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[TheClonesLegacy]

lillitheris wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

 Why do you People Like Liara
I don`t personally, But I want to know why you do, Give me Reasons because I honestly want to understand Why this is.

Read the Liara thread from the start. All your questions are answered there.

Liara likes people who do their own research instead of begging to be spoon-fed.

again I've been on the thread, it didn't tell me anything That made me Understand (Hence the point of the damn thread)

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 25 mai 2012 - 03:07 .

[krukow]

If you never romance her, she's a perfectly fine friend. Especially if you have a multi-game romance. I always romance just character per playthrough (shut up) and she's usually pretty fine with me. Hell, I get to tell her on Mars that Ashley is basically why I'm fighting the reapers. How awesome is a girl friend when you can tell them you're fighting a war for another woman?

super awesome, that's how!

[Tiberis]

CptData wrote...

- Ashley's romance got cut. Some lines are still included in the game, i.e. a intercom-dialogue between Ash and Tali dealing with that Virmire decision
Other examples of cut / bugged content are:
--> Ashley awkwardly wonders if she can move to his cabin (romanced)
--> Her hair style is mentioned in a dialogue
--> Random lines implying Ash / Shepard spend multiple nights together

Interesting. I wonder if there is similar cut dialogue with Kaidan.

[ShallowlLife9871]

[ warning rant]

I’m sorry, Liara fans. But My annoyance with Liara grew with each game.
In ME1 she kept a] Fainting and B] didn’t really add much to the story other than “ I’m Benizza’s daughter.. let me mind rape you.”

In ME2 I wanted the option to tell her off completely about her giving Sheps’s body to Cerberus. But All i get is : “ WTF? ..OK..” and “ meh, let’s go hunt the shadow broker”

With LoTSB the forced friendship banter. While i liked the banter it’s self. I feel as though my shep wouldn’t be cracking jokes with the woman who was so obsessed with her, that instead of honouring her memories, , she hunted for her body and gave it to the a terrorist black opps squad just for a “Chance” that they might fix her. Knowing full well, they planned to use her.

Now ME3: She pissed me off when she got snarky with me about Kaidan. “ that’s a Terrible burden” Yes Liara, My Shep NEVER had feelings for you. She NEVER WANTED TO SEE YOU after you told her you gave her to Cerberus. Then, the fall of thessia. She kept saying how terrible it all is. Constantly reminding me how divesting it all is. Now, Garrus had to watch his world burn. So did Shepard, Kaidan hell depending on your options, Evan Tali can watch ALL her people die. And what do they do? [ aside form Tail] they buckle up and fight. [ yes even “whiny boring” Kaidan puts aside the devastation and fights]

Liara doesn’t. She complains the whole time. And then afterwards...We are forced to comfit her. Never Mind that Shep got his/her ass handed to them. That it’s clear that Shepard is at his/her breaking point by then. Never Mind that Plavaen is almost destroyed... it’s poor little Liara.
And the plot armour... every other chacter has a chance to die. More than once. But yet, not Liara. Despite what i have written, i wouldn’t nessaerly kill her off. but i would at lest like the OPPTION TO just to make it fair.
[Rant over.]

[Wahukeza]

Playing as a straight Femshep, and Liara has never really bothered me. I don't think she got too much extra content in ME3 - I barely ever visited her on the ship but still took her out to nearly every mission. If she did, it was just to make up for her large absence throughout in ME2. Surely that can be understood. Yeah, I'd much prefer more material from ME2 characters than more Liara in ME3, but that's just how it goes. I felt Garrus and Tali were pressed onto the player nearly as much in the third game, and they'd already been squadmates in the second one too. I like them both, and I have nothing against Liara either.

I was a little weirded out by what she did in the goodbyes, though. When she said she was going to give me a gift, I was hoping for a bottle of moonshine instead.

Modifié par Wahukeza, 25 mai 2012 - 04:46 .

[TheClonesLegacy]

ShallowlLife9871 wrote...

[ warning rant]

I’m sorry, Liara fans. But My annoyance with Liara grew with each game.
In ME1 she kept a] Fainting and B] didn’t really add much to the story other than “ I’m Benizza’s daughter.. let me mind rape you.”

In ME2 I wanted the option to tell her off completely about her giving Sheps’s body to Cerberus. But All i get is : “ WTF? ..OK..” and “ meh, let’s go hunt the shadow broker”

With LoTSB the forced friendship banter. While i liked the banter it’s self. I feel as though my shep wouldn’t be cracking jokes with the woman who was so obsessed with her, that instead of honouring her memories, , she hunted for her body and gave it to the a terrorist black opps squad just for a “Chance” that they might fix her. Knowing full well, they planned to use her.

Now ME3: She pissed me off when she got snarky with me about Kaidan. “ that’s a Terrible burden” Yes Liara, My Shep NEVER had feelings for you. She NEVER WANTED TO SEE YOU after you told her you gave her to Cerberus. Then, the fall of thessia. She kept saying how terrible it all is. Constantly reminding me how divesting it all is. Now, Garrus had to watch his world burn. So did Shepard, Kaidan hell depending on your options, Evan Tali can watch ALL her people die. And what do they do? [ aside form Tail] they buckle up and fight. [ yes even “whiny boring” Kaidan puts aside the devastation and fights]

Liara doesn’t. She complains the whole time. And then afterwards...We are forced to comfit her. Never Mind that Shep got his/her ass handed to them. That it’s clear that Shepard is at his/her breaking point by then. Never Mind that Plavaen is almost destroyed... it’s poor little Liara.
And the plot armour... every other chacter has a chance to die. More than once. But yet, not Liara. Despite what i have written, i wouldn’t nessaerly kill her off. but i would at lest like the OPPTION TO just to make it fair.
[Rant over.]

THANK YOU!!!
YOU summed it my feeling Perfectly

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 25 mai 2012 - 04:52 .

[ShallowlLife9871]

@theClonesLegacy .. your welcome.

[Apathy1989]

Tiberis wrote...

CptData wrote...

- Ashley's romance got cut. Some lines are still included in the game, i.e. a intercom-dialogue between Ash and Tali dealing with that Virmire decision
Other examples of cut / bugged content are:
--> Ashley awkwardly wonders if she can move to his cabin (romanced)
--> Her hair style is mentioned in a dialogue
--> Random lines implying Ash / Shepard spend multiple nights together

Interesting. I wonder if there is similar cut dialogue with Kaidan.

Kaiden seems very well fleshed out compard to Ash. I imagine because he is an option for both genders.

[Jake Boone]

CptData wrote...

- Ashley's romance got cut. Some lines are still included in the game, i.e. a intercom-dialogue between Ash and Tali dealing with that Virmire decision
Other examples of cut / bugged content are:
--> Ashley awkwardly wonders if she can move to his cabin (romanced)
--> Her hair style is mentioned in a dialogue
--> Random lines implying Ash / Shepard spend multiple nights together

Not to mention this exchange between Shepard and Ashley. Granted the guy who dug it out of the files makes it look like a romance only thing, but that could have been his/her interpretation. 

[Aurora313]

ShallowlLife9871 wrote...

[ warning rant]

I’m sorry, Liara fans. But My annoyance with Liara grew with each game.
In ME1 she kept a] Fainting and B] didn’t really add much to the story other than “ I’m Benizza’s daughter.. let me mind rape you.”

In ME2 I wanted the option to tell her off completely about her giving Sheps’s body to Cerberus. But All i get is : “ WTF? ..OK..” and “ meh, let’s go hunt the shadow broker”

With LoTSB the forced friendship banter. While i liked the banter it’s self. I feel as though my shep wouldn’t be cracking jokes with the woman who was so obsessed with her, that instead of honouring her memories, , she hunted for her body and gave it to the a terrorist black opps squad just for a “Chance” that they might fix her. Knowing full well, they planned to use her.

Now ME3: She pissed me off when she got snarky with me about Kaidan. “ that’s a Terrible burden” Yes Liara, My Shep NEVER had feelings for you. She NEVER WANTED TO SEE YOU after you told her you gave her to Cerberus. Then, the fall of thessia. She kept saying how terrible it all is. Constantly reminding me how divesting it all is. Now, Garrus had to watch his world burn. So did Shepard, Kaidan hell depending on your options, Evan Tali can watch ALL her people die. And what do they do? [ aside form Tail] they buckle up and fight. [ yes even “whiny boring” Kaidan puts aside the devastation and fights]

Liara doesn’t. She complains the whole time. And then afterwards...We are forced to comfit her. Never Mind that Shep got his/her ass handed to them. That it’s clear that Shepard is at his/her breaking point by then. Never Mind that Plavaen is almost destroyed... it’s poor little Liara.
And the plot armour... every other chacter has a chance to die. More than once. But yet, not Liara. Despite what i have written, i wouldn’t nessaerly kill her off. but i would at lest like the OPPTION TO just to make it fair.
[Rant over.]

My friend, If I knew where you were, I'd seen you a barrel of Guineas. This sums up my feelings EXACTLY. My Shepard does not like Liara, he may have considered befriending her at the very end of 1, but after learning what she did when he was dead, he hated her with a passion.

ME3, she's whining and complaining, SHEPARD's TRYING TO SAVE THE F*CKING GALAXY, he'd dealing with situations that he never. Thessia was the latest and problem greatest string of defeats for Shepard. He's the one that needs the support. Not Liara.

[CptData]

Jake Boone wrote...

CptData wrote...

- Ashley's romance got cut. Some lines are still included in the game, i.e. a intercom-dialogue between Ash and Tali dealing with that Virmire decision
Other examples of cut / bugged content are:
--> Ashley awkwardly wonders if she can move to his cabin (romanced)
--> Her hair style is mentioned in a dialogue
--> Random lines implying Ash / Shepard spend multiple nights together

Not to mention this exchange between Shepard and Ashley. Granted the guy who dug it out of the files makes it look like a romance only thing, but that could have been his/her interpretation. 

Yep. That's one of the dialogues I saw too in the leaks.

The topic "afterlife" got barely scratched on the Cerberus Base.
And actually, for a religious person, Ashley takes it too easily. I must say, if I were here, I would ask out Shepard for more than a night. Hell, I would spend that night philosophing about everything ...

It wasn't shown in the game.

I'm not mad Liara got all the jazz.
I'm mad Ashley (and other interesting characters) got nearly nothing.

[Yoshiyuki Ly]

OP, for someone who is trying to understand something as personal as liking a certain character, you've not displayed much open-mindedness throughout these three pages so far. Saying you want to understand is all fine and dandy, but I don't think you ever will at this rate.

[Karrie788]

ShallowlLife9871 wrote...

[ warning rant]

I’m sorry, Liara fans. But My annoyance with Liara grew with each game.
In ME1 she kept a] Fainting and B] didn’t really add much to the story other than “ I’m Benizza’s daughter.. let me mind rape you.”

In ME2 I wanted the option to tell her off completely about her giving Sheps’s body to Cerberus. But All i get is : “ WTF? ..OK..” and “ meh, let’s go hunt the shadow broker”

With LoTSB the forced friendship banter. While i liked the banter it’s self. I feel as though my shep wouldn’t be cracking jokes with the woman who was so obsessed with her, that instead of honouring her memories, , she hunted for her body and gave it to the a terrorist black opps squad just for a “Chance” that they might fix her. Knowing full well, they planned to use her.

Now ME3: She pissed me off when she got snarky with me about Kaidan. “ that’s a Terrible burden” Yes Liara, My Shep NEVER had feelings for you. She NEVER WANTED TO SEE YOU after you told her you gave her to Cerberus. Then, the fall of thessia. She kept saying how terrible it all is. Constantly reminding me how divesting it all is. Now, Garrus had to watch his world burn. So did Shepard, Kaidan hell depending on your options, Evan Tali can watch ALL her people die. And what do they do? [ aside form Tail] they buckle up and fight. [ yes even “whiny boring” Kaidan puts aside the devastation and fights]

Liara doesn’t. She complains the whole time. And then afterwards...We are forced to comfit her. Never Mind that Shep got his/her ass handed to them. That it’s clear that Shepard is at his/her breaking point by then. Never Mind that Plavaen is almost destroyed... it’s poor little Liara.
And the plot armour... every other chacter has a chance to die. More than once. But yet, not Liara. Despite what i have written, i wouldn’t nessaerly kill her off. but i would at lest like the OPPTION TO just to make it fair.
[Rant over.]

... well there you go, I have nothing to add.

[Tiberis]

Apathy1989 wrote...

Tiberis wrote...

CptData wrote...

- Ashley's romance got cut. Some lines are still included in the game, i.e. a intercom-dialogue between Ash and Tali dealing with that Virmire decision
Other examples of cut / bugged content are:
--> Ashley awkwardly wonders if she can move to his cabin (romanced)
--> Her hair style is mentioned in a dialogue
--> Random lines implying Ash / Shepard spend multiple nights together

Interesting. I wonder if there is similar cut dialogue with Kaidan.

Kaiden seems very well fleshed out compard to Ash. I imagine because he is an option for both genders.

I haven't played with Ash yet, so I can't judge. I know of some dialogue cut for him, including a part where he would tell Shepard he loved him (don't know why that was cut). I think Liara says "I love you" at some point, maybe several? Regardless, both VS not as fleshed out as Liara; call me greedy. <_<

[Shajar]

CptData wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Ok to be fair I haven't seen genesis, but on the other hand, macs favorite or not I have a hard time believing the other romances were swept aside purely out of favoritism, it could very well be that they decided to do Liara's scenes then ran out of time and had to throw things together, even her scenes seem rushed.

Highly depends on your interpretation.

Let's say we have this situation:

- BW claimed they started to write and include romance plots Oct/Nov 2011. I think it was that time, don't hit me if I'm wrong.
In that case they had less than 3 months left to include those romances.

- Liara's romance was done at that time already.
I assume the Devs needed a prototype romance and since Liara's plot was already written, they used her.

- Some portions of Liara's plot were meant to be "romance only".
For example the "time capsule scene" feels too romantic to be a friendship scene. However, it is played for ALL players. Maybe BW decided last minute to make them available to everyone? Why should they? Maybe, because ...

- ... they ran out of time to include similar scenes for other LIs.
Which is highly plausible since they started to include the romances near end of development.


I'd say, Liara got more content since her story was written first. After all, she's the only character of the past two games guaranteed to be part of the crew, next to Shepard.

Just some guesses, but I'm sure I'm close enough to the truth.

Those are some good ideas. Makes sence, not in happy way ofc <_<
Feels like we are spending more time with Liara than with our LI. Should be fixed with EC, too bad i dont think its never gonna be fixed

[N7_Sniper91]

De-lurking to say a-FRICKIN-men!

ME3's problems stem from more than just the crappying ending(s), they stem from the fact that too much preference are given to certain characters(Liara, Garrus, Vega, even frickin Javik!), not nearly enough on others
(Ashley/Kaidan. ME2 characters aside from Mordin) and that they tried to appeal to more those single-minded "point-n-shooters" than they did to those who love a good story with a decent amount of action on the side.

This all started during ME2, I could tell back then that by the way planet exploration and unique dialogue was reduced to almost nothing, that chances are ME3's story/dialogue/interaction would be cut to hell for the sake of "attracting a wider audience"(Why the flipping hell you would try that at the end of the damn series, I have no idea.) AKA; COD, GOW fans.

Seriously, adding all that up and more, BW/EA REALLY dropped the ball.

Could they fix it? Yes.

Will they? No. They're more concerned with stupid MP Maps/Weapons and "Operations", than they are with having what couldve- what SHOULDVE, been one the best RPG series.

So much potential, all gone....

[TheClonesLegacy]

Yoshiyuki Ly wrote...

OP, for someone who is trying to understand something as personal as liking a certain character, you've not displayed much open-mindedness throughout these three pages so far. Saying you want to understand is all fine and dandy, but I don't think you ever will at this rate.

mostly I'm responding too the more ruder people going "DURRR go to the Liara Aprreciation thread DUURR" which I have and it was just 1544 pages of "Oh I love liara, I can't imagine Romancing anyone else TEEHEE"
but Fair point I suppose.

[lillitheris]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Yoshiyuki Ly wrote...

OP, for someone who is trying to understand something as personal as liking a certain character, you've not displayed much open-mindedness throughout these three pages so far. Saying you want to understand is all fine and dandy, but I don't think you ever will at this rate.

mostly I'm responding too the more ruder people going "DURRR go to the Liara Aprreciation thread DUURR" which I have and it was just 1544 pages of "Oh I love liara, I can't imagine Romancing anyone else TEEHEE"
but Fair point I suppose.

The reasons why people like Liara are stated there numerous times. In fact, just reading the last 50 pages would probably give you a very good overview of the situation. If you don’t agree, or don’t like her, that’s fine.

As such, this thread comes off as Yet Another Silly Liara-Bashing Crab Barrel filled by people trying to tear Liara down rather than working to get their LI the storyline they all deserve. I’d be happy to help with that, but for the bashing you’re on your own.

Modifié par lillitheris, 25 mai 2012 - 03:26 .

[BobZilla84]

My major issue in regards to Liara is that Bioware must have figured all of us wanted to go Kirk and Bang a Blue chick or something.
Now don't get me wrong I like Liara as a Friend and Squadmate but I would take Ashley,Miranda & Jack over her anyday.

I hope that they can fix the rest of the Romance's either with DLC or Patches because at the moment none beside Liara and Team Dextro are pretty good.

[lillitheris]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

My major issue in regards to Liara is that Bioware must have figured all of us wanted to go Kirk and Bang a Blue chick or something.

They didn’t figure anything, that’s the point.

The entire game was rushed out at least 3-6 months before it was anywhere near ready. As a result, we get tons of kind of very disappointing romances (even Liara and Tali’s have significant problems even though they’re much better off than the others), terrible endings, and all-round lack of polish.

[BobZilla84]

I know that this game was rushed I agree with that I have said on a couple other threads that this game needed another 6 months of developing and polishing and it could have reached it true potental but instead what did we get a incomplete game.

I am seriously on the fence in regarding anything that Bioware does now because I for one couldn't care less about the Multiplayer Mode and the Action mode they don't belong in this game period Mass Effect is a Single Player Shooter/RPG Hybrid not an Multiplayer game like Call of Duty and on that note if I ever want to play a Multiplayer Shooter I will play Call of Duty not Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par BobZilla 2k10, 25 mai 2012 - 04:29 .

[MrStoob]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

I know that this game was rushed I agree with that I have said on a couple other threads that this game needed another 6 months of developing and polishing and it could have reached it true potental but instead what did we get a incomplete game.

I am seriously on the fence in regarding anything that Bioware does now because I for one couldn't care less about the Multiplayer Mode and the Action mode they don't belong in this game period Mass Effect is a Single Player Shooter/RPG Hybrid not an Multiplayer game like Call of Duty and on that note if I ever want to play a Multiplayer Shooter I will play Call of Duty not Mass Effect 3.

If anything highlighted the 'rushed' aspect it was things like the cuts and fades.  They were bloody awful.  'Fade to black' was fade to grey with static characters standing there like statues, fading dialogue for no reason meaning missed content, sound cuts to 'studio silence' as it's known, the list goes on.
I wouldn't personally say such things RUINED the game, but they did grate at times.

[MidnightRaith]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Yoshiyuki Ly wrote...

OP, for someone who is trying to understand something as personal as liking a certain character, you've not displayed much open-mindedness throughout these three pages so far. Saying you want to understand is all fine and dandy, but I don't think you ever will at this rate.

mostly I'm responding too the more ruder people going "DURRR go to the Liara Aprreciation thread DUURR" which I have and it was just 1544 pages of "Oh I love liara, I can't imagine Romancing anyone else TEEHEE"
but Fair point I suppose.

If that's the only discussion you think goes on in there, then I say that you didn't even try to read it at all. Especially the more recent pages. Seriously, not being rude or anything, but you'd really be better just lurking there if you want to see why people like Liara. After all, here, you are largely attracting people that are pretty much agreeing with YOU. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of your OP?

[MrStoob]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Lets go over the options.

I play as femshep because i can't stand mark meers voice, thats the first hurdle.
I'm male so i don't bother with the male romance options. (jacob?thane? ha.)
Kaiden is dead, Ashley owns all of my hate.
Garrus is off the table because he's my bromosexual.
Treynor wasn't in the other games, Chambers left.
Samara has a no-mance. Morinth is a death sentence.
Jack, kasumi, Zaeed, Grunt, Wrex, Legion, Javik, Mordin and Miranda aren't interested.
Tali isn't allowed.

Why do i like Liara? because i have to.

lol, didn't see this one earlier.  Yea, femshep FTW for exactly the same reason.  But c'mon, it's not like it's Liara's the wooden spoon 

[TheClonesLegacy]

MrStoob wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Lets go over the options.

I play as femshep because i can't stand mark meers voice, thats the first hurdle.
I'm male so i don't bother with the male romance options. (jacob?thane? ha.)
Kaiden is dead, Ashley owns all of my hate.
Garrus is off the table because he's my bromosexual.
Treynor wasn't in the other games, Chambers left.
Samara has a no-mance. Morinth is a death sentence.
Jack, kasumi, Zaeed, Grunt, Wrex, Legion, Javik, Mordin and Miranda aren't interested.
Tali isn't allowed.

Why do i like Liara? because i have to.

lol, didn't see this one earlier.  Yea, femshep FTW for exactly the same reason.  But c'mon, it's not like it's Liara's the wooden spoon 

Dear god Will my terrible thread never die?
Also Mark Meer did a good job, your all Haters.