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[Ozzyfan223]

is haunted by a death of one, single child? I know he's supposed to "represent" all those he couldn't save on earth, but still, he's haunted by only one death, a child's death.

Now Shepard has fought many battles, and I bet he's lost many in such battles, not even including the one's we've played. War has gruesome deaths, and Shepard has probably seen a lot of his close friends die in front of him. Hell, look at the collector base deaths, like Kelly and such.

But seeing a ship blow up with this kid inside is haunting him? I would understand earth making him uneasy, but he doesn't dream of all those who died on earth, only the kid. The dreams would've been much more understandable if he dreamt he was on earth and saw people dying around him, or if Anderson was the one who died.

It pisses me off.

[XJ347]

It was forced and felt out of place.

[Cypher_CS]

Have you actually been in a real combat situation? Ever?

Yes, it's the children that haunt you more than most.

And he actually talked to that Kid, right before.
He wanted to help him, but he couldn't (cause the kid ran away). He failed to help a helpless.
Grown ups are not considered helpless. Children are.

You know what?
Scratch that first question.
Are you a father?

[MisterJB]

Like you said, the child is a representation of all those he failed to protect, not just on Earth but throughout all games.
Yes, it's about as subtle as a brick to the face. Personally, I didn't have a problem with it but I can see why others do.

[elitesalt]

the second dumbest thing about me3 is shep's obsession with that little brat

[H4nniba11]

Indoctrination.

[The Invisible Commando]

Cypher_CS wrote...

Have you actually been in a real combat situation? Ever?

Yes, it's the children that haunt you more than most.

And he actually talked to that Kid, right before.
He wanted to help him, but he couldn't (cause the kid ran away). He failed to help a helpless.
Grown ups are not considered helpless. Children are.

You know what?
Scratch that first question.
Are you a father?

Makes good for Paragon Shepards, but not so much for murderous Renegades.

[elitesalt]

H4nniba11 wrote...

Indoctrination.

terrible, manipulative, sacchirine writing.

[TheDonk95]

My Shepard still has some memories about losing his squad in Akuze...

[MisterJB]

Cypher_CS wrote...

Have you actually been in a real combat situation? Ever?

Yes, it's the children that haunt you more than most.

And he actually talked to that Kid, right before.
He wanted to help him, but he couldn't (cause the kid ran away). He failed to help a helpless.
Grown ups are not considered helpless. Children are.

You know what?
Scratch that first question.
Are you a father?

I agree. Personally, I actually cheered when Shepard finally hugged the child.

But not all people are the same just like not all Shepards are the same. Some would be affected, others wouldn't so it's no wonder people didn't like being forced into those dreams, especially when running in slow motion is an exercise in patience.

[Saints_]

The kid wasn't even real.

[tekkaman fear]

The slo mo running is very annoying. Bad enough the dream sequence felt ripped right out of Terminator 2. But the slow running killed it.


Also my Shep was the Butcher of Torfan. She undoubtedly witnessed many kids dead, dying, or un a bad way. And what did Shep do? She wiped out every Batarian on the planet. Not dream about some juvenile deliquent. 

Modifié par tekkaman fear, 24 mai 2012 - 07:05 .

[xsdob]

What about the voices in the dream? Mordin saying it had to be him, legion asking if he had a soul, thane's last words to you with the prayer, and even more so just the ambient dialouge they say to you before they die, all of them, the virmire survivor, samara, grunt, even zaeed.

There's a lot more haunting shepard than just the kid, it's just that the kid is what we see.

[Had-to-say]

At first I thought Shepard went crazy because of Arrival and imagined the kid. Now I don't know what to think. I don't think emotionally healthy people can kill 300,000 and keep it together. As a player I never got over Arrival, and regretted the decision.

[tekkaman fear]

Would have had a bigger impact if Metal Gear 3 hadn't done it better years before. When Snake had to walk the river of souls place.

[TJX2045]

Death of an adult =/= Death of a child.

elitesalt wrote...

H4nniba11 wrote...

Indoctrination.

terrible, manipulative, sacchirine writing.

Really?  I actually thought it was pretty legitmate.  It's a CHILD!  They have so much to live for and they also have innocence before being corrupted.  To see that innocence taken away is one thing; to see that taken away and then have them die or get killed is another.

Man, people must hate children these days.

Modifié par TJX2045, 24 mai 2012 - 07:12 .

[Der Bibliothekar]

The Point is: The Kid didn't haunt me.
And as the player "is" Shepard, it should be up to them to decide how to cope with it.

[avenging_teabag]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Cypher_CS wrote...

Have you actually been in a real combat situation? Ever?

Yes, it's the children that haunt you more than most.

And he actually talked to that Kid, right before.
He wanted to help him, but he couldn't (cause the kid ran away). He failed to help a helpless.
Grown ups are not considered helpless. Children are.

You know what?
Scratch that first question.
Are you a father?

Makes good for Paragon Shepards, but not so much for murderous Renegades.

Renegade Shepard is still human, and humans are genetically programmed to protect children. Plus, I always thought that kid per se wasn't significant, he just became the focus of all that Shep had to sacrifice and lose. It was maybe heavy handed, but not improbable. Everyone has a breaking point, and that kid was Shepard's. Straw, camel's back and all that.

Modifié par avenging_teabag, 24 mai 2012 - 07:27 .

[Verkir]

Honestly what should have happened is the intro mission should have been the trial interrupted by the reaper attack (you don't even have to write the trial, just have it starting then cut off) queue action that leads you to a situation where you have to defend the transport or some such and by a series of events no matter what you do the kid and many others die. You could show all the faces on the shuttle for example but focus on the kid, the innocence. It would certainly help if the other adults on the shuttle had some lines and personality too.


Just saying, that would have gotten a lot more people to give a damn.


Because if i was in shepards place trying to get the kid out of the vent I would tell him to follow and when he refused I would have torn him right out of the vent. Sure the kid might **** and complain but children are not mature enough (most of them) to handle such incredible stress of earth being destroyed around them. You need to use force in Shepard's situation.

[avenging_teabag]

Der Bibliothekar wrote...

The Point is: The Kid didn't haunt me.
And as the player "is" Shepard, it should be up to them to decide how to cope with it.

Could you decide to agree with Saren in the end of ME1? Could you in ME2 decide that Jack was too much trouble and throw her off the Normandy? Could you decide to flip a bird to the Illusive Man the minute the SR2 left the dock? No, you could not. You have some limited choice in some matters, but it's still the writers' job to decide where the story is going.

[MisterJB]

I partially agree with Verkir. It might have been better if the child's death has been a direct consequence of Shepard's actions. Make it truly his failure to protect him.
Or people would just complain about failing through cutscene like what already happens with Kai Leng.

[RuthlessGravity]

Remember when Maverick was disturbed by Goose's death? And that wasn't even in combat!

[Village_Idiot]

To interpret Shepard as being haunted by the death of a single child is a mistake. I see the Ventkid as being more symbolic of all those Shepard has lost, not to mention the burden of being responsible for all the lives in the galaxy (no pressure there Shep).

Shepard may be the biggest goddamn hero in existence, but he/she is only human, and hence is not some kind of emotional void. Considering all Shep has been through, and the things at stake when ME3 comes around, I'm not surprised Bioware decided to portray the cracks beginning to show.

[Elyiia]

I could be wrong, but seeing the kid die would be the first time Shepard had actually seen a child die right?

[MisterJB]

Elyiia wrote...

I could be wrong, but seeing the kid die would be the first time Shepard had actually seen a child die right?

That we know of. But, then again, there is Colonist Shepard.