

BW clearly didn't give a flying f*ck about any other LIs, and the sad part of this is that for many of us our LIs were the character we were fighting for, the character that kept us grounded and going, and all that.

By p!ssing all over Thane fans with the down right lies of planing a cure and keeping him alive and well,
the butchering of Jacob Taylor, the lies and false advertising,

The flat out BS promises of Samara as LI/Romance in ME3.

The reduction of Miranda into some husk of the ME2 Miranda fans loved, (Hell I 'm not even a big Miranda fan I felt she was a b!tch but her role and her dad's half @ssed thing in ME3 left me disappointed by Miranda content in ME3 she had for more potential and they threw her away)

The throwing away of Kelly Chambers and discarding her like a used condom in ME3.

The p!ss poor Tali photo was a giant b!tch slap to her fans, It really was, just like the lies about Samara, and Thane, and treatment of Jacob was a giant b!tch slap in the face. Tali's photo was a b!tch slap to her fans.

The clearly lopsided effort put into Kaidan over Ashley and reducing Ashley to a shell of her former self. Again a b!tch slap in the face to her fans.

The way BW handled all the male LI's except Kaidan, was just insulting and down right messed up nearly chauvinistic to female fans. They may as well have just said "Screw you lady fans you don't matter you are not baring balls and wood so you don't matter."

Form what I hear and can see, Jack fans seemed to have been given the best content and treatment for the ME2 LI's of Miranda, Samara, Kelly, Thane, Jacob Taylor, and then of course

Then there is Garrus not sure what his content was like, but from what little I do hear it's rather a good effort and what not, but then look he's Garrus men like the dude, woman like the dude, he's like that loyal little puppy that comes running and you don't need to call his name, he's only ever been really loyal to Shep. Garrus is Sheps sidekick, hell that one line there is no Garrus without Shep. It is clearly how many of us feel, and out of the whole ME3 squad if Garrus wasn't there I'd have no squadmates that I enjoy and feel so attached to ME3 would be truly a flop for me without Garrus.

There you have it,

Except the time exuse is valid because there are numerous other examples aside from LI that point to the game being rushed,

Of course the higher ups were going to be pushing the devolpers to have action mode and MP ready EA desperately wanted to grab the FPS crowd (namely CoD) and this took away from some of the RPG elements to make sure it was ready,

The fact is this game sorely needed a few more months of development when it was rushed out the door.

Please note this is not me saying "the status quo is fine and dandy" because its not, but this is not a writers pet and screw everyone else issue, there may be a bit of favoritism on whose character arc was prioritized but in terms of the rest its a we ran out of time/are really lazy issue.

Modifié par Ecrulis, 24 mai 2012 - 08:43 .

[Siansonea]

I like Liara because she's an interesting character. I like her backstory, I like her personality, and incidentally, I like her usefulness in combat in all three games. In some ways Liara and the asari are a subversion of the "green space babe" trope, instead of being Orion slave girls seducing Captain Kirk, or Twi'lek slave girls in Jabba the Hutt's throne room, Liara and the asari are the preeminent species in civilized space, and the dominant economic power, respected by most and feared by many. Liara is our introduction to the asari in the first game, we only saw glimpses of Benezia and had brief conversations with the asari councilor before meeting Liara. The exchanges between Liara and Shepard are mostly well-written, and the voice acting is mostly very good.

[CptData]

Examples for time / budget issues as far as I can see (comparing original plot / leaked script vs released game):


- The original plot "Dark Energy" got replaced by "to prevent organics being killed by synthetics my creators created synthetics to kill organics".
Maybe the starchild was part of that Dark Energy plot as well - but tried to explain Shepard why the Reapers got created - to find a way how to stop the Dark Energy threat ...

- Even the new (simplified) plot feels unfinished: plot holes (how did TIM get on board of the Citadel?) and a strange feeling of "not real" give that impression.
The endings themselves don't explain anything and besides of differently colored explosions, the game ends the very same: Normandy screwed, Galaxy screwed ... just details do vary.

- Cut content for ME2 characters
Somehow, only Mordin got a full blown story arc. I'm sure BW had planned something for the rest of the ME2 crew but dropped it last minute. Most of the other characters got just one mission.
Worst of all: lack of romantic content for ME2!LIs.

- Treatment of Vega and Garrus compared against the rest
Those two got a bazillion lines and interactions with Shepard and other crewmembers. Why only those two? Everyone else (except Liara) has less content. And some, 'though part of the crew, got ignored (Ash, Kaidan) entirely.

- Dream sequences with "oily shadows"
It's kinda a well known fact BW intented to add a indoctrination sequence for Shepard. It got removed later since technical issues, but the dreams are left overs of that plot. That fact also is one of the most supporting factor of the indoctrination theory.

- Ashley's romance got cut. Some lines are still included in the game, i.e. a intercom-dialogue between Ash and Tali dealing with that Virmire decision
Other examples of cut / bugged content are:
--> Ashley awkwardly wonders if she can move to his cabin (romanced)
--> Her hair style is mentioned in a dialogue
--> Random lines implying Ash / Shepard spend multiple nights together

- Autodialogue / Two choices only
In ME1 and ME2 I was able to play Shepard the way I wanted: paragon / renegade and a good mix between both extremes. In ME3, paragade or renegon is no longer a valid path. Shepard gets forced into a certain shape. The lack of options is disturbing, the fact Shepard's dialogues are no longer split into different parts where you can decide is frustrating.

- No vehicles, no exploration, ...
Well. Gone is gone, right?
Afaik "Operation Overlord" was a tech demo to show new "open world exploration system". It was possible. And it got removed in ME3.

Yeah. ME3 got cut ... right?

[Ecrulis]

CptData wrote...

Examples for time / budget issues as far as I can see (comparing original plot / leaked script vs released game):


- The original plot "Dark Energy" got replaced by "to prevent organics being killed by synthetics my creators created synthetics to kill organics".
Maybe the starchild was part of that Dark Energy plot as well - but tried to explain Shepard why the Reapers got created - to find a way how to stop the Dark Energy threat ...

- Even the new (simplified) plot feels unfinished: plot holes (how did TIM get on board of the Citadel?) and a strange feeling of "not real" give that impression.
The endings themselves don't explain anything and besides of differently colored explosions, the game ends the very same: Normandy screwed, Galaxy screwed ... just details do vary.

- Cut content for ME2 characters
Somehow, only Mordin got a full blown story arc. I'm sure BW had planned something for the rest of the ME2 crew but dropped it last minute. Most of the other characters got just one mission.
Worst of all: lack of romantic content for ME2!LIs.

- Treatment of Vega and Garrus compared against the rest
Those two got a bazillion lines and interactions with Shepard and other crewmembers. Why only those two? Everyone else (except Liara) has less content. And some, 'though part of the crew, got ignored (Ash, Kaidan) entirely.

- Dream sequences with "oily shadows"
It's kinda a well known fact BW intented to add a indoctrination sequence for Shepard. It got removed later since technical issues, but the dreams are left overs of that plot. That fact also is one of the most supporting factor of the indoctrination theory.

- Ashley's romance got cut. Some lines are still included in the game, i.e. a intercom-dialogue between Ash and Tali dealing with that Virmire decision
Other examples of cut / bugged content are:
--> Ashley awkwardly wonders if she can move to his cabin (romanced)
--> Her hair style is mentioned in a dialogue
--> Random lines implying Ash / Shepard spend multiple nights together

- Autodialogue / Two choices only
In ME1 and ME2 I was able to play Shepard the way I wanted: paragon / renegade and a good mix between both extremes. In ME3, paragade or renegon is no longer a valid path. Shepard gets forced into a certain shape. The lack of options is disturbing, the fact Shepard's dialogues are no longer split into different parts where you can decide is frustrating.

- No vehicles, no exploration, ...
Well. Gone is gone, right?
Afaik "Operation Overlord" was a tech demo to show new "open world exploration system". It was possible. And it got removed in ME3.

Yeah. ME3 got cut ... right?

Yea this right here is why I have a hard time believing in Liara's pet status, theres so much about the game that screams unfinished.

[Apathy1989]

gearseffect wrote...

The budget, and time excuss is BS, because was able to get a MP component and action mode in ME3, and it's something I think all of us ME fans would have been able to go without in ME3, as long as we got what we were told we would and what we were promised.

This is bugging me alot lately.

There is huge rewrites of dialogue thats been rerecorded. Basically dumbing it down further so new players don't feel lost. 

But why?! Why allow gear-tards to find it fun by removing the most important RPG element bioware added to gaming in the last decade? The dialogue wheel got the shaft, and it looks like it was reprioritised for alternative cuts.

Think of all the extra dialogue we would have had if they hadn't bothered re-recording everything for action mode... Bioware execs clearly don't understand their audience if they think shooting is more important to us than talking and roleplaying.

[TheClonesLegacy]

thesnake777 wrote...

..OP isn't there a Liara appreciation thread somewhere that would answer all your questions?

I tried it didn't tell me anything

[Jymm]

I don't find her personality flipping odd, personally. I think she's young and isolated in the first game and so she's all awkward and cute. Then after Shepard dies BW wrote that she went and recovered Shep's body. To justify that she has to go through a huge boost of courage and it would presumably shape who she is. By the time you see her in ME2 its been two very eventful years since ME1. I found her coldness jarring both as a player and in-character. But that's OK in my mind because I felt it showed character growth. Then she's trying to hold it together in LotSB and ME3 but the facade of cold strength starts cracking. I felt she was a very nicely written character who changed and developed through the series.

I did one playthrough with her as LI which was fabulous, and a second where she isn't and she didn't annoy me. Perhaps only the "gift" scene at the end felt overly close given the distance I had established. And I felt a bit robbed because that scene felt so special in the LI version. Other than that one bit, I don't get why people feel she was overdone in ME3. She has very few lines when you visit her on the Normandy and even fewer if you find her on the Citadel. When I wasn't romantically pursuing her she didn't seem intrusive, and when I was pursuing her I found her lack of ambient dialog actively frustrating.

Just one man's opinion, but you asked. I wouldn't even say she's my favorite character, but definitely up there.

[DWH1982]

CptData wrote...


- Ashley's romance got cut. Some lines are still included in the game, i.e. a intercom-dialogue between Ash and Tali dealing with that Virmire decision
Other examples of cut / bugged content are:
--> Ashley awkwardly wonders if she can move to his cabin (romanced)
--> Her hair style is mentioned in a dialogue
--> Random lines implying Ash / Shepard spend multiple nights together

Aww, man.
Why, why was this taken away from me?